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well in england, u never believe what u read in the news as they are always trying to force sumone elses view on u.
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mattman_183 wrote:


Fushaz wrote:


mattman_183 wrote:

Before you start caring so much about foreign media getting the story "wrong", why don't you take a look at all the stories Chinese newspapers and tv news have reported wrong to the public? I find it funny how all the years of distorted and censored news in China has led to people in that country to want FOREIGN media to change their ways instead of trying to change their own.

Pretty much the definition of hypocrisy.


Yes, I agree. Just like the Tiananmen protest in 1989, which was mentioned earlier. The story was censored by the government and became a 'forbidden topic' in China. Not a lot of people know a lot about it.

But, I'm talking about the bias in some of the western broadcasters. We can still look at the Chinese media, but my opinion for the western media still remains. If you start a new topic about the Chinese censorship, then sure, I'll happily share my opinion, but it's pretty much guaranteed that everyone will have the same feelings on the issue. (Also targeted @ snottyenglishgirl's point)

And just to point some stuff out:
On the most part, the Western media is fabricating information.
The Chinese is censoring their information.

There's a clear difference between the two. No news is always better than false news.

And @ snottyenglishgirl:
I also do not understand why the Chinese government is so strict with their incoming and outgoing information. Though it still comes down to my original point from way back; why must they start spreading lies when they know they do not have enough information to report?


I don't think I have enough time to finish my project on time, I'm probably going to pull an "all-nighter" tomorrow


First of all, good luck on the project. Ive been down that road a few times and it is no fun

That being said, Chinese media is naturally and inherently biased to be pro-government. If a Chinese newspaper says something that the government doesn't agree with it can (and has) been shut down. People who question or disagree with what the party says can get into big trouble. The result has been a public who reads and accepts news without questioning it.

Now, when foreign media starts reporting news in China in a way that the CCP cannot control like it does its own, the Chinese government began to freak out. What if the world starts seeing China's good AND bad traits? Worse, what would happen if Chinese began to read such things? Problems have started in Tibet and Its very difficult to censor foreign media.

So what happens? Easy, make these opposing views illegitimate. The CCTV and newspapers begin showing the unquestioning public articles and segments about how the West is biased and makes false reports. And so many Chinese ate it up.

Now, its the outsiders that have a biased media that report false stories, rarely if ever does it happen in Chinese media. Some begin rationalizing how censorship is somehow better than false reporting because living a life of ignorance is much better than lying. Chinese begin blaming foreign news agencies for trying to report news that they couldn't fully investigate because of a government so scared of its own image they would rather keep reporters from the truth than let them report a legit truthful story that could be hurtful to the image of China. But no, this is not China's fault, its somebody elses.







Agreed. The censorship of news in China is just as bad false reporting or exaggeration of the reports. The Tibet situation is nothing new, the problem is more than a 3 decade old, I remember doing reports about it in third grade when I was in India. People tend to forget the breach of human rights when the country is doing well according to western standards, this is the fact everywhere. Also the fact that foreign is media is still not complete access to sites of happenings leads to speculation and to a certain degree false reporting.

For example, I saw this piece on BBC about difference between help provided to earthquake victims in china and hurricane victims in Myanmar, which presumed that china was providing adequate care and Myanmar was not. We know that over the days before that Myanmar's gov't was unable to handle the catastrophe, but still was not willing to take outside help, but because China in some ways richer and more well off the reporter assumed that even though outside help and reporters were limited, all the people were still getting adequate care. (Hope it makes sense when some one else reads it.)

Usually western media is generally pro-china especially BBC, so when one piece of news is falsely reported the communist government harps on it, so cloud people's judgment in the future. And the censorship...lets not even get started on that. Its all government agenda, otherwise its harder to control people.

And I think one should never take what media says 100% seriously, there is always a grain of sensationalism, because they have to sell to and to do so they have to make it interesting. And people who think that Chinese government is innocent in all these things, then I ask what world are you living in?
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Posted 5/25/08
i never believe everything i see on tv.. especially the news..
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Guess we're going a bit off topic here. Anyway, censorship in China, here's my points:

... Well, I guess there isn't much to say. I agree with you guys, it's only expected that communist governments tend to limit and filter everything.

And about how I know that the Chinese media isn't lying or fabricating information. I don't, but unless you show that their media is lying, I'd tend to lean towards their side.

The Tiananmen protest, well, I'm not really aware of the extent of the Chinese censorship; I'm not sure how much information they allowed the foreign media to show, and such. But yeah, it's a great example of the Chinese censorship.

