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Posted 5/21/08 , edited 5/21/08
Well not to generalize Westerners but I pity the girl whos a paramlypian who holds the olympic torch in London and Paris.. The pro Tibetans are so aggressive they didn't even considered that the girl is a disable.. Because of wrong and BIAS broadcast of MEDIA this is the effect..
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20080410_1.htm



And I kinda agree that BBC News is kinda fair in their report since Ive read this news first in BBC.
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MY ASS HAIRS CNN IS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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fuck! thats shocking from cnn... i guess cnn is already manipulated by us government...
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check out the nationality of the 'westerner' who is grabbing at the torch though.....


a lot of the protesters during the torch relay in the west werent westerners, they were tibetans etc. one of the people who tried to get the torch in london was a monk....

also compare the number of protesters who actually went to grab the torch with the number of protesters who attended the relay.
its literally double figures compared to tens of thousands. most people were shouting and waving banners literally to gain the attention of the media because that was the point of the protesting. also, running into shot of a camera at a torch ceremony might be considered bad manners, but it isnt agressive. it isnt grabbing a person and hitting them or touching them. i dont aproove of hurting anyone at a protest of course, but its hard to tell if that was the intention of people who went for the torch. it might be a mixed bag there. clearly however there wasnt a massed plan to attack the torch from all sides, so you have to assume it was down to the individuals concerned and you cant judge a whole side of the globe on a handful of individuals. as far as the media is concerned it was the medias job to report it because it happening.

as far as biased media, the uk media is less biased, the BBC is unbiased and yet there were still tibetan and english protesters there, so that wasnt down to the media. mot people in the uk dont bother watching CNN because we have better news. in the uk we dont just see photos and make a decision. we also see and hear reports from tibetans and the chinese stating something is wrong in Tibet and china. we also have people who have left china living in our country who tell us about the problems they have had there. most people i know know at least one or two chinese people with a story to tell about their home land. in the uk especially its a matter of coming to a conclusion based on all of these things. it ISNT the case where every chinese person says its great in china and we all just say its different. the same goes for tibet. even if you discounted everything CNN has ever run you couldnt cancel out all of these other facts.


also....the west doesnt comprise only of american and the UK
it certainly isnt 'mainly america'
dont forget the rest of europe, canada, scandinavia etc.
its like talking about asia as though it is ONLY china - and totaly ignoring koreans, japanese, malays, singaporeans, indians etc
and so talking about western media in terms of CNN is insulting to all the other media outlets who run complete stories and all the people in the west who make their decisions based on those reports. ive said before too that its convenient scapegoating to excuse other stories that arent as flattering.

how complete are the reports that chinese people are basing their opinions of 'westerners' on?

then you can also consider africa (outside of the west) when it comes to the effect of the chinese government on other countries with arms shipments being sent to zimbabwe during a very dangerous period for its voters. i wonder what their opinion is...about a kind communist government supporting a dictator whose population is very much NOT equal. i wonder how those stories run in the press....

(EDIT: not attacking the person who posted this pic above me, the pic just set off a train of thought for me. i just read it back and thought it might have looked as though it was intended for the person a few posts above me )



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fake news huh? CNN probably didn't want this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4pY3QtiGyo to happen to them
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Yes, the westerns are not the ones going for the torch; the Tibetans are. I do not believe anyone said anything about Westerns going for the torch. Most of them do not support Tibet enough to do that.

And yes, only a few out of the thousands of people did interfere with the relay, but why interfere? Why must they target the Olympics? There are tons of ways to get the media's attention, and since everyone's eyes is already focused on Tibet, why must they continue targeting the Olympics? There is absolutely no reason to target the Olympics and turn it into a political event.

snottyenglishgirl wrote:i dont aproove of hurting anyone at a protest of course, but its hard to tell if that was the intention of people who went for the torch. it might be a mixed bag there.

Why would they go for the torch then if they know that they're going to be hurting them? Does it make sense for someone to break into a house, and shoot the residents after making a mistake and waking them up? It may not be intentional, but still is equally horrifying.

I'd also like to remind you that UK is not the only country in the world. Even if the UK has 'unbiased' media, does not mean all the other parts of the world is the same. There are people who rely on CNN, and does not rely on BBC, and those are the people who are most vulnerable.

I was simply using CNN as an example. There are several other broadcasters doing the same thing as CNN.

