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Posted 6/17/08

Nayru wrote:

Im surprised I havent seen a thread on this yet, and im not really interested on your incorrect and totally retarded veiws, but i know many people have some kind of opinion on this subject.

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in my opinion communism will never work because its impossible to create a classless society. All the attempts at communism has failed. North Korea might call themselves communism but its more like dictatorship
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it all depends on those who govern and those who are governed really
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Posted 6/17/08

krnsoldierofGod wrote:


Nayru wrote:

Im surprised I havent seen a thread on this yet, and im not really interested on your incorrect and totally retarded veiws, but i know many people have some kind of opinion on this subject.

Time for extended discussion.

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in my opinion communism will never work because its impossible to create a classless society. All the attempts at communism has failed. North Korea might call themselves communism but its more like dictatorship


especially because 'dear leader'and his cronies live in luxury while millions die of starvation.
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MEMPHADON wrote:

so far, history has shown time and again that communism and anarchy do not work.

the only successful anarchist state in history was the city of paris in 1848-1849, but it was crushed within a year so no one knows how long it could have lasted.

and we all know what happened to the communist countries right?


Yep!

Half of my relatives from Poland was under both Socialist/Nazism and Communism. From what I heard from grandma, before she died, that a few of them got murder under Communism rule. My great Polish Aunt (also a Holocaust survivor) was a doctor and scientist, she under a lot of pressure through half of her life so she wont get killed by the communist government. That is why my relative later joined Solidarnosc (Free-economics, human-rights and non-communist trade union in Poland in 1980's)



thats a pretty impressive family history.

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Posted 11/25/08
idk what the heck is anarchy lol

but im a fan of communism hehe all i know is communism fight for everyones right to make everybody equal
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bigcheese96 wrote:

Where there is communism, there are lazy people.

I don't mean all people, but in a society where everyone is economically "equal," no one honestly has a reason to try to succeed because they won't climb any higher.


Where there is capitalism, there are lazy people
I don't mean all people. but in a society where very few control most of the resources, no one is honestly capable of achieving that level of material success, and thus won't try to climb any higher.

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Posted 11/26/08
the idea of communism is great..

communism is a political ideology..

it is said that it is the "perfect" system for country.

why?

here's the logic. Before becoming a communist country, one should be a socialist country first. When socialism has reached its peak then communism will come in. Karl Marx's idea is to create a perfect community wherein people will live in harmony and peace. In a communist country, there is no government. Why? because Karl Marx believe that the government is created to put restrictions and help to have peace in a country, but when your a communist country people are already at peace so the government is not needed. The people are at peace because the people are given what they want and not they're need. A communist country should be a very rich country..


there is no communist country yet. a real communism is hard to achieve.

so those country who claims they are communist is not really communist when you based it on Karl Marx's idea..
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Posted 12/4/08

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bigcheese96 wrote:

Where there is communism, there are lazy people.

I don't mean all people, but in a society where everyone is economically "equal," no one honestly has a reason to try to succeed because they won't climb any higher.


Where there is capitalism, there are lazy people
I don't mean all people. but in a society where very few control most of the resources, no one is honestly capable of achieving that level of material success, and thus won't try to climb any higher.



What you said just described COMMUNISM. No one gets success because everybody gets paid the SAME THING. Where there is capitalism, however, people get opportunities. People just have to work hard to get it. Look at Bill Gates. He worked hard on starting his business and gets paid like millions of dollars per hour as a reward. Others can achieve this success too. They just can't be bums.
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Theres nothing wrong with socialism, is that people wrongly use it.
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Communism and Anarchy are nothing alike. Communism is complete control and Anarchy is tota loss of control.

Anyways, Communism is a pretty crappy idea. The government chooses what is best, forces every aspect of life, and tends to be very corrupt. Also, it just doesn't work. A free economy allows the market to evolve and improve, the best wins and the worst loses, but Communism just picks what is thought to be right.

