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Posted 5/19/08

Nakapagpabagabag wrote:


pyromaniachaos777 wrote:


Nakapagpabagabag wrote:

that sucks. even the Media isn't safe anymore.


It was NEVER safe. *flicks your forehead*


The hell should I know with America's media *pokes eye*


x_o'
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i never look on CNN only other NEWS one the internet
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Posted 5/19/08

pyromaniachaos777 wrote:


Nakapagpabagabag wrote:


pyromaniachaos777 wrote:


Nakapagpabagabag wrote:

that sucks. even the Media isn't safe anymore.


It was NEVER safe. *flicks your forehead*


The hell should I know with America's media *pokes eye*


x_o'


lol funny.

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Posted 5/19/08

Shinjy wrote:

i knew it! racist americans! they love stirring up trouble! bastards! join my anti american group now!


Generalizing is no worse.
Posted 5/20/08

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AHTL wrote:

What about BBC News? They seem quite reliable.


The BBC news website has been blocked in China for a long time.


That's got nothing to do with whether they are reliable but China's own government's paranoia that they will look bad in the news.
BBC is a state-owned broadcaster which means that they are by law politically neutral. China cannot influence the way that it is broadcasted and therefore it faces the danger of its population viewing news that places the government in a bad position.
The BBC is probably one of the most reliable news broadcaster in the world.
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animoo_x wrote:


mattman_183 wrote:


AHTL wrote:

What about BBC News? They seem quite reliable.


The BBC news website has been blocked in China for a long time.


That's got nothing to do with whether they are reliable but China's own government's paranoia that they will look bad in the news.
BBC is a state-owned broadcaster which means that they are by law politically neutral. China cannot influence the way that it is broadcasted and therefore it faces the danger of its population viewing news that places the government in a bad position.
The BBC is probably one of the most reliable news broadcaster in the world.


I disagree. It's all about the broadcaster being reliable. About the whole Tibet issue, what made them think that it's right to give false reports?
Perhaps because the Chinese was restricting foreign media from entering Tibet, and the Western Media was pressured to report on the issue. They felt that it was necessary to make up stories to take a side, and basically vent their anger on China.
What they did was wrong, and eventually the truth was out from Tibet, proof that all the western media's stories were lies, and was clearly taking sides in the whole issue. What they did did make China look bad (congrats) but evidence of bias and lies soon developed.

Most of the broadcasters apologized, and some (Including CNN) was sued for $1.3 Billion USD for a rant by Jack Cafferty over remarks that insulted the Chinese people. [According to Reuters, Apr 24, 08] The court has accepted the case.

Although, I still fail to see why China restricted foreign media from entering Tibet; there is nothing China has to hide, and now after the truth is all out, one can decide by oneself on what to believe anymore.
Upon further research, I found that in 1959, there was an uprising against the Chinese in Tibet, and China had to react and forced the Dalai Lama to India. On a side note, why did he abandon his people?
Anyway, perhaps the Chinese did not want the same thing to happen again, and let false messages spread out, basically avoid losing reputation due to false assumptions. And yes, the Chinese was a bit paranoid, but they were trying to prevent exactly what happened recently.

Though yes, I agree that BBC does not show bias; it does cover each side of the story, and features a whole article on reactions by the Chinese community http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7347821.stm
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sigh... americans r too obnoxious = = thinking everything they do is for "peace"
haha yea... look wat turned out in the middle east xD killing innocent people (especially harmless children) is an act of peace =)

anyways~
wats that guy's name again? jeff cafferty or something? yea = = while the CNN and the westerner media r going on about the so called "human rights", that guy insulted the chinese ON CNN and never made a direct apology
so... where are OUR "human rights"?????
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you cant lump all the western media together. the west is a big place. CNN doesnt even represent all of the american media. Also, if the chinese have restrictions on their media then they cant even know everything that is being written about them. so thats dodgy for a start. and a government telling a country what the worlds opinion is of them is never OK. if they are telling the chinese people that we all think they are shit then why not allow access to these websites and newspapers to proove what they are already telling them? if what they are being told is being written about them, and what is being written about them is the same, why not let them see that for themselves?


