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Religion a cause for World ills?, or a spiritual refuge that ascertain existence
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organized religion is a bad joke on mankind.


LOL damn right . you preach it sister !!

oh and that whole thing about religion dictates that violence is forbidden . well technically there was a mix up in translation, they now believe that killing was very acceptable, and in fact required to deal out discipline and all that good stuff, but to murder was forbidden, they didnt want people running around killing for no reason, so they put that "commandment"

ohhh the hypocrisies of it all !
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On one hand, individuals bear responsibility for their actions in general (certain moral dilemmas excluded); on the other, one's environment cannot be ignored as part of what shapes his identity. I know that it can be difficult to escape general philosophies of absolutes and rhetoric when they are constantly being pounded into one's head, but I can only imagine what it's like for one raised by extremists. Eliminating part of the source might not eliminate the entirety of the problem, but it would certainly help individuals to realize the freedom they have, which would in turn make them responsible for their actions.
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Well with the genocidal antic in mind that are being incepted within Darfur.Religion plays an extreme roll into discretional thought's as to why should we eliminate this faction or the protruding question does this comply with our religion.The Arabian goverment( Islamic are currently slaughtering African Arab's due to a falcified conduct , from the koran that in order to be of this religion one must be Arabic.(Pure).This is not the really instation of the koran keep in mind they are thousands of different inversion of the koran and many are corrupted and distorted.The true meaning of Islam was based upon Muhammad principle of equality sterning that all societies are equal.After his death though reformity occured reacerning the whole definition of Islam in accordance to the west.(Not all of Islam is corrupted they are still some of the original documents as well as varied sectated movements which indite in equality).
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Well with the genocidal antic in mind that are being incepted within Darfur.Religion plays an extreme roll into discretional thought's as to why should we eliminate this faction or the protruding question does this comply with our religion.The Arabian goverment( Islamic are currently slaughtering African Arab's due to a falcified conduct , from the koran that in order to be of this religion one must be Arabic.(Pure).This is not the really instation of the koran keep in mind they are thousands of different inversion of the koran and many are corrupted and distorted.The true meaning of Islam was based upon Muhammad principle of equality sterning that all societies are equal.After his death though reformity occured reacerning the whole definition of Islam in accordance to the west.(Not all of Islam is corrupted they are still some of the original documents as well as varied sectated movements which indite in equality).


what did you hear this "pure arab" crap. and actually Islam unlike christianity and judaism still have the holy book uncorrupted. There is only one version of the Qur'an in the world anybody who tells you otherwise is a liar. And one last thing at the moment there is no such thing as the arabian govermaent.

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okay
im a christian
my gf is Wiccan, and im seriously worried about the afterlife/hell/etc. that well go to
so im kinda lost, and yeah.....religion CAN be blamed, but it really shouldnt be blamed for anything


If religion can be blamed, then it should be blamed.
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yosef wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:

Well with the genocidal antic in mind that are being incepted within Darfur.Religion plays an extreme roll into discretional thought's as to why should we eliminate this faction or the protruding question does this comply with our religion.The Arabian goverment( Islamic are currently slaughtering African Arab's due to a falcified conduct , from the koran that in order to be of this religion one must be Arabic.(Pure).This is not the really instation of the koran keep in mind they are thousands of different inversion of the koran and many are corrupted and distorted.The true meaning of Islam was based upon Muhammad principle of equality sterning that all societies are equal.After his death though reformity occured reacerning the whole definition of Islam in accordance to the west.(Not all of Islam is corrupted they are still some of the original documents as well as varied sectated movements which indite in equality).


what did you hear this "pure arab" crap. and actually Islam unlike christianity and judaism still have the holy book uncorrupted. There is only one version of the Qur'an in the world anybody who tells you otherwise is a liar. And one last thing at the moment there is no such thing as the arabian govermaent.



