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Should The U.S.A. invade Saudi Arabia?
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Posted 5/24/08
eny way Every person has his Believing in things
you don not get 2 know ppl Until you live with them

yes thats Right english its not my First Language
so I apologize about my Spelling error
and In fact i had Difficult time 2 Explain what I want
even in arabic
but iam trying my beast
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Posted 5/24/08 , edited 5/24/08

YouAreDumb wrote:


drizza wrote:

The following verses are what the Quran teaches about how Muslims should be when they are not married as it relates to having sex:

17:32. Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils) -- (We shouldn't do things that would even make us become tempted to have sex out if wedlock.)

23: 1 -6
The believers must (eventually) win through,-
Those who humble themselves in their prayers;
Who avoid vain talk;
Who are active in deeds of charity;
Who abstain from sex,
Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame

24.033. Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life…

Rape is a serious crime in Islam punishable in many instances by death. There is a difference in the punishment for rape versus two people commiting adultery or fornication. Here are some Islamic teachings about that:

During the time of the Prophet (saw) punishment was inflicted on the rapist on the solitary evidence of the woman who was raped by him. Wa'il ibn Hujr reports of an incident when a woman was raped. Later, when some people came by, she identified and accused the man of raping her. They seized him and brought him to Allah's messenger, who said to the woman, "Go away, for Allâh has forgiven you," but of the man who had raped her, he said, "Stone him to death." (Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud)



Islamic legal scholars interpret rape as a crime in the category of Hiraba. In ‘Fiqh-us-Sunnah’, hiraba is described as: ‘a single person or group of people causing public disruption, killing, forcibly taking property or money, attacking or raping women (hatk al ‘arad), killing cattle, or disrupting agriculture.’



Where rape is punished severely and even by death, the punishment for having sex out of wedlock in Islam is different. The ones doing that are punished as described in the Qur'an with being whipped 100 lashes. The Quranic verse about that is as follows:



24:2 The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.



So in Islam there is a big difference between rape and two people agreeing to have sex. The punishment for rape is more severe.
You missed the entire point. The woman can not prove it was rape under Islamic Sharia law. If she can then yes the man will be punished. You like usual have failed to understand what we are discussing.


This is according to the Quran not that false propoganda once again spewed toyou day by day by the neo cons leading young americans to war for their greedy purposes with lies and cover up.

I provided you to a website that explains it, and it also provides scholarly citations. I would not call that propaganda exactly.



No I am clearing it up for you because you said According to the Quran in the previous 2 posts that you need 4 witness for rape and I just proved you wrong. You can go back and read and check it yourself. I am telling you from people who lived in Saudi I asked numerous people and the answer is all the same. They said what you are saying is one of the biggest lies against saudi you do not need 4 witness for rape. But you do need 4 for aldultry.
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Posted 5/24/08
If U.S.A Decides to attack another country and occupy it, they dont make themself look good. It wont make them have more "Justice" then any of the old "Evil Countries"..

I have never looked at Saudi Arabia as a threatening country (U.S.A would attack any country who is a threat, that is what makes U.S the world's hated country).


There should not be allowed to FORCE it on other countries what they think they should have or not have. That is like saying, we decide so shut up.
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Posted 5/24/08
LOL

i thought you were just joking at first but it seems you are in fact just stupid

I could name countless reasons why your argument is flawed but ill start with just one.

If the usa were to invade Mecca it would undoubtedly enrage every Muslim nation on the planet.
This would make it highly likely that all the Muslim nations in the middle east would unite in aid of SA.
This is the one thing that America fears more than anything, while the middle east is divided and constantly plagued by power struggles and petty wars of attrition it is unable to control its resources (of which the region has the most valuable on the plant). If the middle east was to unite and form a strong state it could practically set the price of oil and many other minerals and materials to whatever it wanted.

half the point of the American presence in the middle east is to cause chaos, some might say that the construction of the state of Israel serves the same purpose but that would take a long history lesson to justify.

As you have demonstrated yourself new-cons dont do anything out of the goodness of their hearts.
A untied and stable middle east with a strong democratic government would pose a FAR FAR greater threat to the USA than a group of weak and war-torn Islamic nations.
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Man, what a stupid idea, invading Saudi Arabia just for oil? This will cost people lives, it will set up a dangerous precedence, peace will be destroyed and money wasted on the war. The most stupidest thing I have ever heard, seriously your super power status is getting to your head. And about the women been abused and mistreated, well thats their culture and even though I disagree with it, it won't stop even after America invades and I got to say, I wouldn't mind about China becoming a superpower (More wealth would flow into China and more people would benefit therefore easing poverty). Seriously, America won't invade and if they do, I repeat, their power status is seriously getting to their head and after all, to me, it seems that most Americans are becoming more mentally screwed.
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Posted 5/24/08

11tc wrote:

LOL

i thought you were just joking at first but it seems you are in fact just stupid

I could name countless reasons why your argument is flawed but ill start with just one.

