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Religion a cause for World ills?, or a spiritual refuge that ascertain existence
Posted 5/2/09
"in this century" as opposed to any other century? hah

I'd have to disagree with their statement, tho. Religion has played an integral part in society's cohesion for a very long time. To say that it's the cause of ills, of course, would be a correct statement as well. A "perfect" form of governance doesn't exist. Religion and how it effects the individual is just that, how it effects the individual. The pros and cons of any thing, in this case religion, are simply a reflection of the pros and cons inherent to humanity.
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Humans also wrote and came up with the theories and discovered scientific laws. If mankind is capable of obtaining truth and real knowledge then there is a chance that the Bible is not flawed. I do believe that the Bible is not flawed in anyway and that each book was inspired by the One and Only Holy Spirit of God. Not all things man has done have been flawed, but mankind is flawed by nature. The Bible was meant to be understood and followed. Not everything is literal (like some of the imaging done in visions, especially in the books of Revelation and Daniel). And we have thousands of copies of ancient Biblical manuscripts, if someone changes it then Bible scholars can correct them by showing what we have in the ancient scripts. We do have a reference to what the originals truly said.


Yes but scientific laws have been verified, the bible has not, some of it has even been disproven.



And there are several ways to interpret the Bible, but only One Truth. To truly understand scripture you have to let the Holy Spirit guide you and base all of your Christian theology on scripture and make judgments based on the Bible as a whole and not just one or two verses. The Bible gives us all we can know about the Mind of God.


There are hundreds if not thousands of ways to interpret the bible, nobody is going to interpret it the exact same was as something else.



And being a sadist is a sin because it's wickedness. I believe in the Morals that God has instilled within us and wants us to follow, and sadism is against those morals.


Bah, who cares, even if it is a sin, whats that matter, then all you have to do is repent and your fine. I'd rather live my life the way I want to then live my live based off of some book. Morals and things don't really matter.


And God is going to create a New Earth and a New Heaven It's in Revelation. You can choose to not believe in the Bible, but it doesn't make it false, look at the prophecies that were said and have been fulfilled, and then look at the prophecies to come and see how they are being fulfilled. Here is a good article on why the Bible is true historically and prophetically. http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t003.html


And you can choose to believe in the bible, but that doesn't make it true.


^(Tries to say this with utmost respect) I am not butt-hurt over his views nor am I trying to personally attack him. There is nothing wrong with respectful debate. And I don't see how believing 100% in the Bible makes me an extremist, it just makes me a Christian. My goal isn't to fight with people, but to defend my views and hopefully engage in respectful debate that brings mutual enlightenment to all involved.


You don't even have to use respect when talking to me, It won't matter to me. Be disrespectful as you want to be. I don't much care either way.


The Bible has been verified, but people choose to ignore the evidence (check the link I posted earlier about historicity and prophecies in the Bible). Things were prophesied about and the happened just as the Bible said they would. History proves this.

And I know that my opinion doesn't make the Bible true, the contents of the Bible do that by nature, I was stating that not believing in the Bible doesn't make it false.

And I do respect you, not just because the Bible calls to love and respect all people, but also because I agree some of what you have said in other forum topics.


Oh ? So the earth was created in a day ? The sun in a day as well ? We know how stars and planets form, there not simply created in a day. Since we know how stars and planets form as we have seen them forming, we know this to be false, hence part of the bible has been disproven. If god did create this universe he merely created the 2 elements hydrogen and helium, because all other elements (including the ones humans, trees, planets, and so on are made of) were created as in a star/supernova. through thermonuclear fusion. So we know this concept of god creating manking to also be false, as we are merely stardust.


It could have been, part of being God means being able to do anything. God is not limited by space and time, He created them and can work without them limiting His Power. However some Christians view Genesis as a metaphor but still hold that creation happened that way, just not with literal days.

And we don't know how stars and planets form, we just have theories. We have never observed a star being created or a planet being created. Scientists speculate how they may have been created within the context of the big bang theory.

And God could have created all elements, just because we may think stars can make all the elements doesn't mean they did. And even so how did hydrogen and helium come into existence independent of any other power or any will?


But it wasn't, the earth took millions if not billions of years to collect all its material out of the solar nebula from which it was born. And we know stars create heavier elements because we can see them in the stars by observing its spectrum, luminosity and motion through space. We can physically see the heavier elements being created by the star. So we know that heavier elements up to iron were created in stars, everything heavier then iron was created in supernova as a supermassive star does not have enough energy to fuse any element heavier than iron. So yes it means almost everything heavier then Hydrogen and Helium (this includes planets, people, trees, oxygen and so on) were created by fusion.


We don't know that to be true, in fact there is evidence that states that the earth cannot be that old. http://toptenproofs.com/article_youngearth.php
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/earthage.html



The earth isn't 2000 years old, it'd billions of years, we've dated rocks back almost that far, so that evidence is bullshit. The earth is billions of years old. And we've dated fossils back further then 2000 years, we've dated fossils back millions of years. So again that "evidence" is meaningless.
Posted 5/2/09 , edited 5/2/09

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We don't know that to be true, in fact there is evidence that states that the earth cannot be that old. http://toptenproofs.com/article_youngearth.php
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/earthage.html



I just read through a bit of that first article. And then researched the "Polystrate trees" it was referencing. There is no conclusive evidence to assume the age of the earth could be based upon their existence...

Also.. LOLOL.. what those articles say is akin to the Earth being the center of the universe! To say that the Earth began around the same moment as recorded history is ABSURD. "I see the stars and the sun.. they obviously revolved around me!" C'mon, people..

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Posted 10/6/12
A tad bit confused how I got to the 11th page and we're talking about the consistency of the Bible/Earth's age as opposed to the title of the thread LOL

But as a Catholic there a couple of things I want to say.

Religion is not to blame for the world's ills. As far fetched as I believe this idea to be, I also see why people would correlate religion to the world's ills. A cliched comment would be "its the extremists that give us a bad name" and when I say us I mean any religion that has had this tag put onto them. You believe in the Bible, you probably think I'm going to Hell. You read the Quran, you are plotting things against me.

Religions have a set of rules that you abide by. These rules can either come straight from religious text to be taken literally (for example the Ten Commandments comes to mind as me being a Catholic) but they can also come from a higher authority that is working to ensure the rules in the religious texts are being abided by. That's where the complexities wreck havoc. Since when did I have to condemn my fellow friends who may be non-believers simply because I am Catholic or Muslim or Hindu? Since when should I resort to violence in order to bring salvation to non-believers? Yes there are harsh consequences to the things we do that are out of line with what we believe when we put ourselves into our religion (In Catholicism this would be Hell among other things), but when did we start self-applying these consequences onto others who have done nothing wrong?
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