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Religion a cause for World ills?, or a spiritual refuge that ascertain existence
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...and honestly u cant really blame religion, but people's belief...


That sentence makes no sense. Religion is a belief.



as for moderates and extremists...the bible can be interpreted in many ways...no two people read the bible alike...


You do realize that you're admitting that the Bible is vague as hell, and is rendered meaningless by widely contradictory interpretations. Why should anyone base their life on a document which essentially says whatever you want it to say?


Religion is a way of life. Its far more then a beleif.
the bible can be vague to those who dont understand it, but its not meaningless to those who understand, so there r over a million denominations of christians? Each has thier very own purpose and meaning.Every person in the world bases thier lives on some form of knowlege. That knowlege is then processed into the choices wether or not to believe it, and people tend to see the same thing in different ways. Look at this, what do u see here? OO

Some may say they see two O's, others a pair of eyes, some see two 0's, some may even see one O in two places at the same time. you can interpret OO any way your want, there is no right or wrong answer. Its the same way with the Bible, people dont mulnipulate the words of the Bible when try to interpret it, they only read it as they see it. Psychologist use the same thoery when they throw ink blots on a peice of paper and tell people to tell them what they see. There is no right or wrong answer, people simply tell them what they see, they dont mulnipulate the ink to see what they want to see...

the universe is filled with infinite possiblities, no human truly follows perfected knowlege. We are flawed beings and we flaw what ever we get our hands on.You can argue what "better" knowlege there is to follow, but over all what works for some people doesnt work for others. We each have to see the world through our own windows of understanding. If we all look through the same window, we r blind to the other possibilies that other windows might show.This is what makes us human...There is some true in all forms of knowlege.Why not take the truths you beleive in from where ever you can get it? peace over war
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you can't blame it on religion, you can only blame it on people who misinterpret religion
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i am SO not suprised.

i personally think WWIII is already under-way between the secular west and islamic nations primarily in the middle east. the west has an advantage in resources, technology, and training, but suffer from a lack of popular support and an expensive military machine, while the middle east has little but its poverty to provide soldiers and its faith to inspire them. suffering from a lack of resources and training they have already been known to resort to scare tactics, not to harm enemy soldiers but to weaken the morale of the population supporting them, until morale breaks and the people force the soldiers to retreat.


religion shall be the bane of mankind


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okay
im a christian
my gf is Wiccan, and im seriously worried about the afterlife/hell/etc. that well go to
so im kinda lost, and yeah.....religion CAN be blamed, but it really shouldnt be blamed for anything


Listen, there is no afterlife, there is not a Heaven or a Hell, and even if there was, she wouldn't go to hell just for being a different religion than you. Christianity is not the only religion out there, Even as an atheist that comment annoyed me.


Well, whats your view on religion being blame for all the world's problems? peace over war
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They blame faith cause they dont have any
Posted 10/5/08
Lol Sure if you got nobody left to blame lets blame religion, or blame me see if I give a shit
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JJT2 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


WHITEbReAd wrote:

okay
im a christian
my gf is Wiccan, and im seriously worried about the afterlife/hell/etc. that well go to
so im kinda lost, and yeah.....religion CAN be blamed, but it really shouldnt be blamed for anything


Listen, there is no afterlife, there is not a Heaven or a Hell, and even if there was, she wouldn't go to hell just for being a different religion than you. Christianity is not the only religion out there, Even as an atheist that comment annoyed me.


Well, whats your view on religion being blame for all the world's problems? peace over war


Its not all of the problems, but you an blame it for some of em.
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Posted 10/20/08
Cynically speaking,religion has saved the word. Since religion has started enough wars to kill,lets say 10 billion people over the course of history,give or take.That lack of...culling so to say,would mean more people which would drain a lot of resources and of course,that means more fighting.
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Well i read a new's article in Mclain's magazine about a new movement blaming all the World's ills on Religion which in this century really is interconnected to society.




lmao, just as Americans blame all of the shit that happens on Eminem and rap music...and i live in a secular society, so that has nothing to do with my ill's...peace over war
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Allhailodin wrote:


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Allhailodin wrote:


WHITEbReAd wrote:

okay
im a christian
my gf is Wiccan, and im seriously worried about the afterlife/hell/etc. that well go to
so im kinda lost, and yeah.....religion CAN be blamed, but it really shouldnt be blamed for anything


Listen, there is no afterlife, there is not a Heaven or a Hell, and even if there was, she wouldn't go to hell just for being a different religion than you. Christianity is not the only religion out there, Even as an atheist that comment annoyed me.