But @ zindagi4u, I do not believe western media in general is pro-Chinese.

Don't have much time to write about anything, have to get back to class

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Posted 5/26/08
Media exaggerates everything.
they love to make other countries look like shit
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Posted 5/26/08

Laughalilmore wrote:

Media exaggerates everything.
they love to make other countries look like shit



except the british press is happy to make britain look like shit too

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Posted 5/27/08

snottyenglishgirl wrote:


Laughalilmore wrote:

Media exaggerates everything.
they love to make other countries look like shit



except the british press is happy to make britain look like shit too



HAHA! Yeah well we don't need the press to make us look bad here in America. We pretty much take care of that ourselves.
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Fushaz wrote:

Guess we're going a bit off topic here. Anyway, censorship in China, here's my points:

... Well, I guess there isn't much to say. I agree with you guys, it's only expected that communist governments tend to limit and filter everything.

And about how I know that the Chinese media isn't lying or fabricating information. I don't, but unless you show that their media is lying, I'd tend to lean towards their side.

The Tiananmen protest, well, I'm not really aware of the extent of the Chinese censorship; I'm not sure how much information they allowed the foreign media to show, and such. But yeah, it's a great example of the Chinese censorship.

But @ zindagi4u, I do not believe western media in general is pro-Chinese.

Don't have much time to write about anything, have to get back to class



The maliciousness of the all mainstream media should be obvious today (likewise for most countries). Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, all have agendas and restrictions here in the US (Yes, CNN really fucked up the Tibet story. They couldn't get their reporters in , so they just used whatever photos they wanted and put the stories together as the pleased). You have to watch C-SPAN to hear what's really going in the government (if you have the patience that is).

If you want to know the extent of the Chinese government trying to hide their evils during the Tiananmen protest, watch the documentary about the heroic "Tank Man.", who risked life for his ideals. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/ You can watch it for free.


(On a sidenote: My sources we're not all from the western media. Epoch Times is Chinese owned even if it is situated in New York. The Epoch times would literally be destroyed in China, so they were forced to flee. I included sources from researchers situated in China, professors doing independent investigations, the arrests were hardly something something you can put a spin on, and my own families' experience is NOT a media bias. Just because one media outlet lies about events it doesn't mean all other sources are wrong too.
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People who are stupid enough to watch CNN/FOX news, deserved to be lied to.
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news in TV are for sh1theads and INTERNET is for porn...
WHAT DO WE DO! OMG!
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Posted 6/6/08

Terrakinetic wrote:


Fushaz wrote:

Guess we're going a bit off topic here. Anyway, censorship in China, here's my points:

... Well, I guess there isn't much to say. I agree with you guys, it's only expected that communist governments tend to limit and filter everything.

And about how I know that the Chinese media isn't lying or fabricating information. I don't, but unless you show that their media is lying, I'd tend to lean towards their side.

The Tiananmen protest, well, I'm not really aware of the extent of the Chinese censorship; I'm not sure how much information they allowed the foreign media to show, and such. But yeah, it's a great example of the Chinese censorship.

But @ zindagi4u, I do not believe western media in general is pro-Chinese.

Don't have much time to write about anything, have to get back to class



The maliciousness of the all mainstream media should be obvious today (likewise for most countries). Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, all have agendas and restrictions here in the US (Yes, CNN really fucked up the Tibet story. They couldn't get their reporters in , so they just used whatever photos they wanted and put the stories together as the pleased). You have to watch C-SPAN to hear what's really going in the government (if you have the patience that is).

If you want to know the extent of the Chinese government trying to hide their evils during the Tiananmen protest, watch the documentary about the heroic "Tank Man.", who risked life for his ideals. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/ You can watch it for free.


(On a sidenote: My sources we're not all from the western media. Epoch Times is Chinese owned even if it is situated in New York. The Epoch times would literally be destroyed in China, so they were forced to flee. I included sources from researchers situated in China, professors doing independent investigations, the arrests were hardly something something you can put a spin on, and my own families' experience is NOT a media bias. Just because one media outlet lies about events it doesn't mean all other sources are wrong too.


Though I would disagree that the media (in general) is reliable enough. I personally get info on the current events between the Western and the Chinese media, and can piece together the stories behind the two viewpoints, mainly applies for the Tibet issue.

