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Grammar and courtesy on the internet.
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Posted 6/24/08
In my honest opinion its not only english, all the languages are getting "raped" on the net, you should try to understand the current lvl of spanish the young ppl use these days, its harder than reading the "l33t" speak on the forums, belive me.
i think this phrase fits very nicely in this thread.

"Since the invention of the internet, earths rotation has been solely propelled by english teachers turning in their graves."

English is not my native tongue, but still i try to make it as comprehendable as possible.
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Posted 6/24/08
Yes....I hate it when people use bad grammar online. I mean, do they think it is cool? What is wrong with being literate? I mean, the kids that use text-talk online or use improper grammar are going to form a habit of writing that way. What is going to happen when they must write their college term papers? Thank god we have the spellcheck.

But anyway, it is hard to understand what a person is trying to express when they text talk. What is a bunch of letters supposed to tell me? Call me un-cool, but those series of letters could mean a whole lot of things. I was on this chat thing online and a person typed in "ASL." They thought I was crazy when I asked them to clarify what they meant. Turns out they wanted my age, sex, and location. All that time I sat pondering I thought ASL meant American Sign Language.

Onto the topic of courtesy. I agree. People are always looking for fights online and I don't get it. Possibly because they know they cannot be physically beaten up? I have no clue. But then again, I find myself in the extended discussion thread a lot for the joy of debating. I suppose that in a thread like that, you are bound to be pounced on by someone who doesn't agree with you.
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Sometimes people are just being overzealous, It might be okay as a side note but just posting to correct grammar is rude. I was reading an article on the times online, and a woman left a comment criticising the sentence structure of a passage or something, yet had used 'you're' instead of 'your'. Typical.
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Actually, I don't really see what's the fuss over this. My english is not good, I try to be better n sometimes, I will have some callous mistake (in grammar) or typo..
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Posted 8/24/08
Poor grammar and atrocious spelling make people look like idiots. After such a long time on the internet, I've adapted to just skipping over what they have to say. It's like people pretend they don't have a backspace button. Yes, you can fix that mistake! With so many Firefox downloads, I don't quite see how people can spell incorrectly. There's a red line under your gibberish! Right click the word and pick the one you meant to use! It's not hard... really.
On the other hand! I'll admit to misspelling words on purpose in a chatroom. Sometimes certain situations call for silliness. (that was some amazing alliteration)
All in all, I can deal with average grammar. I draw the line at obvious mistakes in spelling.
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Although l33t is annoying, it's kind of a good mental workout to read it (for me anyway). When I actually understand it, I feel kind of proud of myself.

The one thing I hate the most is alternating caps, probably my number one internet pet peeve apart from deliberate misspelling. And excessive punctuation. As for incorrect grammar, it's fine if English isn't your first language (as long as you're trying your best), but English speakers, take some pride in your language and put some effort into it!
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bad grammer online doesn't bother me a whole lot... for me.. sure a few mistakes aren't anything to get so worked up about, but when it's bad enough that it becomes hard to read is where I draw the line. when I can still easily tell what they're saying it's all good, when I make a mistake it's usually because when I was looking for errors before posting it that one error just escaped me, like where there's something I really should have seen but for some reason just didn't/couldn't... but when they do all those shortcuts and put randomly placed capital letters (I actually can't even type like that to give an example, I'm just not able) it becomes really annoying because it becomes really difficult to figure out what they just said.

also with the courtesy thing... I believe there is no point in arguing or getting mad at someone online. sure online courtesy is really hard to do complely because you can easily offend someone really deeply without trying to, but when someone offends you online I feel it's important to keep your cool. arguements online never solved anything, continueing an arguement you're in when it gets too heated, or responding to flame baiting never resolved an issue. people have opinions that anger us and we have opinions that anger them, but flameing as a result doesn't help prove you're right... it just doesn't. I feel that it's important to remember it's just the internet, and that there's a limit to how seriously anything online should be taken and how far it should go. that when one starts to build up a little too much steam online one should just take a minute to cool down and answer the question "why so serious?".
Posted 8/24/08 , edited 8/24/08
I get annoyed at people who complain about butchering a language or whatever. Go back to English class or whatever, seriously. How would you feel if every time you talked I complained about the words you were using, your sentence formating, your pronunciation and such. You would get annoyed of me, because I'm being ANNOYING.