Yes, I know, I can't exactly call BBC biased because of that picture; they all make mistakes and such, but just to give you an idea that CNN is not the only media that is doing such a thing.

Like I said in my previous post, "Once again, I'm taking about the western media i general, with certain exceptions, such as CCTV, as I recently found out."
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Posted 5/23/08 , edited 5/23/08

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snottyenglishgirl wrote:



Yes, the westerns are not the ones going for the torch; the Tibetans are. I do not believe anyone said anything about Westerns going for the torch. Most of them do not support Tibet enough to do that.

And yes, only a few out of the thousands of people did interfere with the relay, but why interfere? Why must they target the Olympics? There are tons of ways to get the media's attention, and since everyone's eyes is already focused on Tibet, why must they continue targeting the Olympics? There is absolutely no reason to target the Olympics and turn it into a political event.

snottyenglishgirl wrote:i dont aproove of hurting anyone at a protest of course, but its hard to tell if that was the intention of people who went for the torch. it might be a mixed bag there.

Why would they go for the torch then if they know that they're going to be hurting them? Does it make sense for someone to break into a house, and shoot the residents after making a mistake and waking them up? It may not be intentional, but still is equally horrifying.

I'd also like to remind you that UK is not the only country in the world. Even if the UK has 'unbiased' media, does not mean all the other parts of the world is the same. There are people who rely on CNN, and does not rely on BBC, and those are the people who are most vulnerable.

I was simply using CNN as an example. There are several other broadcasters doing the same thing as CNN.

Yes, I know, I can't exactly call BBC biased because of that picture; they all make mistakes and such, but just to give you an idea that CNN is not the only media that is doing such a thing.

Like I said in my previous post, "Once again, I'm taking about the western media i general, with certain exceptions, such as CCTV, as I recently found out."


well that article you posted specifically states that it was information passed to the BBC from tibetans. reporting what is said to you isnt the same as falsifying information, especially when you state that that is what you are reporting.

also, i dont think you can compare trying to grab something out of someones hands with breaking into a house and shooting someone. there was no sneaking in in the dead of night and murder committed. noone tried to punch, hit or in anyway harm the torch bearers. i would say that it might have been a stupid thing to do and ill-thought out and that someone could easily have been injured as a result of it. but noone was carrying a gun with intent to shoot. and noone carries a gun unless they plan to scare someone or shoot someone.


also CCTV is a chinese news channel
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Posted 5/23/08

snottyenglishgirl wrote:


Fushaz wrote:


snottyenglishgirl wrote:



Yes, the westerns are not the ones going for the torch; the Tibetans are. I do not believe anyone said anything about Westerns going for the torch. Most of them do not support Tibet enough to do that.

And yes, only a few out of the thousands of people did interfere with the relay, but why interfere? Why must they target the Olympics? There are tons of ways to get the media's attention, and since everyone's eyes is already focused on Tibet, why must they continue targeting the Olympics? There is absolutely no reason to target the Olympics and turn it into a political event.

snottyenglishgirl wrote:i dont aproove of hurting anyone at a protest of course, but its hard to tell if that was the intention of people who went for the torch. it might be a mixed bag there.

Why would they go for the torch then if they know that they're going to be hurting them? Does it make sense for someone to break into a house, and shoot the residents after making a mistake and waking them up? It may not be intentional, but still is equally horrifying.

I'd also like to remind you that UK is not the only country in the world. Even if the UK has 'unbiased' media, does not mean all the other parts of the world is the same. There are people who rely on CNN, and does not rely on BBC, and those are the people who are most vulnerable.

I was simply using CNN as an example. There are several other broadcasters doing the same thing as CNN.

Yes, I know, I can't exactly call BBC biased because of that picture; they all make mistakes and such, but just to give you an idea that CNN is not the only media that is doing such a thing.

Like I said in my previous post, "Once again, I'm taking about the western media i general, with certain exceptions, such as CCTV, as I recently found out."


well that article you posted specifically states that it was information passed to the BBC from tibetans. reporting what is said to you isnt the same as falsifying information, especially when you state that that is what you are reporting.

also, i dont think you can compare trying to grab something out of someones hands with breaking into a house and shooting someone. there was no sneaking in in the dead of night and murder committed. noone tried to punch, hit or in anyway harm the torch bearers. i would say that it might have been a stupid thing to do and ill-thought out and that someone could easily have been injured as a result of it. but noone was carrying a gun with intent to shoot. and noone carries a gun unless they plan to scare someone or shoot someone.


also CCTV is a chinese news channel


Oh, yes. Sorry, I meant CTV.