Well, whats your view on religion being blame for all the world's problems? peace over war


Its not all of the problems, but you an blame it for some of em.


u really cant blame religion at all, but people...because we can just as easily blame polictics, science, art, music, just about everything on some ill wills of the people...ultimatly we have to blame ourselves and strive to perfect and understand what we already know and learn what we dont know.If u want to make the world a better place, then start with yourself instead of pointing fingers...peace over war
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JJT2 wrote:


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WHITEbReAd wrote:

okay
im a christian
my gf is Wiccan, and im seriously worried about the afterlife/hell/etc. that well go to
so im kinda lost, and yeah.....religion CAN be blamed, but it really shouldnt be blamed for anything


Listen, there is no afterlife, there is not a Heaven or a Hell, and even if there was, she wouldn't go to hell just for being a different religion than you. Christianity is not the only religion out there, Even as an atheist that comment annoyed me.


Well, whats your view on religion being blame for all the world's problems? peace over war


Its not all of the problems, but you an blame it for some of em.


u really cant blame religion at all, but people...because we can just as easily blame polictics, science, art, music, just about everything on some ill wills of the people...ultimatly we have to blame ourselves and strive to perfect and understand what we already know and learn what we dont know.If u want to make the world a better place, then start with yourself instead of pointing fingers...peace over war


Yes you can blame religion, its started many wars, and tons of conflicts that bordered becoming wars. Religion will continue to start many more conflicts that may become wars in the future. The people were just pawns in the wars/conflicts started by religion, to be honest the world would be a much better place if man never invented the concept of "God" and thus many religions would have never been created. People don't need "god" to do anything, If you need "god" to do anything, your a fucking moron who is truly incapable of being independent, people would be much better off without "god" as there would be less conflicts and much less disagreements would occur. Since man created the concept of "God", man should also destroy the concept of "god" as well. The world would overall be a much better place without god in the long run.
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Well i read a new's article in Mclaiin's magazine about a new movement blaming all the World's ills on Religion which in this century really is interconnected to society.




lmao, just as Americans blame all of the shit that happens on Eminem and rap music...and i live in a secular society, so that has nothing to do with my ill's...peace over war


Ok, first off Eminem is a fucking dumbass who makes downright horrible music. So blaming an idiot accomplishes absolutely nothing. Rap music in general is downright pointless and stupid, well at least the new crap is, some of the old hip hop was actually decent and used actual words. And as for me, i dont care what kinda society I live in or what is and isnt socially acceptable, i will be who i am and say what i want regardless if its socialy acceptable or not. I have a right to free speach, so ima use it. i dont care if kids, parents, general idiots are around. But most of our problems come from the people themselves, and then they try to blame it on the president or someone with high political power, when these people arent responsible for the things people say they are. Most of the people being blamed have nothing to do with the issuse they are being blamed for, and this is mostly because americans are fucking idiots who dont wanna take responsibility for there own problems so they blame in on someone else, which usually just makes the problem worse.
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Allhailodin wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


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WHITEbReAd wrote:

okay
im a christian
my gf is Wiccan, and im seriously worried about the afterlife/hell/etc. that well go to
so im kinda lost, and yeah.....religion CAN be blamed, but it really shouldnt be blamed for anything


Listen, there is no afterlife, there is not a Heaven or a Hell, and even if there was, she wouldn't go to hell just for being a different religion than you. Christianity is not the only religion out there, Even as an atheist that comment annoyed me.


Well, whats your view on religion being blame for all the world's problems? peace over war


Its not all of the problems, but you an blame it for some of em.


u really cant blame religion at all, but people...because we can just as easily blame polictics, science, art, music, just about everything on some ill wills of the people...ultimatly we have to blame ourselves and strive to perfect and understand what we already know and learn what we dont know.If u want to make the world a better place, then start with yourself instead of pointing fingers...peace over war


Yes you can blame religion, its started many wars, and tons of conflicts that bordered becoming wars. toReligion will continue start many more conflicts that may become wars in the future. The people were just pawns in the wars/conflicts started by religion, to be honest the world would be a much better place if man never invented the concept of "God" and thus many religions would have never been created. People don't need "god" to do anything, If you need "god" to do anything, your a fucking moron who is truly incapable of being independent, people would be much better off without "god" as there would be less conflicts and much less disagreements would occur. Since man created the concept of "God", man should also destroy the concept of "god" as well. The world would overall be a much better place without god in the long run.

the world would be a better place without ignorant, self defeating, illogical, baseless, hypocritical,biased, and ultimately foolish beliefs and statements like that.With such logic, the same could be said about science, music, martial arts and pretty much ne thing humans put thier hands on...

Its that exact thought process that has truly been the base of all the wars of mankind.The same thought process is used in racism, sexism,ageism,anti semitisms and ne type of "isms" i havnt said.

lets start with wars...
wars r fought for many reasons...ultimatly land,power, and glory r the main reasons.Religion is usually a mask use to achieve these very items.Some people use/used religion as a crutch to fall back on when they r quesioned about thier reasons/ logic for actions that r simply unjustifiable.People use religion to justify a lot of things- that doesnt mean its the religion's fault that causes people to take such action. Like i said, it's a mask to hide a far more darker ambition.

