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my grandpa fougth in all five years of the war. he alsays told me stories about how was hard fight before with germans and after against. all for the liberty of the country, but at the end of the war nobody rememberd italians soldiers. he always told me that the war took away his youngness and nobody paid back for this.
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nice.:)
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langkeekong wrote:

Well, they are fighting in the Philippines and the filipinos are abused by the Japanese


actually, my aunt, who was alive at that time told us that the japanese were rather nice. it was the koreans who were brutal (i think i heard her say they were under japan's control but i'm not sure) anyway, the japanese only took over our country because we were leaded by the americans. they actually promoted our nationality by letting us use our own language, etc. etc. (we weren't allowed during the American's time and were considered "indios" if we did during the Spanish time) but their real intentions were to erase any trace of any western-influence from our country.

well, at least that's what i learned from social studies. i'm open for any corrections

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mishmish48 wrote:


langkeekong wrote:

Well, they are fighting in the Philippines and the filipinos are abused by the Japanese


actually, my aunt, who was alive at that time told us that the japanese were rather nice. it was the koreans who were brutal (i think i heard her say they were under japan's control but i'm not sure) anyway, the japanese only took over our country because we were leaded by the americans. they actually promoted our nationality by letting us use our own language, etc. etc. (we weren't allowed during the American's time and were considered "indios" if we did during the Spanish time) but their real intentions were to erase any trace of any western-influence from our country.

well, at least that's what i learned from social studies. i'm open for any corrections



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March

Bataan death march 20,000 people were brutalized by the forcible march.

The march, involving the forcible transfer of 75,000 American and Filipino prisoners of war captured by the Japanese in the Philippines from the Bataan peninsula to prison camps, was characterized by wide-ranging physical abuse and murder, and resulted in very high fatalities inflicted upon the prisoners and civilians along the route by the armed forces of the Empire of Japan. Beheadings, cut throats and casual shootings were the more common and merciful actions — compared to bayonet stabbings, rapes, disembowelments, numerous rifle butt beatings and a deliberate refusal to allow the prisoners food or water while keeping them continually marching for nearly a week (for the slowest survivors) in tropical heat. Falling down, unable to continue moving was tantamount to a death sentence, as was any degree of protest or expression of displeasure.
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All I can say is that the Nazi Germans, and the Japanese Imperialist got owned!!!
But it sucked for the innocent people that died when the A-bombs fell. It was a wrong decision made by
that bastard Truman (may he rot in hell as I type). I think the Allies could have formed another less barbaric
plan to destroy what little power the Japanese had left. They were planning an invasion, but I wonder if
that invasion would prove to be the same as the A-bomb. I mean invasions are sick too, a lot of innocent people
would die as well, so the American's wanted an easy and fast way to end it. Since the Manhattan Project was
so successful Truman decided to test out the little boy and fat boy. A very bad decision, it still is the biggest
"WTF!!" by the U.S.
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fangirl08 wrote:


supersuggs wrote:

I think the Bombing was neccesary. I am half japanese and 4th generation american. Without it America would have had to invade Japan and they were ready to fight to the death. Even after both bombings the Japanese generals tried to kidnap the emperor so that he couldnt surrender.
Wrong. japan had already formaly surrendered there only condition was that the emperor remained in power. but america wanted unconditional so they went ahead with the bomb

Also Russia had just defeated Germany and was swinging its forces over to attack japan. If we hadnt nuked Japan into a quick surrender then Russia would be claiming part of Japan was theirs and Japan would be split like Germany was. We would then have to reunite and rebuild half of Japan later, like we had to with Germany and the Berlin wall. Also I dont think the partition of Japan would have been as peacefull as the German one. I think that the pressures of the Cold War would have boiled over and Russia and US would duke it out in Japan.
chances are this woudnt have happened. russia had lost too much manpower to lodge a powerful enough force to go past india and china hold all that land and attack japan.

