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Theories on Evolution
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Posted 1/29/07
I don't mean your ignorance, i'm confused on some parts of evolution too, its just that pointing to links with written arguments is useless - no one reads it, and good vid links are hard to come by.
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well not exactly. I mean people who are spending time on arguing in a forum, clearly have a good amount of time to review these links. It would be smarter to do this so they progress in this somewhat difficult, and contriversal subject. But then again i`m refering to a person that is not arrogant hypothetically speaking. I see what you mean now about the natural arrogance for greater knowledge.
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Well, alright, I'll be on the lookout for some good vids and try to post em here when I can. But I can't really find any good overview lectures on evolution, just a bunch of long audio links.
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rawrrusuck wrote:

We watched an hour long video in class that mentioned that almost all embreyos(sp?) start off with an idenical form and go through a sorta "evolution" and as they start to get bigger they change.

This was a theory that was presented over a century ago and is completely false. The similarities are purely based on the fact that we evolved as four limbed vertebrates with roughly the same structure of internal organs. At the early stages of development one of the first things to grow is the spine and nervous system so naturally nearly all vertebrates look similar because they all have a bulge at the top of their spine, a body housing organs, and the nerve structures required for the four limbs. Its only when the exact forms of the limbs or the quality of the skin emerges that we can start to see differences. Bone structure is of course the biggest defining feature because it determines the body shape, but a skull, spine, four limbs and a rib cage are defining features of most vertebrates so it all looks the same for a long time.

Having said that its possible to tell what a creature is from an early embryo if you actually have the right knowledge, which is why the theory never lasted long.



Personally the issue of evolution is closed. No evidence has been provided against it and no evidence backs up the claims of alternate theories. The really big issue is the creation of our universe.
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u r wrong to say that most vertebrates starts by looking the same by haveing a skull rib cage and four limbs because most vertebrates and not related to mammals and are mostly arthropods such as bettles but what u said is pretty much true about mammals but not ALL vertebrates
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I dont believe it...
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krnsoldierofGod wrote:

I dont believe it...


Hows come?
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fuzzmaster wrote:


krnsoldierofGod wrote:

I dont believe it...


Hows come?


Obviously shall never be answered. Fuzz, you MINOR.. the minor of the minors... *crosses hands over chest* "BUHAHAHAHAHA"
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Minor? how am I minor?
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fuzzmaster wrote:

Minor? how am I minor?


was that a racist comment? i say get the spears and lighted torches!
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fuzzmaster wrote:

Minor? how am I minor?


Maybe he meant minority.

(You mods are slightly outnumbered)
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rawrrusuck wrote:

So I was in the middle in science class and half asleep. We were getting into the topic of evolution and all of a sudden this kid shouts, "Evolution doesn't exist, God made man!" So then everyone gets into this huge agreement on evolution. Basically I got really pissed off and told them that obviously we evolved from monkies a long time ago and they asked we why would there still be monkies if their suppose to evolved..

So anyways.. WTF theres no agreeing with evolution -_--' right? Great i feel like a returd.



Personally, I think God made man but not instantly rather in gradual steps, in which us beings are perfected to have a higher level of thinking.
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its all on everyones opinions i believe that we are here from evolution but that evolution is caused by a greater power other than science do too if things were just slightly diffrent such as temperature climate etc we would be completely diffrent so im kinda in the middle of there being a god and evolution


But we have things like cars and AC. if we didn't have technogly then there probably wouldn't be so many fat people and we'd look different. In like 1000 years their going to find a way to have super way to lose weight.


what do cars and air conditioneers have to do with evolution thats just scientific breakthrough and i dont think we would look any diffrent without than and if you read it more clearly it says i believe in the scientist statements but that there was some power in creating it
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Posted 1/29/07

sypris wrote:


rawrrusuck wrote:


sypris wrote:

its all on everyones opinions i believe that we are here from evolution but that evolution is caused by a greater power other than science do too if things were just slightly diffrent such as temperature climate etc we would be completely diffrent so im kinda in the middle of there being a god and evolution


But we have things like cars and AC. if we didn't have technogly then there probably wouldn't be so many fat people and we'd look different. In like 1000 years their going to find a way to have super way to lose weight.


what do cars and air conditioneers have to do with evolution thats just scientific breakthrough and i dont think we would look any diffrent without than and if you read it more clearly it says i believe in the scientist statements but that there was some power in creating it


Was that all one sentance?!

Rawffles!
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My goodness...touchy subjects do not always have to devolve in to making fun of one another. I prefer to discuss the idea at hand, not some one's apparent lack of grammar skills. We are all of common interest and friends here (one would hope), and obviously enjoy talking about theories that have interested philosophers and bullsh**ters over the years.

As far as the theories of evolution I will stick with what I suppose could be called the happy median approach that my Anatomy/Physiology teacher believed in, who was also in fact a devout Christian and avid scientist. She said that the more she learned about science and the human body, the more it strengthened her faith and her belief in science and evolution. Nature has ways to balance itself, correct? Such as the weather, and the three states of matter as it relates to water. Water, does not in fact stay water all of the time. It becomes a solid, and also a gas, which then returns to it's liquid state. If water can change, and balance itself on it's own, why can't living, breathing creatures do the same? Or looking at the flip side how could these things happen unless some infinitely wise and omnipresent being was there to look over the whole darn mess? And let's beat that old quote to death "I think, therefore I am". But who had the first thought? Who or what actually was conscious enough to be aware of it's own existence rather than just existing?

And as far as the universe is concerned, is anyone well versed on string theory? I have just started to read a book about it but I am not sure how it ties into the old chestnut about evolution.

Feel free to hen peck away at what I said, but no mud slinging, I might cry if you hurt my feelings...
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