Take England before the Reformation for example.Thier "religion" was thier goverment/everything. The Bible's first language used in England was Latin. Only person who could read/teach the Bible at this time was the Pope.The Pope had control over everything, not to mension he was also militeristic and has his own army.So he had to jobs- "teaching the bible" and conquering lands.Those two jobs intertwined.So ne war started was the Pope's fault who didnt read/ teach the bible ne way. He just said what he wanted to and claimed it was from the Bible and no one could quesion him- if u did u died.Look it up if u dont believe me, nothing he did was in the Bible. And im talking about all popes b4 the Reformation.

Take WWI and WWII....enough said

people back in the day wanted land, power, and glory for God. Religion was never a soul purpose in ne thing.Another example is the Spanish and Aztecs...French and Iroquis...look it up...

"Religion will continue to start many more conflicts that may become wars in the future"
Most goverments in the West are Secular, US doesnt start religious wars...Canada, Brazil, Mexico, ect...
Over there in the Middle Easts, thier wars date back far and wide and go way beyond religion...Same with countries in Africa...
Based on that evidence, wars can happen for multiple purposes, religion today just isnt one of them...

"The people were just pawns in the wars/conflicts started by religion,"
Yes, they were pawns.Which means that the war was fought under the falsities of thier religion...

"to be honest the world would be a much better place if man never invented the concept of "God" and thus many religions would have never been created. "

and how so? care to explain? or are all of your statements baseless and have no evidence to support them?...
War, ne thing that humans cause/ create is a human invention in its self...If we truly created all of our problems with religion, then without religion we would still create the same problems with something else.The only way to rid the world and humans of all of our problems is to wipe us out.As long as there r humans, there will be war, death, destruction,creation, life,peace, sound, silence, ect...Religion didnt cause/ create these things, we did. Long b4 organized religion all of this happened, just on a smaller scale. As the population increased, it just happened on a larger scale. Look at cavemen and thier society.Look at secular societies. Havnt they had the same issues we r faced with today?do some research and get back to me....


"If you need "god" to do anything, your a fucking moron who is truly incapable of being independent, people would be much better off without "god" as there would be less conflicts and much less disagreements would occur. Since man created the concept of "God", man should also destroy the concept of "god" as well. The world would overall be a much better place without god in the long run"

So all religious people r morons? is that what you r saying?How many truly independent people live in your society?...cause in America there r relativly few...like 3% of the population...How do you define dependent on God?

hmmmmm less conflicts and much less disagreements without God...i guess debates/conflicts/ disagreements on every noun in the English vocabulary would go away with God to eh?I dont see the connection in that logic...please elaberate and explain...

In the long run the world would be a much better place without humans or such baseless, biased, prejudice beliefs like your own...

an arguement is only as good as the evidence you have to back it up...peace over war


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Allhailodin wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:

Well i read a new's article in Mclaiin's magazine about a new movement blaming all the World's ills on Religion which in this century really is interconnected to society.




lmao, just as Americans blame all of the shit that happens on Eminem and rap music...and i live in a secular society, so that has nothing to do with my ill's...peace over war


Ok, first off Eminem is a fucking dumbass who makes downright horrible music. So blaming an idiot accomplishes absolutely nothing. Rap music in general is downright pointless and stupid, well at least the new crap is, some of the old hip hop was actually decent and used actual words. And as for me, i dont care what kinda society I live in or what is and isnt socially acceptable, i will be who i am and say what i want regardless if its socialy acceptable or not. I have a right to free speach, so ima use it. i dont care if kids, parents, general idiots are around. But most of our problems come from the people themselves, and then they try to blame it on the president or someone with high political power, when these people arent responsible for the things people say they are. Most of the people being blamed have nothing to do with the issuse they are being blamed for, and this is mostly because americans are fucking idiots who dont wanna take responsibility for there own problems so they blame in on someone else, which usually just makes the problem worse.


"most of our problems come from the people themselves"
"Most of the people being blamed have nothing to do with the issuse they are being blamed for, and this is mostly because [people] who dont wanna take responsibility for there own problems so they blame in on someone else, which usually just makes the problem worse."
i agree with this watered down, non biased, edited quotes 100%.Cant these beliefs coincide with your beliefs on religion?Doesnt the same basic princible apply to all things in life?the ultimate word in all of this is "people" nothing created by humans moves/works without people. Everything on this Earth that humans created is simply an extenion of the human being... not the human doing, not the human thinking, but the human being...peace over war
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