As much as i hate the fact that innocent people were vaporized by the nuke. I think that you cant argue with the results. I mean there is a chance that we would never have Anime, or manga! Ahhhh!


excellent points, it's like choosing the lesser of two evils.


unfortunatly no. the bombing of hiroshima was pointless. in fact i call pearl harbor a less stupid move than hiroshima was. hiroshima was a civilian center and pearl harbor was a military base. theres a huge difference in what you should bomb in war
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wingdavid01 wrote:

All I can say is that the Nazi Germans, and the Japanese Imperialist got owned!!!
But it sucked for the innocent people that died when the A-bombs fell. It was a wrong decision made by
that bastard Truman (may he rot in hell as I type). I think the Allies could have formed another less barbaric
plan to destroy what little power the Japanese had left. They were planning an invasion, but I wonder if
that invasion would prove to be the same as the A-bomb. I mean invasions are sick too, a lot of innocent people
would die as well, so the American's wanted an easy and fast way to end it. Since the Manhattan Project was
so successful Truman decided to test out the little boy and fat boy. A very bad decision, it still is the biggest
"WTF!!" by the U.S.


Gotta disagree with the use of the A-bomb. Yes, I know a lot of innocent people got killed, but you have to remember, there were more people lost in the traditional fire carpet bombing than were to with the A-bomb, all the A-bomb did was instead sending hundreds if not thousands of bombers on a bombing run, it reduced the number to one plane. You have to remember, back in WWII, strategies for winning a war was different, cities were fair targets to try to get the someone to surrender. And even after 2 A-bombs the Japanese were unwilling to quit, they only surrendered after the Russians declared war on them, so they figured it'd be better to surrender to the Americans than the Russians.
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mishmish48 wrote:


langkeekong wrote:

Well, they are fighting in the Philippines and the filipinos are abused by the Japanese


actually, my aunt, who was alive at that time told us that the japanese were rather nice. it was the koreans who were brutal (i think i heard her say they were under japan's control but i'm not sure) anyway, the japanese only took over our country because we were leaded by the americans. they actually promoted our nationality by letting us use our own language, etc. etc. (we weren't allowed during the American's time and were considered "indios" if we did during the Spanish time) but their real intentions were to erase any trace of any western-influence from our country.

well, at least that's what i learned from social studies. i'm open for any corrections



Now thats a new view I havent heard b4, I have a lot of Filipino friends and even to this day, their grandparents still hate the Japanese. I rememeber something about Japanese promoting the India to try to get them to turn on the Brits, so Britian had to answer that with "you fight for us, and we'll give you your Independence after the war is over"
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fucking bastards killling so many innocent civilians! cud of bombed military bases instead!
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azntitanz wrote:


wingdavid01 wrote:

All I can say is that the Nazi Germans, and the Japanese Imperialist got owned!!!
But it sucked for the innocent people that died when the A-bombs fell. It was a wrong decision made by
that bastard Truman (may he rot in hell as I type). I think the Allies could have formed another less barbaric
plan to destroy what little power the Japanese had left. They were planning an invasion, but I wonder if
that invasion would prove to be the same as the A-bomb. I mean invasions are sick too, a lot of innocent people
would die as well, so the American's wanted an easy and fast way to end it. Since the Manhattan Project was
so successful Truman decided to test out the little boy and fat boy. A very bad decision, it still is the biggest
"WTF!!" by the U.S.


Gotta disagree with the use of the A-bomb. Yes, I know a lot of innocent people got killed, but you have to remember, there were more people lost in the traditional fire carpet bombing than were to with the A-bomb, all the A-bomb did was instead sending hundreds if not thousands of bombers on a bombing run, it reduced the number to one plane. You have to remember, back in WWII, strategies for winning a war was different, cities were fair targets to try to get the someone to surrender. And even after 2 A-bombs the Japanese were unwilling to quit, they only surrendered after the Russians declared war on them, so they figured it'd be better to surrender to the Americans than the Russians.