anyone who says that ALL the western media are manipulative and/or lying is someone who either doesnt know very much or enough about all the media concerned, or DOES and is worried about something you might read in a decent newspaper or on a decent news programme.

this CNN thing seems to be a china versus america deal.
in my opinion the problem with chinese and american relations is that both countries are so similar in that they are unswervingly patriotic. and both have highly arrogant governments interested more in themselves than their people (this goes especially for the bush administration). its peoples are both willing to admit to the problems within their own country but neither will allow anyone else to voice those same opinions.
i am willing to bet that for every seemingly unfair article in the american news about china (or its government to be precise), there will be one in china about america. for every stupid comment made by an individual on american television about china or its people there will be one made in china about americans. in this way they are both the injured parties and they both have their share of hypocrites.

any article which bends the truth casts a huge shadow of doubt over reputable reports and news agencies. similarly its pretty bent when such an article is used by the injured party as a way of explaining away an entire situation as a non-issue. it is neither all bad reporting by the media OR complete innocence on the part of china.
just because you can find a handful of reports which are dubious, does NOT mean that the bulk or all of the reporting was a pack of lies.
also, when you ban contact with the media you cant complain too much when people have to make reports with limited information. you also have to take into account the number of chinese and tibetan people who are talking to the media. the media is then expected to believe that anyone who talks to them is a liar. chinese liars, chinese the honest. which is it? why is it that the chinese are not allowed to differ in their opinion on a situation?
add this lack of decent contact and openess with the media to past events such as the massacre in Tiananmen Square in '89. Thats hardly an incident which inspires trust but rather fear of a similar event happening again.

in the uk there arent any banned news agencies, websites etc.
you have to place trust in your country and its people that they will know the truth that is written about them. if nothing is wrong then there is nothing to fear from the press. if china chooses to say things about the uk and its government then we in the uk have the freedom to read about it and make our own minds up. if something has to be hidden from you you always have to ask why

i suggest that if in china, any news agency that you CANT get a hold of or access to will be the very ones you need to try and gain access to. you need to go for the BBC, as stated before legally it has to be unbiased. also check not just for news programming but for good documentaries with a good number of chinese citizens in. this then throws the argument and issue back to differences in chinese opinion. if there are enough chinese people within china to interview who are unhappy with issues then other chinese people then you cannot discount their views as invalid.

i can say one thing. if the chinese government or news agencies are claiming that western media are 'bashing' chinese people, their culture, their rights, their heritage, their success or the chinese population in general then be VERY worried because there is none of that happening at all.
the bulk of all reporting done on china news-wise especially in the uk centres around human rights of chinese and tibetans, not just tibetans alone.
in the uk alone there are also documentaries run showcasing everything that is beautiful about china - its culture, its wildlife, its history.
and for every article run about the chinese government, there will be ten run about the state of the british government, its various scandals, enquiries, failures, breach of promises, and what on earth they can do to sort their act out.


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Posted 5/20/08

strawberryicecream wrote:

sigh... americans r too obnoxious = = thinking everything they do is for "peace"
haha yea... look wat turned out in the middle east xD killing innocent people (especially harmless children) is an act of peace =)

anyways~
wats that guy's name again? jeff cafferty or something? yea = = while the CNN and the westerner media r going on about the so called "human rights", that guy insulted the chinese ON CNN and never made a direct apology
so... where are OUR "human rights"?????


Don't confuse government with the people of that country. Far to often, leaders do things that are very unpopular with the people they govern. Just because an American president declares war to spread peace and democracy and free people doesn't mean people from that country support him. Certainly not everybody. In America, they can show this lack of support publicly.

In China however, this is impossible. Of course there are people who disagree with the government's policies but dare not publicly. The government wants people there to think that the CCP and the Chinese people are one and the same. Anybody who publicly disagrees with the government disagrees with the Chinese people by proxy.

As for Cafferty, he said he was talking about the Chinese government, not the people. Of course as I just explained, for some people there is no difference. Some Chinese have to stop crying about every bad thing that is said about China. It happens to America all the time. It is the price of power. The more successful you get, the more bad things people are gonna say about you.
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Euphemism...yeah...?

