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Ishida killing hollows annoys me.
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Posted 5/29/08 , edited 6/20/08
Remember this part? Years ago...


Unlike the Soul Reaper's method of killing hollows which allows the hollow to enter Soul Society, the Quincy technique simply destroys the hollow's soul entirely.This method has the propensity to shatter the balance of the universe, because when souls are destroyed, the number of souls entering and leaving Soul Society cannot remain equal.


So everytime Ishida kills a hollow, he completely destroys it, he does not save its soul like any of the shinigami do. Especially in a filler a few weeks ago when he "fly swatted" like 50 hollow out of the sky while Ichigo was right there with him. It just seems out of character for him to totally destroy the innocent souls inside the hollows and out of character for Ichigo to allow him to do so.
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Posted 5/29/08
Is there something I'm missing?
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uhh yeah u totally missed that at the time they were introducing ishida as a total B*TCH!!!! and also that at the moment ichigo was a hella lot weaker and also how can u say that it was out of character if it was in like the first few episodes and their ""characters"" weren't even fully developed, i mean seriously. also they had to provide a reason to pit ichigo and ishida against each other and the imbalancing of soul society was that reason. also how can u say and i quote "the innocent souls inside the hollows" i mean come on if u died and didn't go to heaven but instead stayed in limbo and u came across a hollow, do you think that hollow would say "Awww, are you lost??? do you need some help???" Pfffftt!!!!! Hell no!!! that hollow would bite your head off right then and there. i mean seriously FTW???
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kibafan wrote:
also how can u say and i quote "the innocent souls inside the hollows" i mean come on if u died and didn't go to heaven but instead stayed in limbo and u came across a hollow, do you think that hollow would say "Awww, are you lost??? do you need some help???" Pfffftt!!!!! Hell no!!! that hollow would bite your head off right then and there. i mean seriously FTW???


In the first ten or so episodes it's pointed out that souls turn into hollows when they are put through grief as normal spirits. (Like when the magician ghost dude turns that soul into a hollow). Most hollows are innocent, and therefore when killed by a soul reaper go to soul society as their human selfs. Some souls however, ones that have commited crimes before they were hollows, go to hell. (It happens in one episode too)

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kibafan wrote:
also how can u say and i quote "the innocent souls inside the hollows" i mean come on if u died and didn't go to heaven but instead stayed in limbo and u came across a hollow, do you think that hollow would say "Awww, are you lost??? do you need some help???" Pfffftt!!!!! Hell no!!! that hollow would bite your head off right then and there. i mean seriously FTW???


In the first ten or so episodes it's pointed out that souls turn into hollows when they are put through grief as normal spirits. (Like when the magician ghost dude turns that soul into a hollow). Most hollows are innocent, and therefore when killed by a soul reaper go to soul society as their human selfs. Some souls however, ones that have commited crimes before they were hollows, go to hell. (It happens in one episode too)



yeah but what i meant was that the hollow once turned into a hollow and no longer a human soul loses it's innocence after a while and after eating a few other people's souls. catch my drift??
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kibafan wrote:


riavan wrote:


kibafan wrote:
also how can u say and i quote "the innocent souls inside the hollows" i mean come on if u died and didn't go to heaven but instead stayed in limbo and u came across a hollow, do you think that hollow would say "Awww, are you lost??? do you need some help???" Pfffftt!!!!! Hell no!!! that hollow would bite your head off right then and there. i mean seriously FTW???


In the first ten or so episodes it's pointed out that souls turn into hollows when they are put through grief as normal spirits. (Like when the magician ghost dude turns that soul into a hollow). Most hollows are innocent, and therefore when killed by a soul reaper go to soul society as their human selfs. Some souls however, ones that have commited crimes before they were hollows, go to hell. (It happens in one episode too)



yeah but what i meant was that the hollow once turned into a hollow and no longer a human soul loses it's innocence after a while and after eating a few other people's souls. catch my drift??


No, because thats the hollow doing it, not the soul inside. See how it works?

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okay but if THE SOUL TURNS INTO THE HOLLOW aren't the soul and the hollow the same thing??? so you're saying that when a soul turns into a hollow it's like it got eaten by a hollow and when a shinigami purifies it the hollow is destroyed and the soul inside is sent to soul society???
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kibafan wrote:

okay but if THE SOUL TURNS INTO THE HOLLOW aren't the soul and the hollow the same thing??? so you're saying that when a soul turns into a hollow it's like it got eaten by a hollow and when a shinigami purifies it the hollow is destroyed and the soul inside is sent to soul society???


No, a soul that turns into the hollow dosn't get eaten by it, but it does turn into one, not of it's own free will. When a shinigami destroys a hollow it purifies it and the soul inside gets sent to either soul society, or "hell", depending on the souls actions in life.

Ishida, being a quincy, dosn't purify hollows when he kills them, instead he just destroy them outright, destroying the balance of the universe. This being the reason why the quincy were wiped out by shinigami.

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Posted 6/9/08 , edited 6/9/08
ishida is quite good he can defeat 1 captain!
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Posted 6/20/08
uhmm... ok....

uhhh...

I like Ishida. *period*

and the makers of bleach are the same people who made Ishida so think for a moment before you complain. without them = no bleach. gasp. what a sad life that would be. and Ishida is an important aspect of the whole story. so yeah.
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Posted 6/20/08 , edited 6/20/08
Actually I agree with Riavan, this has nothing to do with hating Ishida or wanting him to leave the anime in any way, its just that practically killing the innocents souls is.."bad"? They dont become hollows becouse they want too.
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uhhh, guys? it's da statement which is the subject here which is ishida/quincy's method killing hollows which annoys him. not u like ishida or no ishida bad bleach or ishida's capabilities but when he kills dem.

well i think it's bad cuz the balance will be disrupted so does the balance of the world cuz den there will be no soul society anymore. juz hollows and humans cuz the souls r distroyed not purified.
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I agree with Riavan and have wondered for awhile why this was never brought up as a MAJOR problem in Bleach. I saw the same episode he was talking about and wondered the same thing. Oh and Hollows and souls are actually different. Like Riavan said earlier for the MOST part souls don't become hollows out of free will. It is either an attachment to the human world brought about by grief, or remorse, which turns them into a hollow. Or they are eaten by a hollow and are joined into its body. Remember Ichigo almost became a hollow himself when he was training to utilize and awaken his own shinigami powers. Had ichigo failed he would have become a hollow and been "purified" (killed) by Urahara. So the method of Ishida's killing is in essence pretty hard. Its like being tried and found guilty without a trial and sentenced to death. Because BOTH hollow and soul are destroyed in the process. Pretty sad if you ask me.
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Posted 6/20/08
umm... i hope you guys dont mind if i more clearly describe the basic job of a zanpaktou...

when a soul is "eaten" by a hollow, or turns into a hollow becuse of greif or whatever, it's reborn with fighting instinct, which slowly takes over the hollow"s personality and fighting style.
A zanpaktou can send souls to the soul society, and turn hollows back into regular souls that will either enter the soul society, or go to hell depending on if the soul sinned in it's life. the zanpaktou only washes away the sins commited as a hollow, not the ones in life.

so, they dont lose their innocence, hollows like menos and arrancar probably cant pass to soul society becuse they have blended souls with one anouther, and the zanpaktou just cant liberate them all.... but that's just my theroy...
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Posted 6/22/08
i love the quincy way to killing hollows
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