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Posted 5/12/08 , edited 5/14/08
So I was browsing on http://www.mangaupdates.com to see if anything new had been released and an announcement had caught my attention. I researched a bit and this was what I found.


BinkTopia/Mangashare's claim:


BleachExile's owner responce:

BinkTopia/Mangashare's reply:




So from what I understand a manga-scanlating group and a site that distributes their work got onto bad terms with each other. Apparently the site distributing the work was requested to stop for some reason and later they ended up refusing and then went deleting all the credit pages, like stealing the scanlator's work.


I was kinda shocked by it and was wondering what your views were..
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Ehh im not gonna read through the forums, but just from your little synapse, BleachExile is pretty screwed up. Anyone think BinkTopia could file a copyright suit against BleachExile? Or does copyrights not apply for translations.
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Posted 5/13/08 , edited 5/13/08
Yeah good luck filing a copyright suit over work that any court would consider to be pirated to begin with.
This was like when db cried over crunchyroll hosting bleach, they got nothing.

One could argue that since the translations are done by said company, that the translations are in fact theirs, but they are unlawfully distributing a copy of the manga to begin with, since it isn't theirs. The case would never see any legal action.

I like how the translation people seem to think they own the manga because they translated it, it does not work that way, if any thing they're breaching copyright by translating it (copying and altering an original work), let alone distributing it online once doing so.
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BinkTopia just wants credit for their work, I don't think they have ever said they owned their scans or anything. Hell, they even distribute their cleaned scans to help other groups translate and improve their work.

Binktopia was kinda foolish to request claim that Mangashare was their only distributer, but it does make sense to some extend. Mangashare and Binktopia are partners and it would make sense to wish that Mangashare would have more traffic and become more popular. I feel BleachExile's owner was being an ass to refuse to remove their releases. He could simply link the downloads to Mangashare. It isn't like they are going to lose face for redirecting to a different site to download. A second request was reasonable in my opinion, but BleachExile simply refused and went as far as to delete all the credit pages. That was what really got me, in a sense they are stealing their work. Even if Binktopia's releases were meant to be distributed, due to the popularity of BleachExile, more people support/visit/donate to them instead of the real makers.

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Posted 5/13/08

riavan wrote:

Yeah good luck filing a copyright suit over work that any court would consider to be pirated to begin with.
This was like when db cried over crunchyroll hosting bleach, they got nothing.

One could argue that since the translations are done by said company, that the translations are in fact theirs, but they are unlawfully distributing a copy of the manga to begin with, since it isn't theirs. The case would never see any legal action.

I like how the translation people seem to think they own the manga because they translated it, it does not work that way, if any thing they're breaching copyright by translating it (copying and altering an original work), let alone distributing it online once doing so.


Well, they make you pay $$ don't they?
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BinkTopia just wants credit for their work, I don't think they have ever said they owned their scans or anything. Hell, they even distribute their cleaned scans to help other groups translate and improve their work.

Binktopia was kinda foolish to request claim that Mangashare was their only distributer, but it does make sense to some extend. Mangashare and Binktopia are partners and it would make sense to wish that Mangashare would have more traffic and become more popular. I feel BleachExile's owner was being an ass to refuse to remove their releases. He could simply link the downloads to Mangashare. It isn't like they are going to lose face for redirecting to a different site to download. A second request was reasonable in my opinion, but BleachExile simply refused and went as far as to delete all the credit pages. That was what really got me, in a sense they are stealing their work. Even if Binktopia's releases were meant to be distributed, due to the popularity of BleachExile, more people support/visit/donate to them instead of the real makers.



Yeah, they're being unfair, but Binktopia has no legal right to request credit.