I never said they didnt?.They are several serialized versions which differ per mosque(Usually).I know i actually prefer the Islamic religion over Christianity or Judaism.Nobody told me i just heard it from the new's an Islamic professor that they are some extreme versions from Koran its called the news<_<.Historcal books?.Try the Sudan Goverment and Moroccan Goverment.I know someone who lives in Morocco and yes its controlled by the Arabs at this moment.So what about Saudi Arabia? ermm a what goverment lol.That's nonsensical <_<.I agree that the basism for the Islamic religion has more purity then the other two religions that nominally stated , but intern their's also some enigmatic and extreme versions.
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WHITEbReAd wrote:

okay
im a christian
my gf is Wiccan, and im seriously worried about the afterlife/hell/etc. that well go to
so im kinda lost, and yeah.....religion CAN be blamed, but it really shouldnt be blamed for anything


If religion can be blamed, then it should be blamed.


thanks for being respectful to other's beleifs
but whatever
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WHITEbReAd wrote:


hyenas wrote:


WHITEbReAd wrote:

okay
im a christian
my gf is Wiccan, and im seriously worried about the afterlife/hell/etc. that well go to
so im kinda lost, and yeah.....religion CAN be blamed, but it really shouldnt be blamed for anything


If religion can be blamed, then it should be blamed.


thanks for being respectful to other's beleifs
but whatever


she's being respectful religion has caused so many people to die when infact never shoulders any blame<_<. I do agree that it should have been less directive.
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Religon? yu cant blame religon. so yu sayin religon is tellin yu to make da world messed up? we can blame ppl who r so into dere religon dey can accept any other religon and thus be crazy. dats called blamin extremest wateva dey called not religon.


I can, in fact, blame religion. Religion may not say, in so many words "make the world fucked up," but when followed to the letter, that is the general result. All of the Abrahamic religions forbid their followers to "accept" the religions of others. All "extremists" are are people who follow their religions to the letter, without ignoring certain passages just because they are not compatible with modern society. In a way, I have more respect for the extremists than the "moderates," because at least they're honest about their religion being wholly incompatible with modern values. Moderates cherry-pick and only follow the verses that fit in a modern, humanistic, post-enlightenment society. Moderate Christians, for instance, will happily ignore most of Leviticus, which is one of the goriest, most totalitarian, human-rights abusing screeds ever written.

The Bible condones genocide and slavery, and is the source of homophobia, antisemitism and sexism. It is full of assertions which have been counter-proven by science, making it an enemy of science and rational thought. It is the reason people are trying to get creationism taught in public schools. Religion is the reason why Bush tried to block AIDS drugs from getting to Africa, and is trying to get schools over here to teach "abstinence only" education, which is a complete failure. It's the reason why gay couples can't get married in most states, and up until a few years ago, they could get arrested for making love in their own apartment. It's the reason women are stoned to death in Islamic countries, and gays are stoned to death for being what they were born as. I's the reason for the Inquisition, during which thousands of Jews, Muslims and alleged witches and heretics were tortured and burned, and is the root cause of the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Religion brought us the Passion plays, which were performed throughout Medieval Europe, in which the Jews are blamed for the death of Christ. These plays were usually followed by pogroms. Religion was used as a justification by Southern slave-holders before the Civil War.
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yosef wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:

Well with the genocidal antic in mind that are being incepted within Darfur.Religion plays an extreme roll into discretional thought's as to why should we eliminate this faction or the protruding question does this comply with our religion.The Arabian goverment( Islamic are currently slaughtering African Arab's due to a falcified conduct , from the koran that in order to be of this religion one must be Arabic.(Pure).This is not the really instation of the koran keep in mind they are thousands of different inversion of the koran and many are corrupted and distorted.The true meaning of Islam was based upon Muhammad principle of equality sterning that all societies are equal.After his death though reformity occured reacerning the whole definition of Islam in accordance to the west.(Not all of Islam is corrupted they are still some of the original documents as well as varied sectated movements which indite in equality).


what did you hear this "pure arab" crap. and actually Islam unlike christianity and judaism still have the holy book uncorrupted. There is only one version of the Qur'an in the world anybody who tells you otherwise is a liar. And one last thing at the moment there is no such thing as the arabian govermaent.



