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When will the Lee Dynasty be over?
Posted 6/30/08
SIAO eh have you all wondered everything you said here can be used against you in court=.-
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lifesuc wrote:

ai ya .. juz vote the parliement ?! or wadeva la i hab poor english arh .. juz vote the ppl dat u wan
PAP , WP still gt other 2 .. cannt rmb .. juz vote
folo ur heart we dun care
we oso cant predict the future
we can sae the future is on our hand ..
bt 1 thing i muz sae
wifout lee singapore will nt b nw so advanced ..
bt den i dun realli noe lee things..
when the election cums
who noes who will win
PAP WP or others
juz think
discussin this doesnt help
anyway this is juz ur opinion ..
if other found it ... and u actually sae sumthing insultin
guess wad
wad if dey sue u ?!
y nt juz kip it in ur heart or juz sae it to the ppl that u trust or family members..
dun nid to sae so much ..
well dats juz wad i think dun nid to care so much
juz stop discussin this
it wun help ..
worse it gets u in to deep trouble which u wun noe ...


well then isnt this a problem in many authoritarian regimes? where ppl dun speak out to protest and just allow he government to do watever they want. not dat im saying lee is being a dictator, or dat im gd at history, but we have to speak up to ask questions. especially if we are now "advanced" enough to know if voting he lees in are a gd idea.

then again, im not a great fan of the american ideal of freedom of speech, but there has to be a line somewhere. im sure if the lees are doing everything right and dandy, why cant they answer our questions? especially if we are "advanced" enough to comprehend it.


who says the lees is not being a dictator, can't even accept criticism, don't believe, read this blog http://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/index.html


thankz for the info, but do u have more sources to this subject? seems to me Gopalan is quite biased in his speech. which is probably because of how he has been treated, but if he were to post his thoughts on the blog and expect the most of the young people of singapore to be convinced, shouldn't he be more neutral in tone, to allow the young people of singapore to make their own decisions?

if the information against lee is sufficient enough to cause outrage amongst the people, Gopalan should be able to simply state the facts and link them together, and if possible, reference the facts to some reliable website. that in itself should be able to turn the tides.

im going off topic here, but the 7th paragraph of the June 16th blog post makes me mad. Gopalan should realize that the blogs are not private, and he cannot expect to "insult" others and get away with it. similarly, quite a few years back, 3 boys posted racist comments and were promptly arrested and tried. in the same way, i believe those 3 boys believe that they had simply written a blog post and did not ask anyone of the "insulted" race to read it.

but i do agree dat the lees are being oversensitive to their political opponents. this in itself will probably turn most people against them. they seem to be losing popularity quickly. unless they manage to somehow improve the economy, they will probably be voted out within the next 1 or 2 elections. provided the opposition parties are capable.
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Posted 6/30/08

thenoob9 wrote:


ygaaraq wrote:


thenoob9 wrote:


lifesuc wrote:

ai ya .. juz vote the parliement ?! or wadeva la i hab poor english arh .. juz vote the ppl dat u wan
PAP , WP still gt other 2 .. cannt rmb .. juz vote
folo ur heart we dun care
we oso cant predict the future
we can sae the future is on our hand ..
bt 1 thing i muz sae
wifout lee singapore will nt b nw so advanced ..
bt den i dun realli noe lee things..
when the election cums
who noes who will win
PAP WP or others
juz think
discussin this doesnt help
anyway this is juz ur opinion ..
if other found it ... and u actually sae sumthing insultin
guess wad
wad if dey sue u ?!
y nt juz kip it in ur heart or juz sae it to the ppl that u trust or family members..
dun nid to sae so much ..
well dats juz wad i think dun nid to care so much
juz stop discussin this
it wun help ..
worse it gets u in to deep trouble which u wun noe ...


well then isnt this a problem in many authoritarian regimes? where ppl dun speak out to protest and just allow he government to do watever they want. not dat im saying lee is being a dictator, or dat im gd at history, but we have to speak up to ask questions. especially if we are now "advanced" enough to know if voting he lees in are a gd idea.