Examples are always debatable, but it comes down to the original question; why do it if you know that you're going to harm them?

About the article, look at the picture. It basically shows that BBC did not have a valid picture, so they showed that one and made up the article around it. Again, this is debatable, and you still could say that the media also makes mistakes, and such.

I don't really have much time to spend here, got a huge project due on Monday
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Posted 5/23/08 , edited 5/23/08

Fushaz wrote:

Examples are always debatable, but it comes down to the original question; why do it if you know that you're going to harm them?

About the article, look at the picture. It basically shows that BBC did not have a valid picture, so they showed that one and made up the article around it. Again, this is debatable, and you still could say that the media also makes mistakes, and such.

I don't really have much time to spend here, got a huge project due on Monday



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7411939.stm

i think you should look at this link from two days ago (i know it isnt clickable. im an old fart!)

this is typical of BBC reporting. CNN is big but the BBC is known worldwide as one of the major news sources globally and so is arguably a huge part of the 'western media' and is relied on by more than just the UK.

as you can see, it is unbiased. maybe this is why the BBC is banned in China.
this is british news reporting.

lets not forget the natural bias in chinese news reporting and that their news does not only cover china. hence i do smell a touch a few hypocrites on their end.

lying is never supportable. on either side. but neither is using a few incidents to black list reliable news sources as a way of covering up a countries problems. especially when it comes to human rights.
i would argue obliquely that although initially damaging to china, being able to proof a handful of news articles as fabricated probablly made the chinese spin-doctors' day, as they could use them to isolate their citizens from the 'evil westerners' even further.

EDIT ive not got too much time here either. ive got a book to finish writing ;)


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Before you start caring so much about foreign media getting the story "wrong", why don't you take a look at all the stories Chinese newspapers and tv news have reported wrong to the public? I find it funny how all the years of distorted and censored news in China has led to people in that country to want FOREIGN media to change their ways instead of trying to change their own.

Pretty much the definition of hypocrisy.
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Before you start caring so much about foreign media getting the story "wrong", why don't you take a look at all the stories Chinese newspapers and tv news have reported wrong to the public? I find it funny how all the years of distorted and censored news in China has led to people in that country to want FOREIGN media to change their ways instead of trying to change their own.

Pretty much the definition of hypocrisy.


yep

exactly

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mattman_183 wrote:

Before you start caring so much about foreign media getting the story "wrong", why don't you take a look at all the stories Chinese newspapers and tv news have reported wrong to the public? I find it funny how all the years of distorted and censored news in China has led to people in that country to want FOREIGN media to change their ways instead of trying to change their own.

Pretty much the definition of hypocrisy.


Yes, I agree. Just like the Tiananmen protest in 1989, which was mentioned earlier. The story was censored by the government and became a 'forbidden topic' in China. Not a lot of people know a lot about it.

But, I'm talking about the bias in some of the western broadcasters. We can still look at the Chinese media, but my opinion for the western media still remains. If you start a new topic about the Chinese censorship, then sure, I'll happily share my opinion, but it's pretty much guaranteed that everyone will have the same feelings on the issue. (Also targeted @ snottyenglishgirl's point)

And just to point some stuff out:
On the most part, the Western media is fabricating information.
The Chinese is censoring their information.

There's a clear difference between the two. No news is always better than false news.

And @ snottyenglishgirl:
I also do not understand why the Chinese government is so strict with their incoming and outgoing information. Though it still comes down to my original point from way back; why must they start spreading lies when they know they do not have enough information to report?


I don't think I have enough time to finish my project on time, I'm probably going to pull an "all-nighter" tomorrow
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Fushaz wrote:


mattman_183 wrote:

Before you start caring so much about foreign media getting the story "wrong", why don't you take a look at all the stories Chinese newspapers and tv news have reported wrong to the public? I find it funny how all the years of distorted and censored news in China has led to people in that country to want FOREIGN media to change their ways instead of trying to change their own.

Pretty much the definition of hypocrisy.


Yes, I agree. Just like the Tiananmen protest in 1989, which was mentioned earlier. The story was censored by the government and became a 'forbidden topic' in China. Not a lot of people know a lot about it.