Anarchy is a pretty crappy idea too. Since we are modern Humans, we are supposed to live in large scale social structures, not run and around and bang sticks. We need society to improve ourselves and one day get off this tiny doomed rock.
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bigcheese96 wrote:


FlavorAmazing wrote:


bigcheese96 wrote:

Where there is communism, there are lazy people.

I don't mean all people, but in a society where everyone is economically "equal," no one honestly has a reason to try to succeed because they won't climb any higher.


Where there is capitalism, there are lazy people
I don't mean all people. but in a society where very few control most of the resources, no one is honestly capable of achieving that level of material success, and thus won't try to climb any higher.



What you said just described COMMUNISM. No one gets success because everybody gets paid the SAME THING. Where there is capitalism, however, people get opportunities. People just have to work hard to get it. Look at Bill Gates. He worked hard on starting his business and gets paid like millions of dollars per hour as a reward. Others can achieve this success too. They just can't be bums.


Well, lets see you make millions of dollars in software, you can't because rich people control the market. Its not a matter of "hard work". Notice how there are a lot more poor people than rich people? Its not because 90 percent of people have no ambition or desire for better standards of living, but rather high paying opportunities are scarce. Obviously people working 2 or 3 minimum wage jobs are working very hard, is their reward going to be millions of dollars? No. No company makes money by paying their employees lots of money. You can work your entire life and lose your retirement in the stock markets, then you'll be a bum, despite working hard compared to some guy like bill gates you got rich young by cornering a market.
Also, you equated "success" with pay, you probably don't even notice how much an ideological statement that is.
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Hibikomo wrote:

Communism and Anarchy are nothing alike. Communism is complete control and Anarchy is tota loss of control.

Anyways, Communism is a pretty crappy idea. The government chooses what is best, forces every aspect of life, and tends to be very corrupt. Also, it just doesn't work. A free economy allows the market to evolve and improve, the best wins and the worst loses, but Communism just picks what is thought to be right.

Anarchy is a pretty crappy idea too. Since we are modern Humans, we are supposed to live in large scale social structures, not run and around and bang sticks. We need society to improve ourselves and one day get off this tiny doomed rock.


I think you are confusing communism with fascism and anarchy with the destruction of civilization. Communism is supposed to be an egalitarian, classless society, anarchy is society without government. These two don't necessarily contradict each other.

Also, who told you humans are supposed to live in large scale social structures? What makes you think driving twenty minutes to buy food that was grown hundreds of miles away is natural? What is so normal about living in a 500 person condo and not knowing half a dozen people? Who's fault is it that this "tiny rock" is "doomed"?
Posted 12/5/08

bigcheese96 wrote:


FlavorAmazing wrote:


bigcheese96 wrote:

Where there is communism, there are lazy people.

I don't mean all people, but in a society where everyone is economically "equal," no one honestly has a reason to try to succeed because they won't climb any higher.


Where there is capitalism, there are lazy people
I don't mean all people. but in a society where very few control most of the resources, no one is honestly capable of achieving that level of material success, and thus won't try to climb any higher.



What you said just described COMMUNISM. No one gets success because everybody gets paid the SAME THING. Where there is capitalism, however, people get opportunities. People just have to work hard to get it. Look at Bill Gates. He worked hard on starting his business and gets paid like millions of dollars per hour as a reward. Others can achieve this success too. They just can't be bums.


Actually most of Bill Gates success was just luck,he has said so himself. When he was a kid in 1964 he had access to a computer,now how many kids had access to a computer in 1964? That and he came from a wealthy family. Don't get me wrong,Bill Gates has worked hard to get where he is at. But working hard usually is not the driving factor in ones achievements in this world it also has to do with aspects outside of that. And I do think Communism could work only if greed did not take over and I think there would have to be more than one figure head at the top of such a government.
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superninjaboy wrote:


bigcheese96 wrote:


FlavorAmazing wrote:


bigcheese96 wrote:

Where there is communism, there are lazy people.

I don't mean all people, but in a society where everyone is economically "equal," no one honestly has a reason to try to succeed because they won't climb any higher.