then again, im not a great fan of the american ideal of freedom of speech, but there has to be a line somewhere. im sure if the lees are doing everything right and dandy, why cant they answer our questions? especially if we are "advanced" enough to comprehend it.


who says the lees is not being a dictator, can't even accept criticism, don't believe, read this blog http://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/index.html


thankz for the info, but do u have more sources to this subject? seems to me Gopalan is quite biased in his speech. which is probably because of how he has been treated, but if he were to post his thoughts on the blog and expect the most of the young people of singapore to be convinced, shouldn't he be more neutral in tone, to allow the young people of singapore to make their own decisions?

if the information against lee is sufficient enough to cause outrage amongst the people, Gopalan should be able to simply state the facts and link them together, and if possible, reference the facts to some reliable website. that in itself should be able to turn the tides.

im going off topic here, but the 7th paragraph of the June 16th blog post makes me mad. Gopalan should realize that the blogs are not private, and he cannot expect to "insult" others and get away with it. similarly, quite a few years back, 3 boys posted racist comments and were promptly arrested and tried. in the same way, i believe those 3 boys believe that they had simply written a blog post and did not ask anyone of the "insulted" race to read it.

but i do agree dat the lees are being oversensitive to their political opponents. this in itself will probably turn most people against them. they seem to be losing popularity quickly. unless they manage to somehow improve the economy, they will probably be voted out within the next 1 or 2 elections. provided the opposition parties are capable.


I somewhat agree to what you said, but i think lee is a bit tyranny, look at america, they could accept criticism, not like the Lees =.=
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And btw, 66.6% of people voted for PAP, see what happen? the gst and elctricity bill rising, now they complaining, they vote they complain =.=
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And btw, 66.6% of people voted for PAP, see what happen? the gst and elctricity bill rising, now they complaining, they vote they complain =.=


agreed. its quite saddening. but i dont think the majority of sgreans would expect the economy to go down so fast lucky im in the states now and dont hav to pay double for my taxi bills. or so i heard
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SIAO eh have you all wondered everything you said here can be used against you in court=.-


i dun give a damn! For the sake of Singapore in the future
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i think LKY is being unfair to all other countries...i mean the laws he created is too harsh for someone who are bit innocent....
And freedom of speech here is totally nuts! He bans frm protesting and speech. And the ppl had no choice but to obey him like god. Or else fear the laws of Singapore....
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SIAO eh have you all wondered everything you said here can be used against you in court=.-


If LKY can't accept criticism, it just proves that he's petty, he should just step down, I don't even like lee hsien loong and the PAP lor
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i think LKY is being unfair to all other countries...i mean the laws he created is too harsh for someone who are bit innocent....
And freedom of speech here is totally nuts! He bans frm protesting and speech. And the ppl had no choice but to obey him like god. Or else fear the laws of Singapore....


Yeah, Singaporeans doesn't even have the freedom of speech, he even tries to stop us from using dialect =.=
Posted 7/1/08
LOL you guys ought to chill. next time go be politicians leh
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LOL you guys ought to chill. next time go be politicians leh


cannot la, my combine humanity get f9 how to be?
Posted 7/1/08

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cyj-122 wrote:

LOL you guys ought to chill. next time go be politicians leh


cannot la, my combine humanity get f9 how to be?






-.- then study harder. good leh, got spirit and burning passion to serve singapore. LOL use actions to prove. go for it man
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ygaaraq wrote:


cyj-122 wrote:

LOL you guys ought to chill. next time go be politicians leh


cannot la, my combine humanity get f9 how to be?






