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Cyber Bullying
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Omok wrote:

as for cyber bullying, its fairly different from real life bullying, most of the time, you DON'T KNOW whose the person bullying you. They could be sending you threat mails and spamming you on MSN, stalking you on the forums you go to. Sending you perverted pictures------yes big shocker, cyber bullying is a lot more than what we're talking about here, majority of the forum posts on this thread just assumes cyber bullying is merely flamming another person. True and not True at the same time...there are different forms of it where the person being bullied can do NOTHING. You can't grow up and move on.


Sorry if I tend to simplify things, but I didn't mean to make it seem like I was putting a period on the issue. My point is not to complicate things. I agree with you on the issues of real life bullying, but cyber bullying is overrated. It's just a bunch of text.

It's so much easier to ignore online bullying and just walk away. There is no threat of retribution, and as you said, anonymity saves you face from any form of social humiliation you might encounter. Another thing is that it's a virtual world. Nothing here is real. Hate the reputation you've put up due to someone bullying you? Create another account and build a new alter-ego.

Of course, this may be a matter of attitude, and I may find such structures easy to either overcome of overlook. However, the fact of the matter is that this is something that may or may not have any bearing on your real life in the real world. It's a question of whether or not you'll allow cyber bullying to affect who you are, as a person, in the real world ~ and quite frankly, anyone who is moved to whine over a bunch of text flying around the screen is either being too emotional, or is simply too insecure to even assure themselves that all that the bully is telling them (in text) is a bunch of bullshit.

Growing up can be as simple as ignoring the bully and moving on. He won't tug your shoulder, force you to stay, or pound you down for your money. He won't even be able to continuously charr your name or badger you with verbal insults. Block them from sending you messages, ignore them... this is the internet. Either I'm making an anthill out of a mountain, or people are making a mountain out of an anthill ~ either way, online bullying is a bit easier to handle despite being mechanistically similar to real life bullying.


Well, we first have to take in the fact that everyone is different, everyone will act differently to each issue they encounter.

the theory of the things we see/feel/meet on the internet being 'unreal' is kinda highly debatable. For example, if i see a picture of a friend of mine online, is it really their picture? now, thats' highly questionable. But on the other hand, if I laugh at a joke that an online friend of mine cracks------is that fake? No it isn't.

So same goes to the feelings of fear, hate, anger, sorrow---whatever/etc that we built up here on the net, if someone threatens you, 'You' may not feel fear----while on the other hand, i may.

Like I've said, online bullies can be someone you know in real life. Some times you may have no idea who is attacking you nor why. but they just ARE. They could be naming things about you on top of their heads just to creep you out. ----its creepy, its scary, and I don't think you can just 'walk away' from that now can you?

We can argue on forever about whether Cyber bullying is easier to deal with or Real life bullying is easier. but we first have to see......what really is 'easy'? In real life, you can fight back because you know WHO it is. but online if the person wants to try hard enough they could hid their idientiy from you. Yeah sure, its easy to ignore when its just another person online. --- but can you keep ignoring it when they'll know your new E-mail every time you make one because they could JUST be a friend of yours in RL and you'll tell he/she every time? and can you keep ignoring it when threat messages keep showing up and that person or people can NAME things you did that day, and things about YOU...?

now now, I know just like you---who made things sound too simple---I have made things sound too complex, the truth is some where in between, there really is no 'bright answer' to this. >_<; the message i'm basically trying to get across here to you, and to EVERYONE else----------

Cyber bullying sucks. and its not simple like how most of us presume it to be.
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SayoteRepublic wrote:


macphapie wrote:


SayoteRepublic wrote:


edsamac wrote:

^ LOL that you don't seem to learn.

Anyway, so that I'm not accused of going off topic, cyber bullying is just like real-life bullying... it happens all the time, simply because we're talking about human subjects. The difference is, there's no fear of physical retribution, so it's a no-holds bar match. Whoever can keep their wit is the winner... it's as simple as that. If you're going to whine about people being mean to you, you're just being a little wuss that can't do much but whine and cry. And as for the other party, try step up the ante in real life and see if it gets you anywhere. Bottom line is, both the bully and the "bullied" need to get their act together. Grow up and move on.


haha look at it now weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.........



truly, I admire your courage


hes going to ban me on the first day i made this account lol



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lol @edsamac it doesn't seem to look like he was looking for an exemption or anything.


Are you stupid? Obviously you have a problem with the mods. It's pretty clear that you are the same person and I suggest you take that shit off your status about RYOKUCHA, she's actually very nice!
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Omok wrote:

Well, we first have to take in the fact that everyone is different, everyone will act differently to each issue they encounter.