I don't know, the A-bomb was horrific, and it is true that carpet bombing did have a high toll, but the A-bomb left radiation, and the carpet bombing didn't. radiation killed many more after the bombs were dropped.
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China will never forget the nanking massacre
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wingdavid01 wrote:


azntitanz wrote:


wingdavid01 wrote:

All I can say is that the Nazi Germans, and the Japanese Imperialist got owned!!!
But it sucked for the innocent people that died when the A-bombs fell. It was a wrong decision made by
that bastard Truman (may he rot in hell as I type). I think the Allies could have formed another less barbaric
plan to destroy what little power the Japanese had left. They were planning an invasion, but I wonder if
that invasion would prove to be the same as the A-bomb. I mean invasions are sick too, a lot of innocent people
would die as well, so the American's wanted an easy and fast way to end it. Since the Manhattan Project was
so successful Truman decided to test out the little boy and fat boy. A very bad decision, it still is the biggest
"WTF!!" by the U.S.


Gotta disagree with the use of the A-bomb. Yes, I know a lot of innocent people got killed, but you have to remember, there were more people lost in the traditional fire carpet bombing than were to with the A-bomb, all the A-bomb did was instead sending hundreds if not thousands of bombers on a bombing run, it reduced the number to one plane. You have to remember, back in WWII, strategies for winning a war was different, cities were fair targets to try to get the someone to surrender. And even after 2 A-bombs the Japanese were unwilling to quit, they only surrendered after the Russians declared war on them, so they figured it'd be better to surrender to the Americans than the Russians.



I don't know, the A-bomb was horrific, and it is true that carpet bombing did have a high toll, but the A-bomb left radiation, and the carpet bombing didn't. radiation killed many more after the bombs were dropped.


The correct term I was thinking about earlier was incendiary bombing, and the two atomic bombs death toll was about 140,000 people in Hiroshima and 80,000 in Nagasaki by the end of 1945, and I know may more after that but the statistics of incendiary bombing was just as bad if not worst, we actually called them the fire raids.

March 10, 1945 - 334 B-29's formed the raid, 42 B-29's were damaged by flak. 14 were shot down with 5 of the crews were rescued.

Target Tokyo: 1,000,000+ people were made homeless. 100,000+ died, and 40,000+ were wounded.

Unexploded U.S. bombs were still being found and recovered in Tokyo as late as 2008
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A lot of people view history during the frame of when the event happened without looking into the events leading up to that point in time. Both America and Japan had imperialistic goals in Asia/The Pacific. It was only when Japan invaded China and French Indochina to control resources in the region when the US decided to embargo oil expose to Japan.. which only made Japan decide to get their resources from other parts of Asia. Tensions existed between the US and Japan since the twenties to the point where both knew that war was a possibility and decided to take precautions for it. Japan just decided to strike first.

As for dropping the atomic bombs, it might have been a necessary evil because there would've been far more casualities on both the Japanese and American side. The destruction of two cities isn't as bad as the potential destruction of a country, and I'm not saying this to sound like an arrogant American. Realistically, the Japanese force was pushed back past Okinawa, and the Unitied States had the option to invade the mainland of Japan, but the loss of life would have been staggering... Problem is thatthe US government believed that Japan would've fought bitterly if the US invaded the mainland, causing that said loss of life, but afterwards, reports stated that Japanese officials stated that they would've surrendered even if the atomic bombs were not dropped.

Who knows? That era was full of racism. Maybe the government wanted to erase the Japanese race off of the planet. I mean, Japanese-Americans were forced in concentration camps, and when they finally got home, a lot of their homes were vandalized.. Guess the saying that "War is hell" is true.
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On my opinion it was the Japanese's fault for bombing pearl harbor. If the americans did'nt nuke Japan the war would have continued and a lot more would have died. It's a good thing the japanese changed for the better.



It was a war out there so the Japanese wants to win and attacked Pearl Harbor which was strategically located.


But I red somewhere that the U.S. did'nt want to be involved in the war and the Japanese made the first move without declaring war.
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