-.- then study harder. good leh, got spirit and burning passion to serve singapore. LOL use actions to prove. go for it man


no la i only trying to express our unhappiness onli, and i don't wan be politician, i just wan to have normal job, earn money to provide for myself and stay home on com onli ^^
Posted 7/1/08
LMAO LMAO LMAO then talk talk also no use. must have actions.LOL i bet you will dislike the society still when you are working
Posted 7/2/08

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well i want to tell u this, Lee is planning to make Singapore a completely CHINESE STATE. where all other race will wipe from this land. I would say this is not racial harmony, looks to me like rascist harmony. Those who opposing him shall get rid from this country even Chinese politician e.g Chee Soo Juan. I really dunno how they going to that, thats wat my uncle told me. We must change the party, get a new life. A new future for Singapore where racial harmony cann last forever and ever. Whereas Lee use his power to plan on staying alive the government, and let his children(Lee Hsein Loong)rule Singapore till the end. Lee is indeed a smartest politician, where he try manipulate the use of power to his ppl. I feel this is so unfair to malays and indians singaporeans.


Are you sure you are alright? Or are you joking? If what you say is true , can you give us some support or evidence? How in the world will you think that Lee want to make singapore a completely chinese state? To me that can't be happeing cause if you make other races in our country angry , the consequences will be pretty bad , Malaysia and indonesia won't let us off easily if Singapore discriminate malay or indian. One more thing is that our culture is build up due to different races living together harmony , hence if we get rid of other races , our culture wil just fall. By the way , why care if Lee dynasty will be over if they are good leaders that lead Singapore to grow? If their dynasty can bring Singapore to move on , I rather they don't fall . They made what Singapore is today , so we sould just turn a blind eyes on some of their mistake they have done and compliment on their acheivement. But then to answer to the question , I think their dynasty will be over soon cos there aren't any better candidate from their children to be the next prime minister.


i really dun have evidence on this, coz it came directly frm a mouth of a PAP grassroot member who dig out secrets of PAP. Also proof doesnt give a real proof as it can be fake sometimes. He knows well wat PAP trying to do in the future. Okay about the thing u said, i know that Lee Kuan Yew is a good leader which bring Singapore to new heights BUT there is a bad side of him, and that thing is state transformation. I want to tell u something, who control mostly the military and the police? The chinese right? You know y chinese, if it control by malay, coz in case of war with malaysia the malay high rankin officers may turn their side to Singapore coz malaysia are majority malays so they want to protect their original land. Its all making sense, Lee is smart thats wat i said, he can anytime contrrol the military or police for his own good. He can use ISA as a weapon to use on political enemies like Chee Soo Juan party.




I know about the military part , but that does not show that it is state transforming , it is just taking precaution. Look at our president , he is not chinese and alot of other high ranking post except for military and defence is non-chinese as well. Why do you think i say that we will be in deep trouble when we discriminate other races? That is because when war happen , other races will take the chance to fight back if we discriminate them. So in whole , It is still not state-transforming , It is just taking precaution . To show that i understand the military part, I like to state this, people in army learn order and command in malay because by doing this , if we really have war with malaysia(which is the most likely opponent if we really have a war , I did state IF!! and the % of If is really low) we will understand the enemy command and can counter attack using these command. By the way did you know why Chee Soo Juan hate Lee so much? He have his reason but his reason is really stupid , i won't go into greater detail . If you think Chee Soo Juan is right, see the number of votes that he recieve in the election. Even the citizen think he is just someone crazy. It is right to sue Chee Soo Juan , he is insulting without any support , if Lee take in the insult it will just show that the insult is correct , this will just bring down his status and status is really important in politic , without status people won't listen to you , will you really listen to someone that can't even protest a insult ? By the way i am not a lee supporter , but than I can't deny his achievement and what he have done for Singapore.

PS:Finally have some discussion forum lol , keep it up , have fun discussing this topic with you azera , learn alot.


Wow, its getting heated up here. But honestly speaking, we are just members of the public. It is NOT fair to claim that MM Lee is trying to wipe out the other races WITHOUT PROOF. [Anyway, no offense but if you make a claim about the govt without proof and get caught, you might be fined/jailed/etc.] MM Lee knows about how Singapore started out as a free port with people from all races, and he would not have the rights to just one day destory this unique thing about Singapore, and all the culture associated with it.
But whatever is it, I don't really know if it is true, I hope that no one gets into trouble by a debate like this. Just accept the govt for now, when we have the chance to choose our govt, then I feel is the time to debate.

Anyway, learnt a lot from the debate, haha.
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