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yeah i noticed that too... although he became a reporter thingy..
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We all say that Nathan is their mothers Chevalier... but couldn't it be possible that he was the Chevalier of their Aunt, making him their father?? I would think so.

I don't think Saya can kill her nieces, think of it this way. The mother must mate with an opposing Chevalier, the two girls now carry the blood of their mother and their aunts blood (from the opposing chevalier) which would mean the twins would have blood from their aunt and mother. I think that would mean that Diva's daughters have Saya's blood in them because their father was Saya's chevalier. In other words, Saya cannot kill her nieces and her nieces cannot kill Saya.

I too wonder where Saya and Diva's aunt is, but I'm guessing that she should just be presumed dead. I'm speculating that one killed the other and the one alive was killed by the other chevalier. Not saying that a chevalier can kill a Chiropteran, but maybe the chevalier had some of his queens blood and killed the other Chiropterans. Then again... maybe their aunt is alive and they don't know it

The whole twins must be female is just the writers preference. I'm guessing a girl must be born and so that means that chevaliers HAVE to be males so that a Chiropteran can mate.

I don't think a Chevalier can kill another Chevalier. Or else Hagi wouldn't have had to waist his time killing Amshel with Saya's blood, but he could have just killed Amshel earlier with his own blood.

The whole mother killing her own children, I don't believe it's possible because those children have their mothers blood.

I'm not 100% sure, but these are the most logical answers I can come up with ^_^


Sounds like a sound theory but becuase of the info presented from the anime I think it is safe to say and even with Nathans own wording that he is probably's Saya's and Diva's mother's chevalier. The assumption is only the opposing sister and her offspring could cause immediate harm to the other sisters chevalier. Even if they did mate the Queens blood outrules the paternal gene most likely.

Also some one mentioned that if Nathan was the father he would be dead like RIku. The only reason Riku dies during the unfortuante rape is becuase she fed him her blood but otherwise I don't think the act of having sex is what caused him to crystalize

I would very much like a continuation many questions could be clarified.
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Well, Nathan stated the he is Saya and Diva's mommy's chevalier, thus Saya's blood is also Nathan's blood and does not kill him.
When Saya sliced him into two, it didn't show that he crystallized.
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AleeceNoTenshi wrote:

We all say that Nathan is their mothers Chevalier... but couldn't it be possible that he was the Chevalier of their Aunt, making him their father?? I would think so.

I don't think Saya can kill her nieces, think of it this way. The mother must mate with an opposing Chevalier, the two girls now carry the blood of their mother and their aunts blood (from the opposing chevalier) which would mean the twins would have blood from their aunt and mother. I think that would mean that Diva's daughters have Saya's blood in them because their father was Saya's chevalier. In other words, Saya cannot kill her nieces and her nieces cannot kill Saya.

I too wonder where Saya and Diva's aunt is, but I'm guessing that she should just be presumed dead. I'm speculating that one killed the other and the one alive was killed by the other chevalier. Not saying that a chevalier can kill a Chiropteran, but maybe the chevalier had some of his queens blood and killed the other Chiropterans. Then again... maybe their aunt is alive and they don't know it

The whole twins must be female is just the writers preference. I'm guessing a girl must be born and so that means that chevaliers HAVE to be males so that a Chiropteran can mate.

I don't think a Chevalier can kill another Chevalier. Or else Hagi wouldn't have had to waist his time killing Amshel with Saya's blood, but he could have just killed Amshel earlier with his own blood.

The whole mother killing her own children, I don't believe it's possible because those children have their mothers blood.

I'm not 100% sure, but these are the most logical answers I can come up with ^_^


Sounds like a sound theory but becuase of the info presented from the anime I think it is safe to say and even with Nathans own wording that he is probably's Saya's and Diva's mother's chevalier. The assumption is only the opposing sister and her offspring could cause immediate harm to the other sisters chevalier. Even if they did mate the Queens blood outrules the paternal gene most likely.

Also some one mentioned that if Nathan was the father he would be dead like RIku. The only reason Riku dies during the unfortuante rape is becuase she fed him her blood but otherwise I don't think the act of having sex is what caused him to crystalize

I would very much like a continuation many questions could be clarified.


I feel like a, epic failure replying so late. My apologies, real life can be a royal pain in the arse >.<

Yes, but Nathan also mentions their 'mommy' and her Chevalier... which means that either A) The mother had more than one chevaliers or he is the chevalier of their aunt. I think this is one of those questions that will remained unsolved unless one of the creators finally speaks up (unless he has and I'm completly unaware of it >.<)

As I said, not 100% sure. It could be probable. I think the whole point of Blood + Is to show that in the end, the predominant trait is the one of the Queen, so I suppose you are right, The Queens blood rules.