Where there is capitalism, there are lazy people
I don't mean all people. but in a society where very few control most of the resources, no one is honestly capable of achieving that level of material success, and thus won't try to climb any higher.



What you said just described COMMUNISM. No one gets success because everybody gets paid the SAME THING. Where there is capitalism, however, people get opportunities. People just have to work hard to get it. Look at Bill Gates. He worked hard on starting his business and gets paid like millions of dollars per hour as a reward. Others can achieve this success too. They just can't be bums.


Actually most of Bill Gates success was just luck,he has said so himself. When he was a kid in 1964 he had access to a computer,now how many kids had access to a computer in 1964? That and he came from a wealthy family. Don't get me wrong,Bill Gates has worked hard to get where he is at. But working hard usually is not the driving factor in ones achievements in this world it also has to do with aspects outside of that. And I do think Communism could work only if greed did not take over and I think there would have to be more than one figure head at the top of such a government.


Listen, I understand what you mean, but unfortunately, greed IS A PART OF THE WORLD. Do you exactly know the number of communists that take advantage of the system? Please, I'm begging you please, to do some research on how people have died just because they may have been smarter then anyone else. Do you remember the 7th grade when you learned about slavery? Slaves didn't receive an education because intelligence = power. In communism, NO ONE has power except the government.

In communism, plenty of dictators loose complete control. An example? Oh, I'll give you an example. Mao ZeDong of China. My mother lived during his reign of power and you know what? His face was everywhere on posters. Every morning, someone from each family would have to bow down to it. Oh, and if you didn't? Boom. Head shot.

I do understand what you're thinking, but you're forgetting that there is greed in the world. "Oh, if only everybody was nice..." They aren't. So end of discussion. Communism doesn't work because of greed.

If only.

Posted 12/9/08

bigcheese96 wrote:


superninjaboy wrote:


bigcheese96 wrote:


FlavorAmazing wrote:


bigcheese96 wrote:

Where there is communism, there are lazy people.

I don't mean all people, but in a society where everyone is economically "equal," no one honestly has a reason to try to succeed because they won't climb any higher.


Where there is capitalism, there are lazy people
I don't mean all people. but in a society where very few control most of the resources, no one is honestly capable of achieving that level of material success, and thus won't try to climb any higher.



What you said just described COMMUNISM. No one gets success because everybody gets paid the SAME THING. Where there is capitalism, however, people get opportunities. People just have to work hard to get it. Look at Bill Gates. He worked hard on starting his business and gets paid like millions of dollars per hour as a reward. Others can achieve this success too. They just can't be bums.


Actually most of Bill Gates success was just luck,he has said so himself. When he was a kid in 1964 he had access to a computer,now how many kids had access to a computer in 1964? That and he came from a wealthy family. Don't get me wrong,Bill Gates has worked hard to get where he is at. But working hard usually is not the driving factor in ones achievements in this world it also has to do with aspects outside of that. And I do think Communism could work only if greed did not take over and I think there would have to be more than one figure head at the top of such a government.


Listen, I understand what you mean, but unfortunately, greed IS A PART OF THE WORLD. Do you exactly know the number of communists that take advantage of the system? Please, I'm begging you please, to do some research on how people have died just because they may have been smarter then anyone else. Do you remember the 7th grade when you learned about slavery? Slaves didn't receive an education because intelligence = power. In communism, NO ONE has power except the government.

In communism, plenty of dictators loose complete control. An example? Oh, I'll give you an example. Mao ZeDong of China. My mother lived during his reign of power and you know what? His face was everywhere on posters. Every morning, someone from each family would have to bow down to it. Oh, and if you didn't? Boom. Head shot.

I do understand what you're thinking, but you're forgetting that there is greed in the world. "Oh, if only everybody was nice..." They aren't. So end of discussion. Communism doesn't work because of greed.

If only.



Yeah but I am an optimist, greed is likely never going to go away but we can try to buck the trend of endless consumption just to keep a country afloat, where does it end? That and I said communism could work not that it does.
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