I never said they didnt?.They are several serialized versions which differ per mosque(Usually).I know i actually prefer the Islamic religion over Christianity or Judaism.Nobody told me i just heard it from the new's an Islamic professor that they are some extreme versions from Koran its called the news<_<.Historcal books?.Try the Sudan Goverment and Moroccan Goverment.I know someone who lives in Morocco and yes its controlled by the Arabs at this moment.So what about Saudi Arabia? ermm a what goverment lol.That's nonsensical <_<.I agree that the basism for the Islamic religion has more purity then the other two religions that nominally stated , but intern their's also some enigmatic and extreme versions.


sorry, i missunderstood what you were saying about the arabian goverment.
but, you should know that arabs are a race. so i think it would be more specific if you said a country name.
As for the holy Qur'an i am 100% certain that there is is only one original version, which is in arabic.
There maybe a lot of translations out there in different languages, but just one in arabic, And it has been the same for 1400 years.
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yosef wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:


yosef wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:

Well with the genocidal antic in mind that are being incepted within Darfur.Religion plays an extreme roll into discretional thought's as to why should we eliminate this faction or the protruding question does this comply with our religion.The Arabian goverment( Islamic are currently slaughtering African Arab's due to a falcified conduct , from the koran that in order to be of this religion one must be Arabic.(Pure).This is not the really instation of the koran keep in mind they are thousands of different inversion of the koran and many are corrupted and distorted.The true meaning of Islam was based upon Muhammad principle of equality sterning that all societies are equal.After his death though reformity occured reacerning the whole definition of Islam in accordance to the west.(Not all of Islam is corrupted they are still some of the original documents as well as varied sectated movements which indite in equality).


what did you hear this "pure arab" crap. and actually Islam unlike christianity and judaism still have the holy book uncorrupted. There is only one version of the Qur'an in the world anybody who tells you otherwise is a liar. And one last thing at the moment there is no such thing as the arabian govermaent.



I never said they didnt?.They are several serialized versions which differ per mosque(Usually).I know i actually prefer the Islamic religion over Christianity or Judaism.Nobody told me i just heard it from the new's an Islamic professor that they are some extreme versions from Koran its called the news<_<.Historcal books?.Try the Sudan Goverment and Moroccan Goverment.I know someone who lives in Morocco and yes its controlled by the Arabs at this moment.So what about Saudi Arabia? ermm a what goverment lol.That's nonsensical <_<.I agree that the basism for the Islamic religion has more purity then the other two religions that nominally stated , but intern their's also some enigmatic and extreme versions.


sorry, i missunderstood what you were saying about the arabian goverment.
but, you should know that arabs are a race. so i think it would be more specific if you said a country name.
As for the holy Qur'an i am 100% certain that there is is only one original version, which is in arabic.
There maybe a lot of translations out there in different languages, but just one in arabic, And it has been the same for 1400 years.


Your talking about the true Koran and i completely agree.Do to others personal means sand dieties other introversions have been created.I respect the islamic religion i really do.I just hope that the minority stop these tangible and feeble actions.
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litax93 wrote:

Religon? yu cant blame religon. so yu sayin religon is tellin yu to make da world messed up? we can blame ppl who r so into dere religon dey can accept any other religon and thus be crazy. dats called blamin extremest wateva dey called not religon.


I can, in fact, blame religion. Religion may not say, in so many words "make the world fucked up," but when followed to the letter, that is the general result. All of the Abrahamic religions forbid their followers to "accept" the religions of others. All "extremists" are are people who follow their religions to the letter, without ignoring certain passages just because they are not compatible with modern society. In a way, I have more respect for the extremists than the "moderates," because at least they're honest about their religion being wholly incompatible with modern values. Moderates cherry-pick and only follow the verses that fit in a modern, humanistic, post-enlightenment society. Moderate Christians, for instance, will happily ignore most of Leviticus, which is one of the goriest, most totalitarian, human-rights abusing screeds ever written.

