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well [LINK REMOVED] is free you dotn have to pay for it

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stoner789 wrote:

well [LINK REMOVED] is free you dotn have to pay for it



Of course it is free when it doesn't pay for any license whatsoever, you can't have expenses for what you didn't pay for. Linking to such sites is against the rules and CR's Terms of Service. I humbly suggest you find out whether or not a site you want to link to, is actually legit before sharing the link on Crunchyroll.

Feels like I'm the only one who knows this.




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Copyrighted Materials: No Infringing Use.

You will not use the Site or Services to offer, display, distribute, transmit, route, provide connections to or store any material that infringes copyrighted works or otherwise violates or promotes the violation of the intellectual property rights of any third party. Crunchyroll has adopted and implemented a policy that provides for the termination in appropriate circumstances of the accounts of users who repeatedly infringe or are believed to be or are charged with repeatedly infringing the rights of copyright holders. Please see the Crunchyroll Copyright and IP Policy for further information.


Posted 12/19/12

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Feels like I'm the only one who knows this.



I'd hate to sound rude and aggressive but I find that many CR users are incompetent when it comes to reading and following rules; looking at the views of the "Official Rules" sticky and comparing it to other topics, it is severely ignored; the rules themselves are a bit outdated and, to be honest, the CrunchyRoll forums appear to be quite ignored by the main CrunchyRoll staff.
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ok moderator prince, not trying to be rude either, i wont post sites on here that infringe upon cr licenses or are illegal. (dont ban me for my mistakes)

and i do have to say no one is going to read through all those terms of service and what not, i will go read through the official rules unless those are it, but unless you make a revised version no one is going to read all that, im sure there are a few who will, but the majority, assuming they are like me will not readd all that, uhh idont wanna call it crap but uhh all that crap .....

i will skim through it though really quik, and reak the part about websites

example funimation isnt an illegal site so it can it be talked about here right? correct me if im wrong

just read through the cr official rules in the forum about websites and some other stuff, yes some of us people are ill informed, when u sign up you should be redirected to that forum or have that simple list of rules =] maybe ill put that in the suggestions forum cause no one reads through paragraphs of terms of use
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lol I thought you meant the hunger games O.O!!! 12 TRIBUTES of apples and bananas!!!!

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It's true you don't pay... but the people who made the anime don't get paid either that's sad... how will they make a living or new manga and anime??? Crunchyroll and other sites like funamation pay for the licenses so that the amazing people who make anime and manga get what they deserve and not starve!!


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True that... Colbert ... but I'm sure someone else out there knows it ... I hope




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No it's true... many new people do miss the Forum rules... or possibly might not bother to look..... Maybe there is a better way to let people know about them through some other method... I don't think all of the rules are "outdated" per se all the rules still apply and are being moderated at the present... are there any suggestions for a possible update on some of the rules? Or possible omission of some... I did edit some of the really outdated stuff out ...like the Chat Rules and Crunchy Land Rules.. since they no longer exist.... We can discuss this further and if the moderators as a collective find it relevant we might change it. As for the main CrunchyRoll staff there here... they just don't post anything because they are all Ninjas or Kunoichi and some are on ninja/kunoichi holidays



@stoner789 again... lol


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Aww I hope people read the rules. The past moderators and CR members all created the rules together because the CR forums were chaotic ... I mean CHAOTIC....there were literally hundreds of posts a day....The original 3 forum moderators couldn't keep up! I don't think we need to revise them...since all of the rules were there for a reason... maybe make it more user friendly perhaps? If you have any suggestions to do so.. or which ones are outdated .... also yes it's ok to talk about funimation since they are a legal web hosting sight ... yes people are ill informed of the rules... we can brainstorm to find solutions to this....
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Revise the Cr rules? Well, I did realize most people do not read the Rules on the General Forum section. But, when I gaze over at the groups...they tend to have there rules for the group be the same Rules to Crunchyroll...most of the time. But, either or...If you were to revise them, I would suggest using some [ columnset][ /columnset] with those revisions,you know..something to 'catch you eye' and such.