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If BinkTopia is so ticked off by them, why don't they just do a DoS attack on BleachExile? Or why don't they just give up because they don't have any legal rights to add the credits page at the end of each scanslation?
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pyromaniachaos777 wrote:

If BinkTopia is so ticked off by them, why don't they just do a DoS attack on BleachExile? Or why don't they just give up because they don't have any legal rights to add the credits page at the end of each scanslation?


not everyone can DoS attack.... get that thorugh your head....
and i understand why there pist, i hate it when people do things like that...
i only take credits or stuff off like that when its personal use only, id never
distribute it without credits, so i believe bleachexile is being a bunch of
poopies!
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pyromaniachaos777 wrote:

If BinkTopia is so ticked off by them, why don't they just do a DoS attack on BleachExile? Or why don't they just give up because they don't have any legal rights to add the credits page at the end of each scanslation?


They should (not legally) be credited. They did the translation and much more than that. I'm not saying this is huge lawsuit material, but BleachExile owners are fucking dumb asses playing little kiddies game "Liek omg I no credit u no more!"
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Posted 5/13/08

riavan wrote:


Enternalfir3 wrote:

BinkTopia just wants credit for their work, I don't think they have ever said they owned their scans or anything. Hell, they even distribute their cleaned scans to help other groups translate and improve their work.

Binktopia was kinda foolish to request claim that Mangashare was their only distributer, but it does make sense to some extend. Mangashare and Binktopia are partners and it would make sense to wish that Mangashare would have more traffic and become more popular. I feel BleachExile's owner was being an ass to refuse to remove their releases. He could simply link the downloads to Mangashare. It isn't like they are going to lose face for redirecting to a different site to download. A second request was reasonable in my opinion, but BleachExile simply refused and went as far as to delete all the credit pages. That was what really got me, in a sense they are stealing their work. Even if Binktopia's releases were meant to be distributed, due to the popularity of BleachExile, more people support/visit/donate to them instead of the real makers.



Yeah, they're being unfair, but Binktopia has no legal right to request credit.


I was never talking about legal stuff.. I was just explaining.

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Posted 5/13/08 , edited 5/13/08

orcaazuresea wrote:


pyromaniachaos777 wrote:

If BinkTopia is so ticked off by them, why don't they just do a DoS attack on BleachExile? Or why don't they just give up because they don't have any legal rights to add the credits page at the end of each scanslation?


not everyone can DoS attack.... get that thorugh your head....
and i understand why there pist, i hate it when people do things like that...
i only take credits or stuff off like that when its personal use only, id never
distribute it without credits, so i believe bleachexile is being a bunch of
poopies!


and because DoS attack's are illegal and easily traceable :)

But yeah, they should give them credit, but I don't like it when scan/translation groups go around acting like they own the content and should be able to choose who receives it and who doesn't.
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Posted 5/13/08

riavan wrote:


orcaazuresea wrote:


pyromaniachaos777 wrote:

If BinkTopia is so ticked off by them, why don't they just do a DoS attack on BleachExile? Or why don't they just give up because they don't have any legal rights to add the credits page at the end of each scanslation?


not everyone can DoS attack.... get that thorugh your head....
and i understand why there pist, i hate it when people do things like that...
i only take credits or stuff off like that when its personal use only, id never
distribute it without credits, so i believe bleachexile is being a bunch of
poopies!


and because DoS attack's are illegal and easily traceable :)

But yeah, they should give them credit, but I don't like it when scan/translation groups go around acting like they own the content and should be able to choose who receives it and who doesn't.


DoS attacks are ilegal? wtf are they ilegal?... there awesome.... though my friend he could do a come thing like a DoS atack that was a bit harder to trace, but not as mean.
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Posted 5/14/08
Drama, Drama, Drama. People just need to get over it. Most people don't even read to the Credit page anyway.
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I think Binktopias claim is rational. I mean, after all that hard work, someone goes in and deletes the credits page. Besides, even if theyre asking for donations, you dont have to give it to them. Not so sure about the Mangashare thing though...
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watermark every single page ...a 10% opaque of the binktopia logo and website url
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