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Which can 'tell the truth' better: Arts or Science?
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My answer is science.
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Yea, note to other people too, when it comes to philosophy threads and you don't want to follow my thought process and responses, just read the post of mine that seems to sum up my point of view (sometimes no such post). For instance, my last post in this thread probably sums up my view the best, and its relatively short. Edit - hum probably need some kind of marker to indicate this conclusion...how about a black smiley face? ☻or a temple? ۩ The sun? ☼
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Eros wrote:

Well, this slid off the main page so may as well post some thoughts.

"science is also an art" Well perhaps partly at the moment due to creative involvement in hypothesizes, but in 20 or so years when computers become more intelligent then humans. Shrug, they can be creative too I suppose.

That "art and science can equally get u to truth" it seems everyone agrees on to some extent. The main concerns are how and what kind of truth. Well my answers as far as what kind... Art as a product of creativity can provide something to look at objectively. But, it seems art can only say about what is the case as it pertains to subjective truth however -- I feel this, you feel that, the truth depends on its being experienced. Science aims for as close as is possible to objective only. So, what kind of truth is more important, or should be valued more. Might be silly to pick, but when we we don't experience them, the objective truths will still be out there to be experienced.


the truth..computers being smarter then us..uh.. so in other words you think science gives you the truth?


i did not understand anything.. i think its from my lack of sleep. -_-
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it really depends what it is you want to explain. but most of the time, science has the upper hand
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BUt has anyone heard about something that goes like this: science is too abstract and that humans can NEVER grasp science and physics. Well, the only thing that they could discern or claim to understand are just statistics of the reaction of objects. For example, the properties of a nucleus is known through colliding and smashing them together. SO the bottom line is, science is not factual at all. Its all lies or rather assumptions/illusions cuz we've never really grasped the nature of everything in our surroundings.
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^ you should read my long post


Eros wrote:

Yea, note to other people too, when it comes to philosophy threads and you don't want to follow my thought process and responses, just read the post of mine that seems to sum up my point of view (sometimes no such post). For instance, my last post in this thread probably sums up my view the best, and its relatively short. Edit - hum probably need some kind of marker to indicate this conclusion...how about a black smiley face? ☻or a temple? ۩ The sun? ☼


This one Ø why is this the symbol of Philosophy?
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huh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98_%28disambiguation%29
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Does science give us the truth? Oh I don't know. Tricky question for another day maybe. As far as it pertains to research scroll down to the bottom... http://www.iep.utm.edu/t/truth.htm

On a related note...Know anything about the Analytic-synthetic distinction? I can easily type something that I consider to be true without any scientific or artistic work eh? All bachelors are unmarried. 2+2=4
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why do you think the logo of http://www.amherst.edu/askphilosophers/ looks like that?
defining truth is such a long topic in philosophy I need to read Focault and Whitehead views
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Oh ... I was thrown off due to the difference between how the symbol looks on the web vs. how the Greek looked. Seems they stylized it so that it would be a question mark and a p...if you can see them...

Its the Greek letter Phi in uppercase, often used as a symbol for Philosophy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phi_%28letter%29
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mauz15 wrote:

^ you should read my long post


Eros wrote:

Yea, note to other people too, when it comes to philosophy threads and you don't want to follow my thought process and responses, just read the post of mine that seems to sum up my point of view (sometimes no such post). For instance, my last post in this thread probably sums up my view the best, and its relatively short. Edit - hum probably need some kind of marker to indicate this conclusion...how about a black smiley face? ☻or a temple? ۩ The sun? ☼


This one Ø why is this the symbol of Philosophy?


lol i still think that science is still too abstract and therefore science is not the truth completely discerned. How can we know that something is true if we do not entirely grasp? Just a thought.
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art just generally speaking speaks more truth than the scientific method and all that applicable mumbo jumbo...
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one way to look at it is, science tells what is, the arts tell what might be.
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i think theres too much focus on drawing an imaginary line between art and science. why cant knowledge just be knowledge, and ideas be ideas?


eros- computers will sooner be able to create art than come up with new scientific ideas. in fact there is computer-generated art now. but that doesnt make art any less of an art.

kevyin - hahaha good luck in biomed. ur gonna need it. not that im sayin ur not smart or anything.. its just a hard subject. there was one kid at my school who was a rhodes scholar and said he was gonna cure cancer etc.. used to be biomed too but he dropped the major after 1 semester cuz it was too hard.
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^ agreed, the title is not helping either.
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each in there own way reveals truth,the difference is the type of truth they reveal
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