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Revise the Cr rules? Well, I did realize most people do not read the Rules on the General Forum section. But, when I gaze over at the groups...they tend to have there rules for the group be the same Rules to Crunchyroll...most of the time. But, either or...If you were to revise them, I would suggest using some [ columnset][ /columnset] with those revisions,you know..something to 'catch you eye' and such.



Some users say some of the rules are "outdated"... but what I mean is not necessarily change them but make them more user friendly... like; borrowing your idea, possibly using column's to make it easier to look at... I'll see how the other moderators feel about this... but I don't think we will change much... the rule thread and faq thread usually doesn't get touched or changed that often all the mod's have to agree if there will be change... we will see... BTW also your thread really helps us keep track of all the rule nay sayers ^.^ thanks... wow I feel like 1984's big brother watching O.O
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i wasnt saying to revise the rules in the thread, i was saying make a revised version of the terms of use lol
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i wasnt saying to revise the rules in the thread, i was saying make a revised version of the terms of use lol




OHHHHH lol we can't change those rules silly... CR's lawyer friends put that there ^.^ so that we won't get in trouble... you know lawyers.. it has to be absolutely by the book or someones gonna sue u! Forum rules are waaay different..
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stoner789 wrote:

i wasnt saying to revise the rules in the thread, i was saying make a revised version of the terms of use lol




OHHHHH lol we can't change those rules silly... CR's lawyer friends put that there ^.^ so that we won't get in trouble... you know lawyers.. it has to be absolutely by the book or someones gonna sue u! Forum rules are waaay different..


omg, thats not what im saying, im not saying to cahnge them im saying to make a revised version of them sigh ..... lol
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You do not have to read the terms of service, like in any site you go too. But, the terms of service has your standard lawyer/ law stuff, same old, same old. But, the rules section is pretty much all you need to read and know. The terms of service is just your standard 'do not break the law' kinda stuff and extc. I read through a few paragraphs just now. So, pretty much these are the only things I see in there that you should know:

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Don't worry, I realize you didn't know any better. So I decided it was enough to edit out the links and give you a heads-up.

Funimation is perfectly fine to talk about, same with Anime News Network, Hulu and other similar sites that have the license to stream/share their material.

Yes, please do suggest it. The more people who suggest it, the more likely such changes with happen.



AsuraCryin wrote:


Yes, sadly this is very true and I've been striving to change this.



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Alex, I suggest you check the moderator forum. Though at this point, I've almost given up on the revising of the rules.




On a different note, it would be nice if 1mirg and alexwithcandy didn't needlessly use the [*header] function. Personally I think it should only be used for exactly what it implies. Being a headliner.

"A heading at the top of an article or page in a newspaper or magazine."

A good example of this would be this thread. That's a good usage of the header. But using it to show the quoted user's name? What's even the point, it already states clear as day who you are quoting. It just comes off as pointless "attention-milking" to me, especially because the header is when you think about it - really big.


But that's just my opinion and I'm not going to force anyone to stop using it.

To lighten up the mood:

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I wouldn't give up yet on the forum rules being revised AHTL. I can definitely see some need for it myself and I think we need more clear cut methods of enforcement as well. But as the new guy (Forum Mod wise anyway) I don't want to start rocking the boat right off the bat.


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i wasnt saying to revise the rules in the thread, i was saying make a revised version of the terms of use lol


One thing I find people constantly forget (and not just on CR) is the simplest rule of all time. Common sense rules the day. If you are thinking of making a post and want to link a site that streams anime just stop and think for a second. Does it stream legally? Does it stream shows ripped off CR itself? Is the first thing I am going to see if I click the link a Hentai image?

