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Which can 'tell the truth' better: Arts or Science?
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Arts!
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Mts wrote:


dimus3001 wrote:

Science is a bunch of lies and art is a waste of time


and you're a lie


wohahahahahahah!

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Whoa I love this topic!! Here we go..

Firstly, define "truth".

I am mainly a Nihilist and Nihilism states that "truth doesn't exist". So we meditate awhile upon this statement and we realize: "ey! That statement is paradoxical".

If the statement "truth doesn't exist" is true, then it contradicts itself, because the statement itself is a truth.

Then Nihilism as a philosophy evolved and put in the parameters of "in the human context", i.e. an non-arbitrary, objective truth exists but humans will never be capable to extract that truth in it's pure form.

The reason in this is because:
We gain awareness of our surroundings through our senses: sight, smell, audio, touch, taste etc.. And these senses are brought to our individual brains for processing. During that process, there is already a form of impurity or corruption, albeit very small. It makes what we perceive as different from what others perceive. It is no longer the truth. The truth can never be obtained by human. The more processes involved, the further away from truth a data becomes.

Now, which one can tell the truth better: Art or Science?

I would say they are just both equally unreliable in telling the truth. The processes in both mode of thinking begins with an observational stage: in which we use our senses to obtain data from our surroundings.

But during this process itself, truth is already lost.
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hmm science...for nature but somethings cant be explained
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science. i think. coz it has theories/proofs unlike arts, which is just made through people's imagination.. just my opinion..
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s_j_b wrote:

I think that in modern times Science has become the form of knowledge that many would say 'tells the truth' about the world, however I think that the Arts can also give a different form of truth that science can't.

(Examples of what i mean roughly)
Arts: Music, Literature, Paintings, Sculpture, Dance
Science: Biology, Physics, Chemistry, Psychology

Of course this also involves the discussion of different theories of truth and which is the most reliable/ useful/ acceptable.
I'm sure the philosophers of CR could have put this all much better but thats my attempt ^-^
Your thoughts?


Neither, the truth is an opinion. Not only that, but the Truth can be bent in any way shape and form until becoming unrecognizable with out ever becoming a lie. This topic failz.
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Science. I believe everything can be explained scientifically.
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dimus3001 wrote:

Science is a bunch of lies and art is a waste of time


xx how did you come up with that idea?! man you're a total crap! go get a life. xx
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I personally dont think the 'truth' even exists. Even the word "truth" was made by humans to represent facts which are also made by humans--so overall, we cant truly be told the truth from either science or arts.
The human body is made of cells. this is a scientific fact proven by humans by using man-made machinery. Along with this, human's used their minds to form theories that left an effect on this fact. Now, saying this statement is the 'truth' is irrelavent because we don't know what the truth is. We form theories and hypothesis' and use machines we made to prove that what we think is fact. What is true was changed when we began forming ideas in our minds.

As well with the arts. Art is what we use as a representation of what we see in life.
Arts can tell what we want it to tell. Since we cant tell the Truth from man-made 'truth,' art cant really describe the Truth either, it can only describe what we believe. I, personally, believe in God and my religion--but to go up to someone who is not of my religion and say that what I say is the truth would be idiotic. I can say that what I say is fact because facts are made by man and are based on man's beliefs.

I'm not sure what I said made any sense because it is 3 am and I am knocking out as I type, but I believe that the real truth can only be brought forward through clear observation with neutral feelings towards everything. For example, if a person originally likes roses, then they will believe that roses smell better than tulips [not sure what tulips smell like but lets just say tulips scent is naturally stronger for this ex], thus--they wont ever realize the real truth because of their emotions......wait so where was I going with this......ahh anyway, I just realized I am hungry and sleepy at the same time....odd. Okay i'll write more in the morning.
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xxpattyxx wrote:


dimus3001 wrote:

Science is a bunch of lies and art is a waste of time


xx how did you come up with that idea?! man you're a total crap! go get a life. xx


Because it's true. Science comes filtered through the Government, hence it is bent and exposed at the Government's will, not to mention that everything in science is theory.

Art is a waste of time simply because it's just an expression of opinion. Hence, it is his art that everyone else's art is a waste of time.

Everything is art, as explained by science.
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Neither I say. Truth comes from the insane.
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Hmmmm... this is the kind of thread where I would normally write a long and well thought out response explaining my opinion clearly in a way that will affect any readers and be quoted at least once for my great wisdom.... but instead I'm going to say martial arts tells the truth better, because anything is true if ninja says it is.
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each can tell the truth but in a different ways...
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