Touche, but online, we create impressions that affect the way people interact with us. I don't know what it is that people do online to get bullied, because most online actions are through written text or uploaded equivalents. Rule of thumb is to be careful with what you do online, and how you present yourself.

Plastic, or paranoid? You decide.


the theory of the things we see/feel/meet on the internet being 'unreal' is kinda highly debatable. For example, if i see a picture of a friend of mine online, is it really their picture? now, thats' highly questionable. But on the other hand, if I laugh at a joke that an online friend of mine cracks------is that fake? No it isn't.

So same goes to the feelings of fear, hate, anger, sorrow---whatever/etc that we built up here on the net, if someone threatens you, 'You' may not feel fear----while on the other hand, i may.


Good point. However, I was referring to the concrete reality of online interaction. There is no physical retribution, but as you put it, there is psychological stimulation (i.e. frustration, anger, intimidation, etc.)


Like I've said, online bullies can be someone you know in real life. Some times you may have no idea who is attacking you nor why. but they just ARE. They could be naming things about you on top of their heads just to creep you out. ----its creepy, its scary, and I don't think you can just 'walk away' from that now can you?


Aren't you just being paranoid? If you knew that your bully was on the same website as you, why would you make it obvious as to who you are to him? And why would it matter who is bullying you? They're just another anonymous person online...


We can argue on forever about whether Cyber bullying is easier to deal with or Real life bullying is easier. but we first have to see......what really is 'easy'?


I should rephrase... online bullying is "simpler" to handle... not easier. No need to enter semantics, there.


In real life, you can fight back because you know WHO it is.


In the cyber world, you can fight back because you don't know who it is, and neither do they know you (if you're smart).


but online if the person wants to try hard enough they could hid their idientiy from you.


If they're able to identify who you are, then you're either overexposing yourself, or you're a little naive to leek sensitive information online.


Yeah sure, its easy to ignore when its just another person online. --- but can you keep ignoring it when they'll know your new E-mail every time you make one because they could JUST be a friend of yours in RL and you'll tell he/she every time?


Paranoid again? There are message blocking services available... you don't need to ignore, you can forget.


and can you keep ignoring it when threat messages keep showing up and that person or people can NAME things you did that day, and things about YOU...?


I thought we were talking about bullies, not stalkers.


now now, I know just like you---who made things sound too simple---I have made things sound too complex


Uhuh... you got that right.


the truth is some where in between, there really is no 'bright answer' to this. >_<;


Most definitely. I'm not saying my answer is THE answer... I'm just stating my opinion. Whether or not it sheds some "light" is up to you (or everyone else, for that matter).


the message i'm basically trying to get across here to you, and to EVERYONE else----------

Cyber bullying sucks. and its not simple like how most of us presume it to be.


Amen. Except for the simple part... it can be simple if you let it be simple. I'll just leave it at that.
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Well, if that ...eh...bully can keep on naming things about you that you didn't spread out on the net, or is able to name things that you did that day........I'm pretty darn sure its not just being paranoid that you may know that person in RL o______o;
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Omok wrote:

Well, if that ...eh...bully can keep on naming things about you that you didn't spread out on the net, or is able to name things that you did that day........I'm pretty darn sure its not just being paranoid that you may know that person in RL o______o;


The question is how that person figured out who you are online. It doesn't make sense for someone who knows you in real life to sprout out details like that if they don't know, before hand, that you are indeed the person who they think you are. In short, there's something you did that made it obvious to that person that you are, indeed, who you are in RL. Anyone who is careful about their own online security should make it a point to keep their online anonymity for security purposes, and to avoid incidents like this from happening.
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It is just internet, who takes internet fighting seriously? <_<


hmm i think mhck026 he stalk almost all our members.
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LeapofFateAMV wrote:

I approve of this thread

*puts DW stamp of approval*

As for cyber bullying goes, I find that people really take this too seriously at times.For example, people on myspace that get "bullied" on that site tend to do stupid things to try to get away from it. The easy way to get out of cyber bullying is just to close your account and make a new one. Simple as that. If it is a major problem such as, someone actually knows you and is bullying you in real life and on the internet than tell someone about it. It isn't that hard.

It is just internet, who takes internet fighting seriously? <_<


exactly. I also agree that people tend to put too much thought into it, but I won't deny the fact that human emotions are at stake.

If you can't take the tension, inform a mod. At the very least, we can police the situation and give the victim enough room to be free from harassment. Honestly, if you want something to be done (in the case of the victim), stand up and make your voice heard. Who the hell cares if you're called a tattle-tail ~ that cliche is so passe... who the effin' cares. The guy swallowed his pride to report someone who was being an asshole: that takes courage, and that's something many people can't seem to do in real life due to fear of retribution.