The Bible condones genocide and slavery, and is the source of homophobia, antisemitism and sexism. It is full of assertions which have been counter-proven by science, making it an enemy of science and rational thought. It is the reason people are trying to get creationism taught in public schools. Religion is the reason why Bush tried to block AIDS drugs from getting to Africa, and is trying to get schools over here to teach "abstinence only" education, which is a complete failure. It's the reason why gay couples can't get married in most states, and up until a few years ago, they could get arrested for making love in their own apartment. It's the reason women are stoned to death in Islamic countries, and gays are stoned to death for being what they were born as. I's the reason for the Inquisition, during which thousands of Jews, Muslims and alleged witches and heretics were tortured and burned, and is the root cause of the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Religion brought us the Passion plays, which were performed throughout Medieval Europe, in which the Jews are blamed for the death of Christ. These plays were usually followed by pogroms. Religion was used as a justification by Southern slave-holders before the Civil War.


I agree the Pope during World War 11 fully emassiated the usage of genocidal antics.Well during the start of World war II.He also named Hitler as an honorary Catholic.
Posted 6/5/08
well....in a sense religion is to blame for so many useless wars and hate in the world...isnt religion supposed to unite the world not seperate it....


but i have seen how people do change their lives for the better...they have left reckless behaviors that would previously hurt their family.....


but still............
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Bleachloverf wrote:


yosef wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:


yosef wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:

Well with the genocidal antic in mind that are being incepted within Darfur.Religion plays an extreme roll into discretional thought's as to why should we eliminate this faction or the protruding question does this comply with our religion.The Arabian goverment( Islamic are currently slaughtering African Arab's due to a falcified conduct , from the koran that in order to be of this religion one must be Arabic.(Pure).This is not the really instation of the koran keep in mind they are thousands of different inversion of the koran and many are corrupted and distorted.The true meaning of Islam was based upon Muhammad principle of equality sterning that all societies are equal.After his death though reformity occured reacerning the whole definition of Islam in accordance to the west.(Not all of Islam is corrupted they are still some of the original documents as well as varied sectated movements which indite in equality).


what did you hear this "pure arab" crap. and actually Islam unlike christianity and judaism still have the holy book uncorrupted. There is only one version of the Qur'an in the world anybody who tells you otherwise is a liar. And one last thing at the moment there is no such thing as the arabian govermaent.



I never said they didnt?.They are several serialized versions which differ per mosque(Usually).I know i actually prefer the Islamic religion over Christianity or Judaism.Nobody told me i just heard it from the new's an Islamic professor that they are some extreme versions from Koran its called the news<_<.Historcal books?.Try the Sudan Goverment and Moroccan Goverment.I know someone who lives in Morocco and yes its controlled by the Arabs at this moment.So what about Saudi Arabia? ermm a what goverment lol.That's nonsensical <_<.I agree that the basism for the Islamic religion has more purity then the other two religions that nominally stated , but intern their's also some enigmatic and extreme versions.


sorry, i missunderstood what you were saying about the arabian goverment.
but, you should know that arabs are a race. so i think it would be more specific if you said a country name.
As for the holy Qur'an i am 100% certain that there is is only one original version, which is in arabic.
There maybe a lot of translations out there in different languages, but just one in arabic, And it has been the same for 1400 years.


Your talking about the true Koran and i completely agree.Do to others personal means sand dieties other introversions have been created.I respect the islamic religion i really do.I just hope that the minority stop these tangible and feeble actions.


I am not trying to be disrespectful, but i am 100% sure that the arabic (original) qur'an has not changed. And it the same as it was when first revealed to the prophet (p.b.u.h). And i heard that there are a few qur'ans dating back to the seventh century that are still here today. Anyway what you should know that muslims memorise the qur'an as we see it as God's word. So any changes made to it will be noticed. Anyway I think we're going off topic. And i will end by saying that i respect your opinion, but i don't agree with it.

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Religion isn't really the one to blame here.

It's the assholes who can't fucking read and care more about who people screw in bed.

"thou shall not kill"

*someone gets stoned*
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