And honestly the only people who hate 1337 speak are old gamers who are always getting owned online, and noobs who dun liek it when i spawn camp dem in CS for teh lulz.

And being courteous is for pussies.
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dmitsuki wrote:

I get annoyed at people who complain about butchering a language or whatever. Go back to English class or whatever, seriously. How would you feel if every time you talked I complained about the words you were using, your sentence formating, your pronunciation and such. You would get annoyed of me, because I'm being ANNOYING.

And honestly the only people who hate 1337 speak are old gamers who are always getting owned online, and noobs who dun liek it when i spawn camp dem in CS for teh lulz.

And being courteous is for pussies.


It is perfectly legitimate for a person to be concerned about the state of the English Language be it written or spoken in any part of the world.

As for your belief that the only people who despise internet speak are those who are terrible at online games, I assure you that my poor impression of internet speak stems not from online gaming but from what I perceive to be an abuse of a language which many are taking for granted. The English language is as much a heritage as many of the lost languages of ancient civilizations over the years, and the preservation of an uncorrupted form of English is a most desirable thing to be handed down to our descendants.

The importance of the English language lies in the fact that it is used almost universally all over the globe. Perversion of the English language in any form what so ever, be it the incorporation of words from foreign languages or the misuse and butchering of it would create an entirely different form of English incomprehensible to the native English speaker.

When Britain was expanding and gaining more territory under its dominion, it advocated that Johnny English should not need to learn a second language in order to communicate with the natives under English dominion but rather, that the natives should speak English in turn. The last thing we want now, is for the somewhat universal language to become useless.

With regards to your comment on courtesy, I will excuse you for your seemingly vile statement considering that you admitted to taking a form of medication that inhibits your thinking. Society has reached a stage where diplomacy and civil conversation take precedence over arms and conflict. To believe that courtesy is for the weak is to invite unneeded strife and ill will toward yourself, and society tends to ostracize those they deem too brutish to their liking.
Posted 8/25/08

rokujinshou wrote:

I've done a search and skimmed through the forum and found no thread regarding this, forgive me if I overlooked some thing. Also, by posting this, I am in no way trying to start an argument, so please don't post unless you have some thing decent to say.

While on forums I've noticed that not very many people use proper grammar. All I see nowadays are exclamation points and capital letters in the middle of words. Sure; its fine to misspell things, I do it all the time, but when you go into a forum and all you see is 'OMG dis is so cool, i luv dat shOw!!!11', don't you get even the slightest bit annoyed?
I realize this post is kind of coming from a personal standpoint on my end, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who gets turned off of even going on forums just because of the way people talk on them. I just wanted to hear others thoughts and opinions, as I've had quite a decent conversation on some other forums when I brought this up. Not to mention this is an extended discussion forum, so one or two word answers really are not going to cut it.

Which brings me to another thing; courtesy. Hate wars, flame wars, and flat out arguments over the internet are just plain stupid. Every one has their own opinion, which needs to be respected. I see so much hate around here, so please try to keep it out of this topic.

Thanks for reading, and I'd appreciate your thoughts on this subject =]


Your incredibly good looking , mind being my internet girlfriend and having a nice chat with me.

;]

OK NE WAYZ.
Proper grammar has nothing to do with people , and if that is the case , then they are nothing but low self-esteem people worried about what people will think if there , " Text." Are not perfect I type like this personally since iv'e been using computers since 2004 , ( Not long but meh ) , If i were to typo i'd ignore it.

a normal person would do this.