And it's not all about the media spreading lies, it's about them not reporting on the whole story. Like the
media reports every single Tibetan gathering, but fails to report on the mass pro-Chinese gathering in Ottawa in April (Exception to CTV).
What annoys me is that the audience is not aware of the complete history behind Tibet; what really happened there, and such.
Posted 6/7/08

zindagi4u wrote:


mattman_183 wrote:


Fushaz wrote:


mattman_183 wrote:

Before you start caring so much about foreign media getting the story "wrong", why don't you take a look at all the stories Chinese newspapers and tv news have reported wrong to the public? I find it funny how all the years of distorted and censored news in China has led to people in that country to want FOREIGN media to change their ways instead of trying to change their own.

Pretty much the definition of hypocrisy.


Yes, I agree. Just like the Tiananmen protest in 1989, which was mentioned earlier. The story was censored by the government and became a 'forbidden topic' in China. Not a lot of people know a lot about it.

But, I'm talking about the bias in some of the western broadcasters. We can still look at the Chinese media, but my opinion for the western media still remains. If you start a new topic about the Chinese censorship, then sure, I'll happily share my opinion, but it's pretty much guaranteed that everyone will have the same feelings on the issue. (Also targeted @ snottyenglishgirl's point)

And just to point some stuff out:
On the most part, the Western media is fabricating information.
The Chinese is censoring their information.

There's a clear difference between the two. No news is always better than false news.

And @ snottyenglishgirl:
I also do not understand why the Chinese government is so strict with their incoming and outgoing information. Though it still comes down to my original point from way back; why must they start spreading lies when they know they do not have enough information to report?


I don't think I have enough time to finish my project on time, I'm probably going to pull an "all-nighter" tomorrow


First of all, good luck on the project. Ive been down that road a few times and it is no fun

That being said, Chinese media is naturally and inherently biased to be pro-government. If a Chinese newspaper says something that the government doesn't agree with it can (and has) been shut down. People who question or disagree with what the party says can get into big trouble. The result has been a public who reads and accepts news without questioning it.

Now, when foreign media starts reporting news in China in a way that the CCP cannot control like it does its own, the Chinese government began to freak out. What if the world starts seeing China's good AND bad traits? Worse, what would happen if Chinese began to read such things? Problems have started in Tibet and Its very difficult to censor foreign media.

So what happens? Easy, make these opposing views illegitimate. The CCTV and newspapers begin showing the unquestioning public articles and segments about how the West is biased and makes false reports. And so many Chinese ate it up.

Now, its the outsiders that have a biased media that report false stories, rarely if ever does it happen in Chinese media. Some begin rationalizing how censorship is somehow better than false reporting because living a life of ignorance is much better than lying. Chinese begin blaming foreign news agencies for trying to report news that they couldn't fully investigate because of a government so scared of its own image they would rather keep reporters from the truth than let them report a legit truthful story that could be hurtful to the image of China. But no, this is not China's fault, its somebody elses.







Agreed. The censorship of news in China is just as bad false reporting or exaggeration of the reports. The Tibet situation is nothing new, the problem is more than a 3 decade old, I remember doing reports about it in third grade when I was in India. People tend to forget the breach of human rights when the country is doing well according to western standards, this is the fact everywhere. Also the fact that foreign is media is still not complete access to sites of happenings leads to speculation and to a certain degree false reporting.

For example, I saw this piece on BBC about difference between help provided to earthquake victims in china and hurricane victims in Myanmar, which presumed that china was providing adequate care and Myanmar was not. We know that over the days before that Myanmar's gov't was unable to handle the catastrophe, but still was not willing to take outside help, but because China in some ways richer and more well off the reporter assumed that even though outside help and reporters were limited, all the people were still getting adequate care. (Hope it makes sense when some one else reads it.)

Usually western media is generally pro-china especially BBC, so when one piece of news is falsely reported the communist government harps on it, so cloud people's judgment in the future. And the censorship...lets not even get started on that. Its all government agenda, otherwise its harder to control people.

And I think one should never take what media says 100% seriously, there is always a grain of sensationalism, because they have to sell to and to do so they have to make it interesting. And people who think that Chinese government is innocent in all these things, then I ask what world are you living in?



Interesting. Usually almost all Western Media tended to be on their political agenda or put socialist/communist ideas. I done research by watching all news media such CNN, NBC, FOX, MNBC, BBC, and others. You can really tell the difference on reports and interviews. Now the next one is which media is being honest and fair?
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CNN, fucking shittiest broadcaster ever.
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This is the reason I'm doing a degree in Journalism. So that I'll always know the truth on what's going on.
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never liked CNN, that's why I try to watch as many different news channels, and read newspaper as possible, so I can have different view point on the issue, then interpret facts from lies!
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