If the answers are yes common sense will tell you that linking that probably isn't a good idea. That's just one example. You are right the rules need revision and need to be stated more plainly.... but if you follow the rules of common sense you will surprised how rare it is to run into a rule problem anywhere in life even if you don't know them.
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Personally, I like using the header function for quoting too. But, I do get what you are saying and such, in which it does make sense. But, alot of the users in crunchyroll use different functions for various of other purposes. The use of this function comes in real handy while quoting multiple users in the same quote post. The example of this would be:



If I used the normal quoting method, quoting that many users would be a LONG post to scroll through. To minimize the length, and space of the post. I use the [ header][ /header] function to act as a indicator of who is the user I am quoting, not the quote in itself, WAYY to much space would be taken up. But, either or..I use the header function for quoting because I found out that it takes up less space, and it does the same as the quote function...if you get the bbc coding right. Also, this is just my preferred method to quoting, other users might have a different way they like to quote. But, I like doing it this way
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I agree with you ^.^... it's much cleaner when I have to answer 5 people... I like it this way too ^.^



I have taken a look extensively at the moderator forum including your rule thread... but it seems that thread has already concluded, with a huge dialog that I really wasn't really a part of. I also got the impression that it was already being implemented. Other than people just agreeing that thread existed before I switched into becoming forum moderator. There was general feel that everyone agreed with you...

*The concern that was brought up was to make the TOS a little more easier to understand, also another concern was to update the rules as in appearance. There has been a thread made to see if people really read the rules and most people do not... hence the reason our existence why moderators exist... people either does not follow the rules or fail to realize that they exist... but if it was possibly more easier or more pleasing to the eye to read then more people might read it....

As for what you like as appearance on the forums...Personally, I like using the header function for quoting too.... I personally like this method better ^.^ its an opinion. I'm a little more into more innovative approach and more artsy ... plus the old way gets tiring to look at. Also the link to the thread that you linked to has a post that has more then 2 pictures in to which is breaking the current rule of not having more than 2 pictures per post... that post has over 2 and has a youtube video and a gif. this thread
. Also if you noticed at the bottom of the post... that user uses colorful language like c*nt and other inappropriate PG 13 language as well. Also AHTL there is a rule in regards to quoting rules.... (although it refers to forum rules) Paraphrasing the rule Quoting the rules in public is unnecessarily embarrassing for the author of the post in question. If someone breaks the rules, respectfully inform them of it, do not force the rules down someones throat ... its condescending for me at least and could be be done a little better I the break rules some times too~ and have in the past, I don't like it when someone hammers me over the head about every singe rule... takes the fun out of being in the forum if everything was 1984'ish




Also, just like the rules some people dismiss my suggestions on that forum as well.... i.e spring cleaning... no one except for you (possibly) noticed the fine print ... and commented in a particular section .. or bothered to comment or cared enough to comment.. usually people don't respond to my posts even when I know that other mods are around.. I personally don't really want to change any of the rules either way. Also the implementation of rules is difficult to uphold when CR was like before when there were hundreds of posts a day... you don't know how many thousands I deleted from 2006-2010 that broke the rules... since CR has slowed down it's much easier to moderate ...since there is not as much stuff to moderate... but if we had more rules and CR suddenly became as popular as it did back then we would miss tons of threads that broke rules.. like what happened in the past... even now there are many people who break the rules and are not really being disciplined..... for example the Drama forum... has 3 users for over 2 years posed hundreds of threads with triple posting or more.... I' surprised that they were able to get away with it for so long.... this is an example of some rules just not being implemented....GAH!

Also another probable reason why people (other moderators) don't really take our comment seriously and gander at our comments and suggestion is the not all the moderators are ether not really active or friends..... it's not CR moderator buddies group... I have yet to chat with many of the other moderators, but I do tend to chat with my friends more which is really quite sad.... Also It's true I don't think I've seen or heard from many of the other moderators in quite a while....









I agree with you Karkarov... but not making any excuses... I think its also important to remember the demographics of who comes onto the site... common sense sometimes does not apply... also people might want to have fun and enjoy themselves escaping reality when they come here to watch anime that they might forget the most simplest rules.... hence the saying there's always 3 born every second, and why us moderators exist
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