This is the cyber world. Ideally, your identity should be anonymous, so I'm discounting any possibility of information leakage. If your identity has been leaked, that would most probably be your fault. Be careful, next time ~ we can't say we didn't warn you, and bullies/stalkers/assholes will be present on online forums just as much as they will be in real life.
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LeapofFateAMV wrote:


-Athrine- wrote:


LeapofFateAMV wrote:


It is just internet, who takes internet fighting seriously? <_<


hmm i think mhck026 he stalk almost all our members.


lol
Yeah, I remember him well V__V
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LeapofFateAMV wrote:

For the tattle-tale part, I agree with you but there is a social norm that people can not get away from. On the internet it is completely easy to tell someone a problem because your identity is not at stake but in RL it is very different. There are people that actually know you can pressure you into not doing things you don't want to do. People in real life are scared of the "consequences" that may befall them if they snitch on someone which I find completely ridiculous.


Yup. The beauty of freedom from retribution due to online anonymity. People should take this to their advantage, but should not be naive to think that the same system will work in the real world. However, there are instances where "whistle blowing" is and should be the normative course of action - even if it means putting your life (or loved ones) in jeopardy. But that's already missing the point, altogether.

We're talking about online bullies ~ cyberbullies at that. As far as this issue is concerned, I see little reason as to why people would get so worked up with it.
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why i need to posted something to forum?
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Only retards do it.
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To everyone being little bitches about "Cyber bullying".



Tits or GTFO.
Posted 6/14/08

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A girl at my school, she once was in love with someone. I think he probably rejected her already, but she couldn't accept that, and sent him some naked pictures of herself.
That, of course, is a very dumb thing to do.

That guy, well, he didn't do anything with the pictures. He just wasn't interested in her.
When his brother found the pictures on the computer, he forwarded it to all of his friends. This is how, soon, every single person at my school, and most of the people from the small village she lives in, found her naked pictures in their inbox.
Some people who thought they were being funny even printed those pictures, and handed them out at school.

I can't understand why you would send naked pictures of yourself to the person you love. But she obviously trusted him, and knew he wouldn't show them to other people.
Everyone talked about this incident. They all said it was her own fault (which, of course, is true), but I think that this guys brother is the one who is really to blame. Would you forward someone's naked pictures? I certainly wouldn't. That guys brother started it. He knew how much damage this could do to this girl and her family.

This isn't something you'd think about when people say 'cyber bullying', but I think it is cyber bullying in a certain way. For example, I once saw photoshopped pictures of someone. It was just a normal picture, but they edited in a way that it looked as if this girl was giving someone a blowjob.

Just insulting someone through the internet, well, I don't think that can hurt that much. But the real danger of cyber bullying might be the visual content. Pictures will stay on the internet for an eternity.

How would you react when you found an edited picture of yourself. Or when you found out that naked pictures you sent without thinking properly, months ago, are now being send to everyone you know?
I think it'll hurt much more than bullying in real life ever could.

I'm sorry but it wasn't the boys fault at all really. He did a bad thing yes, but because she PUT the pictures in his possession, he was free to do whatever he wanted with them, including being a total D-bag. Now you could say she didn't send them to him but her brother, but she sent it to a shared computer, so like I said, not anybodys fault but her own.

I think this brings up a issue of people with such low self esteem, low confidence, and just really desperate to try to be with somebody at a young age. When your young the only thing on your mind shouldn't be "love". And even if it is, if you act like a desperate whorey idiot (no offense to anybody) you wont be getting anything from anybody, except maybe a one night stand. People would prefer a fat ugly chick with self esteem rather then a beautiful girl with no self confidence >_>

And never, EVER, EVERVERVERVERVERVERVEREVER, let nude pictures of you get on the internet, even though this should be obvious without me saying anything...
Posted 6/14/08
Cyber-bullying is lolz. If it actually hurts your feelings because random people talk about you then your pathetic, sorry just the truth.

And to people who think bullying in real life takes more balls, let me tell you this. How does it take more balls to pick on people in front of you that you KNOW are weaker then you and that you can take? In both case's, the punk bullies are making sure they won't get hurt, the only difference is one ONLY targets the weak, while a cyber bully will target anybody because he knows it will never bite him in the ass. If you don't believe me tell me one

A) Gangsta type person
B) Buff Person
C) A known fighter or martial artist
D) Me
Who has been bullied? Of course you they won't mess with people like that, because they will get f**cked up.
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And never, EVER, EVERVERVERVERVERVERVEREVER, let nude pictures of you get on the internet, even though this should be obvious without me saying anything...


I agree with you and, Yes it is obvious but people don't think these days anymore...
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