Hi how are yuo <--- You .
EDIT:YOU

me:

Hi how are yuo .
oh you get the point.

it's a valuable response .
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Yes, the StIckY cAps, shortcuts and bad grammar really bother me. I think it's "unhealthy" for people to be using them. Like what my English Composition teacher (who I respect a lot) said, shortcuts and jargons actually affect the way we are in the real world. Maybe you haven't noticed, but at the times when you need to speak formally, you end up speaking in the "stupid" language. In formal writing too, people tend to spell words in shortcuts instead of usuing the correct spelling. Isn't that disturbing? And people just seem.. uh, dumb whenever that happens. Well..
Posted 8/25/08

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dmitsuki wrote:

I get annoyed at people who complain about butchering a language or whatever. Go back to English class or whatever, seriously. How would you feel if every time you talked I complained about the words you were using, your sentence formating, your pronunciation and such. You would get annoyed of me, because I'm being ANNOYING.

And honestly the only people who hate 1337 speak are old gamers who are always getting owned online, and noobs who dun liek it when i spawn camp dem in CS for teh lulz.

And being courteous is for pussies.


It is perfectly legitimate for a person to be concerned about the state of the English Language be it written or spoken in any part of the world.

As for your belief that the only people who despise internet speak are those who are terrible at online games, I assure you that my poor impression of internet speak stems not from online gaming but from what I perceive to be an abuse of a language which many are taking for granted. The English language is as much a heritage as many of the lost languages of ancient civilizations over the years, and the preservation of an uncorrupted form of English is a most desirable thing to be handed down to our descendants.

The importance of the English language lies in the fact that it is used almost universally all over the globe. Perversion of the English language in any form what so ever, be it the incorporation of words from foreign languages or the misuse and butchering of it would create an entirely different form of English incomprehensible to the native English speaker.

When Britain was expanding and gaining more territory under its dominion, it advocated that Johnny English should not need to learn a second language in order to communicate with the natives under English dominion but rather, that the natives should speak English in turn. The last thing we want now, is for the somewhat universal language to become useless.

With regards to your comment on courtesy, I will excuse you for your seemingly vile statement considering that you admitted to taking a form of medication that inhibits your thinking. Society has reached a stage where diplomacy and civil conversation take precedence over arms and conflict. To believe that courtesy is for the weak is to invite unneeded strife and ill will toward yourself, and society tends to ostracize those they deem too brutish to their liking.


It is perfectly legitimate for a person to be concerned about the state of English or any language. If a person is handed a form to fill out, and it is written in horrible horrible English and they can't even understand it, yes, there is a big problem. If a person is going to youtube, and getting mad because comments are wrote like this

wow that vid was prety cool!

Then there just being, for a lack of a better term, BAWsy. When we, and our youth become incapable of speaking the language proper, then we have something to worry about. But when were complaining about internet forums not being formated like a English paper, then your just crying over nothing.

As for the comment on courtesy, I was probably on 4chan or something when I wrote that, I don't remember even writing it :/
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i usually do, but i can only type with one hand and its tedious
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dmitsuki wrote:
It is perfectly legitimate for a person to be concerned about the state of English or any language. If a person is handed a form to fill out, and it is written in horrible horrible English and they can't even understand it, yes, there is a big problem. If a person is going to youtube, and getting mad because comments are wrote like this

wow that vid was prety cool!

Then there just being, for a lack of a better term, BAWsy. When we, and our youth become incapable of speaking the language proper, then we have something to worry about. But when were complaining about internet forums not being formated like a English paper, then your just crying over nothing.

As for the comment on courtesy, I was probably on 4chan or something when I wrote that, I don't remember even writing it :/


I'm merely stating that the decline of the English language, be it in cyberspace or the real world, has a lasting impression upon people who may, as dracoprincess stated, begin to incorporate the shortcuts and jargons into their daily live.

The effect then snowballs into a cause, reinforces the original cause and produces the same effect in an intensified form.A man may drink because he thinks himself to be a failure, only to become a failure because he drinks.

The same thing is happening to the English language. It becomes ugly and inaccurate because our thoughts are foolish, but the slovenliness of our language makes it all the easier for one to have foolish thoughts. These bad habits that are spread by imitation can be reversed and avoided if one is willing to take the necessary trouble. If you get rid of these habits, you can think more clearly.

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Posted 8/26/08
does online grammar really matter?? its not like we're gonna be graded on it or something...
its easier and faster to use abbreviations ..and its not really that hard to understand it
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