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damn... I really don't care!
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Don't want to make my post long from quoting your post, so I minimized it.

snottyenglishgirl wrote:



Firstly, I don't see a lot of intelligent replies to arguments often; it's nice to see some discussion going on on the forums for once

For your first point, yes, I agree with you. I do not understand why China has restricted the media so much that it makes other countries wonder what China has to hide.
China is pretty open to the world's media; many people are aware of what's going on and other's opinion half way around the world. I do not believe the Chinese government is holding anything back from the people. And I do not see anything wrong with governments telling their country what everyone else thinks of them.

I never said that all western media are deceiving their viewers. Most. Maybe not all of their stories were lies, but the message they gave to the audience was not positive and showed bias towards the Chinese. The media already admit that they were providing false information to their audience, and others that still believe otherwise are sadly mistaken, and was clearly hit hard by their false messages. Once again, I'm taking about the western media in general, with certain exceptions, such as CCTV, as I recently found out.

And yep, you're right. "Chinese people are sad people." is probably what you hear in America. Flip the countries around and you're set. The Americans may think that the Chinese are afraid of them. The Chinese may also think that the Americans are afraid of them. Yeah, the huge thing is really pointless, but it's basically a "Who will last the longest?" thing. And currently the Americans are winning in making them believe what they say.

Yes, you can't just say everything the media says are lies, even if only one of their stories are false.
But, it's a different thing if the message they're trying to convey is false, especially those who drill the first thing they hear into their heads and close themselves up. The message they already implanted is the main thing, not the articles they come up with. If the message suggests false information, then yes, the media is spreading false information. Even if one broadcaster comes up with a pro-Tibet story, while the other stories are supporting China, then no. But in this case, media such as the CNN already locked the message onto the audience, and whatever other people (or other media) say will not change their opinions. That's where all the pro-Tibet/anti-Tibet violence comes in.

I am not blaming the media for making reports based on limited information. I am, though, blaming the media for fabricating information when there were not enough to make an accurate story. They mostly assumed that stuff happened, and thus is not relaying accurate information. Restricting the media is one thing, while spreading false information is another.
In Tiananmen Massacre of 1989, they did restrict foreign media from reporting, and tried to conceal it later on. It was a "Forbidden Topic" in China, and is not surprising when children haven't heard of the massacre.
It is one of the examples of China censoring the media, although I still do not understand why. Maybe they were afraid of losing reputation. Events such as 9/11 can be compared, but the US did not make any effort of concealing it.

Again, according to you (no offense intended) in the UK, the media is not showing bias. BBC does not report much on the Tibet issue all together. In the US, on the other hand, shows extreme bias, and like I said before, is locking false messages into the audience.

I am not sure if you are aware of what's happening in the US right now. Reports are clearly showing bias, and media are not reporting on the other side of the story. CNN's documentaries shows the Tibet violence in 1959, and the 'cruel and inhumane' actions taken by the Chinese government. CNN's Jack Cafferty did offend the Chinese community, calling them "thugs and goons" and calling all Chinese products "trash". It sparked a series of protests in the US, and a $1.3 billion lawsuit.
This is just one of the ways the media has offended the Chinese community, and is clearly happening, perhaps not in the UK.


This post and research took me over an hour, the longest I spent ever making a simple forum post
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I was also shocked when I read about it.. Didn't knew that the news I was reading was all lies.. I first read a news about Chinese police killing Tibetans in a RIOT and I was thinking how bad China was.. I almost believed it and was angry on China for doing that to their people but upon reading the articles how CNN distorted the truth I was kinda feel ashamed.. I've heard European media already apologized to Chinese I hope CNN and other western media will do the same.. Here in Philippines fair media coverage always comes first. getting both sides reactions about the certain issues. I was kinda disappointed for the top MEDIA Corp to lie about the issue.


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The Patriots control the media...


Where's Philanthropy when you need them? and Raiden, I suppose he played his part...

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hell yeah it'll affect them very much
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