If the usa were to invade Mecca it would undoubtedly enrage every Muslim nation on the planet.
I said already that Mecca would remain untouched. Also see my posts about the art of PR, which can make most people believe anything.


This would make it highly likely that all the Muslim nations in the middle east would unite in aid of SA.
This is the one thing that America fears more than anything, while the middle east is divided and constantly plagued by power struggles and petty wars of attrition it is unable to control its resources (of which the region has the most valuable on the plant). If the middle east was to unite and form a strong state it could practically set the price of oil and many other minerals and materials to whatever it wanted.
If you honestly believe that the Sunni, and the Shia can work together you are a deluded fool. More to the point OPEC does a good job of controlling the oil supply already, so I fail to see where you are taking this line of reasoning.



half the point of the American presence in the middle east is to cause chaos, some might say that the construction of the state of Israel serves the same purpose but that would take a long history lesson to justify.
What? Are you a moron? The instability is something that threatens the flow of oil, and other resources. In no way does the USA wish to have discord in the middle east. Israel, and it's found are an issue that really has no bearing here. I will say though that when you have Britain making promises to the Jews, and the Arabs during the world wars in regards to land, that someone was going to get it. The Jews just happened to won that little battle. It did cause chaos, but that was not it's direct goal.


As you have demonstrated yourself new-cons dont do anything out of the goodness of their hearts.
A untied and stable middle east with a strong democratic government would pose a FAR FAR greater threat to the USA than a group of weak and war-torn Islamic nations.

Not if it's a puppet state.
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Posted 5/30/08
Saudi Arabia is pure Islamic country. Its a peaceful country, plz dun spoil it.
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Posted 5/30/08
I just wish the USA would just worry about our own country and our own people. I don't understand why we must stick our noses into others issues unless it seriously going to effect the USA. I think we should just focus on our own issues.Offer our aid once if denied then we need to just move on. We have our own internal issues and need to fix them. Damn whats with comments like America is the most hated country (hate me/hate my country/ hate my fellow Americans I could careless on others opinions, but you better believe I will always defend them if it comes down to it) what the hell "most Americans are mentally screwed" WTF!!!
I personally don't feel like I'm mentally screwed LOL
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Posted 5/30/08 , edited 5/30/08
To conclude at least most Americans on this thread is smart enough to not agree with the OP about going to war with Saudi. FYI like most countries Saudi also has consequences for bad behavior such as rape, stealing, kiling so trying to go to war thinking the whole country does this is completly retarded. They have rules just like the US but more stricker thats why there isnt as much crime there.
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Posted 5/31/08
Yes, let's start another war and make money off it. That way people will like America more... because we all know that killing people ends the hatred and violence.. yep... more people will die and the Middle East will be peaceful.
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Posted 5/31/08
we should be getting the fuck out of iraq, we are doing the same thing we did in vietnam, bush is to stupid to learn from history.
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Posted 6/1/08

drizza wrote:

To conclude at least most Americans on this thread is smart enough to not agree with the OP about going to war with Saudi. FYI like most countries Saudi also has consequences for bad behavior such as rape, stealing, kiling so trying to go to war thinking the whole country does this is completly retarded. They have rules just like the US but more stricker thats why there isnt as much crime there.


That's so true. I don't get why some bloody idiots here stereotype Arabs as barbarians. Muslim laws are actually much more strict than others. I bloody absolutely disagree with the OP and the maker of this thread. I'm done arguing with him way back. Hopeless. (-__-")
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Posted 6/1/08
if we were seriously at war with radical islamic terrorists, then we should definitley go to war with saudi arabia. they house at least as many radicals as iraq, iran, or syria, probably more. but since we're good friends with the house of saud, and they sell us their oil for pretty cheap (technically, its almost free), there is no reason to invade. iraq is our main concern right now. if we can take iraq, then we'll hold the two wealthiest pieces of real-estate in the region (arabia/iraq). iraq is also a central location in the region where we could easily threaten other middle-eastern nations by our presence.

so my answer is no, it would not be strategically sound to invade arabia. as long as their emirs are our friends, and we are still getting oil from them, there is simply no reason to attack them. we definitley need to concentrate on iraq first. it has much more strategic value, from a military perspective.
Posted 6/1/08
No. but idk the reason!! haha
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Posted 6/1/08
how bout we stay out of shit like this and just stay home...

what a joke. a "turn around"? that's not turning arond at all. that's going ahead even faster at full speed toward spreading conflict in the region. a true turn around would be to listen to the founding fathers not to war or ally any nation while trading with them, not spreading democracy at gunpoint, or just brazenly invading and plundering while playing power manipulatino games... a lot like what Ron Paul says... scary how one person can be constitutional to such an extent... maybe we should assassinate him for impeding the terror of the US agenda upon the world... comon, we did it to lincoln, mckinley, jfk, MLKJ what's one more guy? world government forever!
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