Riku only died because she fed him her blood as a 'reward' (some reward :P). Also... why would Solomon so willingly want to be with Saya if he coudl die mating with her. Surely he doesn't love her to the extent he would die for her because of one... snuggle (Maybe for Diva he would since he's her Chevalier).

Once again... sorry for the late response >.<

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AleeceNoTenshi wrote:


Keone wrote:


AleeceNoTenshi wrote:

We all say that Nathan is their mothers Chevalier... but couldn't it be possible that he was the Chevalier of their Aunt, making him their father?? I would think so.

I don't think Saya can kill her nieces, think of it this way. The mother must mate with an opposing Chevalier, the two girls now carry the blood of their mother and their aunts blood (from the opposing chevalier) which would mean the twins would have blood from their aunt and mother. I think that would mean that Diva's daughters have Saya's blood in them because their father was Saya's chevalier. In other words, Saya cannot kill her nieces and her nieces cannot kill Saya.

I too wonder where Saya and Diva's aunt is, but I'm guessing that she should just be presumed dead. I'm speculating that one killed the other and the one alive was killed by the other chevalier. Not saying that a chevalier can kill a Chiropteran, but maybe the chevalier had some of his queens blood and killed the other Chiropterans. Then again... maybe their aunt is alive and they don't know it

The whole twins must be female is just the writers preference. I'm guessing a girl must be born and so that means that chevaliers HAVE to be males so that a Chiropteran can mate.

I don't think a Chevalier can kill another Chevalier. Or else Hagi wouldn't have had to waist his time killing Amshel with Saya's blood, but he could have just killed Amshel earlier with his own blood.

The whole mother killing her own children, I don't believe it's possible because those children have their mothers blood.

I'm not 100% sure, but these are the most logical answers I can come up with ^_^


Sounds like a sound theory but becuase of the info presented from the anime I think it is safe to say and even with Nathans own wording that he is probably's Saya's and Diva's mother's chevalier. The assumption is only the opposing sister and her offspring could cause immediate harm to the other sisters chevalier. Even if they did mate the Queens blood outrules the paternal gene most likely.

Also some one mentioned that if Nathan was the father he would be dead like RIku. The only reason Riku dies during the unfortuante rape is becuase she fed him her blood but otherwise I don't think the act of having sex is what caused him to crystalize

I would very much like a continuation many questions could be clarified.


I feel like a, epic failure replying so late. My apologies, real life can be a royal pain in the arse >.<

Yes, but Nathan also mentions their 'mommy' and her Chevalier... which means that either A) The mother had more than one chevaliers or he is the chevalier of their aunt. I think this is one of those questions that will remained unsolved unless one of the creators finally speaks up (unless he has and I'm completly unaware of it >.<)

As I said, not 100% sure. It could be probable. I think the whole point of Blood + Is to show that in the end, the predominant trait is the one of the Queen, so I suppose you are right, The Queens blood rules.

Riku only died because she fed him her blood as a 'reward' (some reward :P). Also... why would Solomon so willingly want to be with Saya if he coudl die mating with her. Surely he doesn't love her to the extent he would die for her because of one... snuggle (Maybe for Diva he would since he's her Chevalier).

Once again... sorry for the late response >.<



Sorry for sounding like a noob, but can't Saya kill her nieces without the blood and just the sword.
Passing that, we can never know... unless they make a sequel of some sort.
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confuser987 wrote:


AleeceNoTenshi wrote:


Keone wrote:


AleeceNoTenshi wrote:

We all say that Nathan is their mothers Chevalier... but couldn't it be possible that he was the Chevalier of their Aunt, making him their father?? I would think so.

I don't think Saya can kill her nieces, think of it this way. The mother must mate with an opposing Chevalier, the two girls now carry the blood of their mother and their aunts blood (from the opposing chevalier) which would mean the twins would have blood from their aunt and mother. I think that would mean that Diva's daughters have Saya's blood in them because their father was Saya's chevalier. In other words, Saya cannot kill her nieces and her nieces cannot kill Saya.

I too wonder where Saya and Diva's aunt is, but I'm guessing that she should just be presumed dead. I'm speculating that one killed the other and the one alive was killed by the other chevalier. Not saying that a chevalier can kill a Chiropteran, but maybe the chevalier had some of his queens blood and killed the other Chiropterans. Then again... maybe their aunt is alive and they don't know it

The whole twins must be female is just the writers preference. I'm guessing a girl must be born and so that means that chevaliers HAVE to be males so that a Chiropteran can mate.

I don't think a Chevalier can kill another Chevalier. Or else Hagi wouldn't have had to waist his time killing Amshel with Saya's blood, but he could have just killed Amshel earlier with his own blood.

The whole mother killing her own children, I don't believe it's possible because those children have their mothers blood.

