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Who is the biggest Mary Sue?
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Indeed, I have no idea what a Mary Sue is, and the one on Wikipedia for the definition doesnt give me a good description.

From what i saw...it seemed like a Mary Sue is someone who has extreme characteristics or something.....dominating the spotlight....or too unrealitistic.

If thats the case, then I think many of the characters that people listed here could fit the bill.......but then again....if someone is normal.....cant they be extremely normal? If thats the case....than isnt everyone a Mary Sue?


When i first heard of Mary Sue....I thought of Ojou-sama type characters
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superluccix wrote:

Indeed, I have no idea what a Mary Sue is, and the one on Wikipedia for the definition doesnt give me a good description.

From what i saw...it seemed like a Mary Sue is someone who has extreme characteristics or something.....dominating the spotlight....or too unrealitistic.

If thats the case, then I think many of the characters that people listed here could fit the bill.......but then again....if someone is normal.....cant they be extremely normal? If thats the case....than isnt everyone a Mary Sue?


When i first heard of Mary Sue....I thought of Ojou-sama type characters

"Mary Sue" is a term that has become so over-extended and even misused in comparison to the original meaning that it is effectively now a throwaway character insult.

Although the term "Mary Sue" originated in Star Trek fan fiction (as Wikipedia no doubt mentions), it wasn't as if that type of character originated there, but the label certainly did. Originally, the term "Mary Sue" only applies to fan fiction characters. Of course, people like to adopt terms to similar circumstances that don't apply. Rather than create their own terminology, people started applying it to characters in non-fiction. Along the way, they also ignored that a "Mary Sue" character by definition cannot be the main character of the story, so anyone calling the character around which a story revolves (i.e, Sakura in Card Captor Sakura), is seriously abusing the term.

As I stated earlier, the term has become so misused that the common meaning now seems dangerously close to just being a synonym for "a character I don't like".

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As I stated earlier, the term has become so misused that the common meaning now seems dangerously close to just being a synonym for "a character I don't like".



Oh so this is a DUPE of the "Who is the biggest Whore" thread then?

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Yuki from Uraboku way too much.... well Gary Stu that is...he is so perfect and kind, everyone loves him to death, he can do no wrong.....let's not forget his dark past and mysterious power...
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Tohru from fruits basket,annoying as FUCK!

Euphemia li britannia , but u don't find her nearly as annoying as Tohru and she made a huge contribution to the Plot

I heard lacus clyne

Nia from gurren Lagann! Oh my god she is so fucking annoying and worst of all she is the replacement for one if the most gar characters ever!
The best character in the series if you will! And of course, she was no good
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Yuki from Uraboku
I know he's the main character, but it is NEVER a good sign when (about) 70% of the audience doesn't like him just because all of the characters won't even take a bathroom break all because they worry over him a little too much.
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Although the term "Mary Sue" originated in Star Trek fan fiction (as Wikipedia no doubt mentions), it wasn't as if that type of character originated there, but the label certainly did. Originally, the term "Mary Sue" only applies to fan fiction characters. Of course, people like to adopt terms to similar circumstances that don't apply. Rather than create their own terminology, people started applying it to characters in non-fiction. Along the way, they also ignored that a "Mary Sue" character by definition cannot be the main character of the story, so anyone calling the character around which a story revolves (i.e, Sakura in Card Captor Sakura), is seriously abusing the term.


THIS post for the win. Abused term is completely abused. As The Ancient One states:

Of course main characters' s series revolve around them. They're the f*cking main character. If it didn't, they'd be a MINOR character...herp derp! XD


As I stated earlier, the term has become so misused that the common meaning now seems dangerously close to just being a synonym for "a character I don't like".

QFT.


Euphemia li britannia , but u don't find her nearly as annoying as Tohru and she made a huge contribution to the Plot


............and Tooru didn't?




Nia from gurren Lagann! Oh my god she is so fucking annoying and worst of all she is the replacement for one if the most gar characters ever!
The best character in the series if you will! And of course, she was no good


Nia, "no good"? Nia was the ONLY thing that was able to move Simon forward! She gave him his strength and without her, everyone would've been COMPLETELY screwed.
I love Kamina too (who doesn't?) but Nia certainly isn't his replacement. Nobody can replace Kamina-not even Simon and that was the whole point.
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FROM WIKI: A "canon Sue" may refer to a character whose canon portrayal itself is seen as a "Mary Sue", rather than a character who has been altered in fan fiction. Typically, this refers to a character accused of being overly idealized or having other traits traditionally associated with fan fiction "Mary Sues", such as being "special" by having a gratuitously tragic past, unrealistic skills, or a seeming inability for the character to do wrong.