But, I'm talking about the bias in some of the western broadcasters. We can still look at the Chinese media, but my opinion for the western media still remains. If you start a new topic about the Chinese censorship, then sure, I'll happily share my opinion, but it's pretty much guaranteed that everyone will have the same feelings on the issue. (Also targeted @ snottyenglishgirl's point)

And just to point some stuff out:
On the most part, the Western media is fabricating information.
The Chinese is censoring their information.

There's a clear difference between the two. No news is always better than false news.

And @ snottyenglishgirl:
I also do not understand why the Chinese government is so strict with their incoming and outgoing information. Though it still comes down to my original point from way back; why must they start spreading lies when they know they do not have enough information to report?


I don't think I have enough time to finish my project on time, I'm probably going to pull an "all-nighter" tomorrow


First of all, good luck on the project. Ive been down that road a few times and it is no fun

That being said, Chinese media is naturally and inherently biased to be pro-government. If a Chinese newspaper says something that the government doesn't agree with it can (and has) been shut down. People who question or disagree with what the party says can get into big trouble. The result has been a public who reads and accepts news without questioning it.

Now, when foreign media starts reporting news in China in a way that the CCP cannot control like it does its own, the Chinese government began to freak out. What if the world starts seeing China's good AND bad traits? Worse, what would happen if Chinese began to read such things? Problems have started in Tibet and Its very difficult to censor foreign media.

So what happens? Easy, make these opposing views illegitimate. The CCTV and newspapers begin showing the unquestioning public articles and segments about how the West is biased and makes false reports. And so many Chinese ate it up.

Now, its the outsiders that have a biased media that report false stories, rarely if ever does it happen in Chinese media. Some begin rationalizing how censorship is somehow better than false reporting because living a life of ignorance is much better than lying. Chinese begin blaming foreign news agencies for trying to report news that they couldn't fully investigate because of a government so scared of its own image they would rather keep reporters from the truth than let them report a legit truthful story that could be hurtful to the image of China. But no, this is not China's fault, its somebody elses.





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Fushaz wrote:


mattman_183 wrote:

Before you start caring so much about foreign media getting the story "wrong", why don't you take a look at all the stories Chinese newspapers and tv news have reported wrong to the public? I find it funny how all the years of distorted and censored news in China has led to people in that country to want FOREIGN media to change their ways instead of trying to change their own.

Pretty much the definition of hypocrisy.


Yes, I agree. Just like the Tiananmen protest in 1989, which was mentioned earlier. The story was censored by the government and became a 'forbidden topic' in China. Not a lot of people know a lot about it.

But, I'm talking about the bias in some of the western broadcasters. We can still look at the Chinese media, but my opinion for the western media still remains. If you start a new topic about the Chinese censorship, then sure, I'll happily share my opinion, but it's pretty much guaranteed that everyone will have the same feelings on the issue. (Also targeted @ snottyenglishgirl's point)

And just to point some stuff out:
On the most part, the Western media is fabricating information.
The Chinese is censoring their information.

There's a clear difference between the two. No news is always better than false news.

And @ snottyenglishgirl:
I also do not understand why the Chinese government is so strict with their incoming and outgoing information. Though it still comes down to my original point from way back; why must they start spreading lies when they know they do not have enough information to report?


I don't think I have enough time to finish my project on time, I'm probably going to pull an "all-nighter" tomorrow


nice to have someone of opposing views who isnt screaming blue murder. just thought id say that first

but just to ask a question...how do you KNOW that the chinese government only censors their news and that their media doesnt lie?
censorship is manipulation afterall, and i believe just on that point alone if someone is prepared to withhold the truth from you, then they are also perfectly capable of lying as well.
with regards to the Tiananmen square incident; witholding the truth/news about mowing down students in tanks and shooting them is NOT a lesser sin than a western news source running a story that is flawed.
it isnt just that the chinese government dont want certain things published. its WHAT they dont want published thats the point.
if the western media didnt report about the massacre, how would anyone have known about it other than the people and relatives of those involved. and look how much it has been covered up in china. the chinese government would have been able to hush the whole thing up. at the end of the day the bulk of western media is NOT printing a pack of lies. that is why there are just a handful of examples of bad reporting as compared to the thousands of reports on china that come out every year globally.

even if i was un-biased, if i weighed up the pros and cons on both sides i would come to the same conclusions. besides, i know people who have left china in recent years who tell very similar stories to those in the western press.


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