I'm not 100% sure, but these are the most logical answers I can come up with ^_^


Sounds like a sound theory but becuase of the info presented from the anime I think it is safe to say and even with Nathans own wording that he is probably's Saya's and Diva's mother's chevalier. The assumption is only the opposing sister and her offspring could cause immediate harm to the other sisters chevalier. Even if they did mate the Queens blood outrules the paternal gene most likely.

Also some one mentioned that if Nathan was the father he would be dead like RIku. The only reason Riku dies during the unfortuante rape is becuase she fed him her blood but otherwise I don't think the act of having sex is what caused him to crystalize

I would very much like a continuation many questions could be clarified.


I feel like a, epic failure replying so late. My apologies, real life can be a royal pain in the arse >.<

Yes, but Nathan also mentions their 'mommy' and her Chevalier... which means that either A) The mother had more than one chevaliers or he is the chevalier of their aunt. I think this is one of those questions that will remained unsolved unless one of the creators finally speaks up (unless he has and I'm completly unaware of it >.<)

As I said, not 100% sure. It could be probable. I think the whole point of Blood + Is to show that in the end, the predominant trait is the one of the Queen, so I suppose you are right, The Queens blood rules.

Riku only died because she fed him her blood as a 'reward' (some reward :P). Also... why would Solomon so willingly want to be with Saya if he coudl die mating with her. Surely he doesn't love her to the extent he would die for her because of one... snuggle (Maybe for Diva he would since he's her Chevalier).

Once again... sorry for the late response >.<



Sorry for sounding like a noob, but can't Saya kill her nieces without the blood and just the sword.
Passing that, we can never know... unless they make a sequel of some sort.



If it were that easy, couldn't Diva have just been killed with just the sword? If that were to be true, then why couldn't Hagi have just killed Diva with just the sword?

The answer is no because I remember reading something that even an explosion from a bomb wouldn't kill the Chiropterans. Unless there is something about Chiropteran children not having any powers and are like normal children then maybe... but as you said the only way to know is if there is a sequel... but I don't think Saya will kill her nieces.
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This isn't really appropriate to the topic but I don't have enough CR points to start my own so...

Did nathan ever actually fight saya? Because unless ive missed an episode by accident, then they haven't, yet it shows them fighting in some of the opening sequences.

Also, what happened to the black chevalier(cant remember his name) in the end? Last I remember seeing him was when he was tormenting the Sif.

And with Nathan again, surely being cut in half is close enough to decapitation.

Alnd to contribute,
Saya doesn't need to use her blood to kill the nieces, as she could just mix theirs.
Its always twins so that they can reproduce.

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Saya never fought Nathan.

James is the Black Chevalier, and he died because of the Thorn that ended up in his system after replacing his limbs with sif limbs.


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Saya never fought Nathan.

James is the Black Chevalier, and he died because of the Thorn that ended up in his system after replacing his limbs with sif limbs.




Ever show him dying?
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I'm also wondering about that,,,he is acting weird from the start. well from what i've read and personally i think he is the chevalier of DIva's and Saya's mother. Well if he is the chevalier of the very first queen so probably the reason why he is still alive is that the first queen must have commanded him or requested him to watch for her daughters...Diva's loosing the power of her blood must be because she already past it on her daughters..well this is just what i think but,,,probably there are more interesting facts out there and i want to know it all...+)
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im thinking nathan is there real daddy. and he killed the mommy. jkjk, but yah i think he's the daddy of saya and diva. o.O and he's bi!!! i like it when hi younger bros step back when he gets annoyed. so cool.
i want there to be a season 2 so bad!
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sdjkfsfd I knew there was a reason for me to rewatch this series. I've thought about why Nathan didn't die, but never looked into it. Thank you for this post!

About why there are only queens and not 'kings': I always thought of chiropterans like bees. Queen chiropterans are like queen bees and chevaliers are like drone bees. The purpose of the drones are to fertilize the queen.
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i always thought that he was gay !

&i think i missed the part when nathan told
saya or diva or whatever that he was their
mother's chevalier . ''/ i just finished the series
after starting 2 days ago, too .

now i need to re-watch it -.-
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Yeah, he was shown dead.
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In one episode, Nathan Mahler speaks of being older than Saya and Diva (episode 49 I believe), and also speaks about their mother, and about Diva's prophecy. Then consider in the end when he speaks of Diva's blood having lost its power as if he'd known all along, along with the fact that he's clearly seen in the end having survived a brutal slash from Saya's blood coated sword, and it all hints to Nathan being Saya and Diva's mother's chevalier (thus his immunity to Saya's blood). This also goes far to explaining why, though he has affection for Diva, he is so "tranquil" as the current article phrases it. This is just me theorizing, but I suppose it could be possible that his true past was a secret from even Diva and Amshel (as in, he would've acted as though Diva turned him into a chevalier).


Yup, I think thats right.. and I think Nathan is the most mysterious charcter in the story... its soooo cool!!
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