Mary Sue/Gary Stu are not necessarily annoying characters, rather they are idealized. They have flaws, but not any serious ones. Most of the time they have very upbeat personalities, they are gifted at many things, or special in some way. These characters are often put into unbelievable situations. I have liked a lot of these characters on my list, so I am not putting them down in any way.

MARY SUE:

Kagome- Inuyasha
Tohru- Fruits Basket
Yuuki- Vampire Knight
Sailor Moon
Miaka -Fushigi Yugi
Kyoko- Skip Beat
Sawako -Kimi ni Todoki
Kahoko Hino -La Corda d’Oro
Sakura Mikan -Gakuen Alice
Hikari -Special A
Kotoko Aihara -Itazura na Kiss
Misaki- Angelic Layer
Nana K (Hachi) -Nana


GARY STU:

Naruto
Saito -Zero no Tsukaima
Yuki -Uraboku
Kei- Special A
Yuki -Fruits Basket
Koyuki -Beck Mongolian Chop Squad
Kazehaya -Kimi ni Todoke
Tamaki -Ouran
Tuxedo mask -Sailor Moon
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Sailor Moon? I dunno, I never watched the full series but the first episode made me think so >>


Having seen the entire anime (the orignal that is, not the 2nd worst anime dub of all time), Sailor Moon is clearly not a mary sue. I'd love if someone would explain to me how she is.

Although one of my otaku sailor senshi was labeled one.

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TheAncientOne

Although the term "Mary Sue" originated in Star Trek fan fiction (as Wikipedia no doubt mentions), it wasn't as if that type of character originated there, but the label certainly did. Originally, the term "Mary Sue" only applies to fan fiction characters. Of course, people like to adopt terms to similar circumstances that don't apply. Rather than create their own terminology, people started applying it to characters in non-fiction. Along the way, they also ignored that a "Mary Sue" character by definition cannot be the main character of the story, so anyone calling the character around which a story revolves (i.e, Sakura in Card Captor Sakura), is seriously abusing the term.


THIS post for the win. Abused term is completely abused. As The Ancient One states:

Of course main characters' s series revolve around them. They're the f*cking main character. If it didn't, they'd be a MINOR character...herp derp! XD


As I stated earlier, the term has become so misused that the common meaning now seems dangerously close to just being a synonym for "a character I don't like".

QFT.


Euphemia li britannia , but u don't find her nearly as annoying as Tohru and she made a huge contribution to the Plot


............and Tooru didn't?

No I just don't like Tohru, she's zoo annoying that it seems like she was intentionally doing itt




Nia from gurren Lagann! Oh my god she is so fucking annoying and worst of all she is the replacement for one if the most gar characters ever!
The best character in the series if you will! And of course, she was no good


Nia, "no good"? Nia was the ONLY thing that was able to move Simon forward! She gave him his strength and without her, everyone would've been COMPLETELY screwed.
I love Kamina too (who doesn't?) but Nia certainly isn't his replacement. Nobody can replace Kamina-not even Simon and that was the whole point.


Well nia appeared eight after kamina died and also appeared in the opninstead of him, she essentially replaced kamina
But yeah, no one could have replaced him, not even Simon after he manned up
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:
Oh so this is a DUPE of the "Who is the biggest Whore" thread then?


It isn't there yet, since most people posting here at least seem to believe they are using the term correctly.

When I was younger and more naive, I believed that the increasing speed and ease of communication would result in languages changing more slowly, as usage would stay in sync across broader regions. Instead, it has caused it to mutate faster than influenza.

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TheAncientOne wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:
Oh so this is a DUPE of the "Who is the biggest Whore" thread then?


It isn't there yet, since most people posting here at least seem to believe they are using the term correctly.

When I was younger and more naive, I believed that the increasing speed and ease of communication would result in languages changing more slowly, as usage would stay in sync across broader regions. Instead, it has caused it to mutate faster than influenza.



Which doesn't help communication at all.

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TheAncientOne wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:
Oh so this is a DUPE of the "Who is the biggest Whore" thread then?


It isn't there yet, since most people posting here at least seem to believe they are using the term correctly.

When I was younger and more naive, I believed that the increasing speed and ease of communication would result in languages changing more slowly, as usage would stay in sync across broader regions. Instead, it has caused it to mutate faster than influenza.



What I find ironic is in debates about proper grammar and spelling and standard usages of words the very same people who say things like "Who cares? you know what I mean." are in other threads saying things like "It's ANIME ANIME!!! not cartoons. Get it right!"


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