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Conformity the Obligatory adherence in today's society
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What if one requires others to forge his identity, to affirm the meaning of his life, to just be happy? What happens when one's aspirations require conformity in order to be actualized? This is where dilemmas are introduced.

Although I do my fair share of criticizing the robots of our society and the constructs that create them while imagining I've somehow transcended it all, I have to wonder if I'm justified. Proper judgment requires thorough discussion with and analysis of another's identity rather than simply his actions, as any action X can have a number of causes and intended goals. I often find that those who seem like machines have simply weighed their options--to pretend that they're part of a greater system or to affirm themselves as individuals, for example--to determine which is most likely to achieve their goals. As survival usually tops the list, people are willing to dismiss their dreams for the sake of safety, to submit their freedom to the grand ideal of longevity.

And then we must consider the validity of the "identity" concept. If our environment shapes who we are, why can it not shape us to be fit for a life of general conformity? Thus becoming more aware of "ourselves" and how we are created could be considered detrimental in that it produces "real" individuals (those who are not simply anybodies), or at least conceptions of what constitutes a "real" individual, who inevitably clash with society such that discontent is perpetuated. In other words, being exposed to ideas that we each have a unique identity and/or function in life whose discovery and affirmation are the responsibility of the individual alone breeds unhappiness among both those who accept the theory and those who are mere robots. Unity, and thus the potential for a happy unity, is defeated. I'd say this is the other side of the coin.
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First, in your post there are a lot of spelling and grammatical errors as well as words that don't actually exist. Second, by delusion I don't mean hallucinations or anything physiological or psychological but any belief that is held by a person that is contrary to facts. It is also easy to confuse conformity with human nature. Many people will have similar aspirations due to the simple fact that they are human, or have had the similar experiences, lived in the area, etc. I have never seen a person who has interests that are completely unlike anyone else's.
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it just seems to me like you're writing out a science essay.
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helena91 wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:


helena91 wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:


helena91 wrote:

Bascially you are asking an impossible question,
What is the point of our life??
Truly I don't know what it is I don't think any philosopher even knows.
That is a question that shall not be answered till we die.
BTW this should be in the extended section by rights


I know but yet again their's not an accumulative audience ,which is the main reason why i did put this topic in the General section.

I understand but honestly, you are not going to get a very good response unless you simplify your post,
otherwise, your thread will be ruined with stupid people obtruding nonsense on here.




Im very aware of such protrusions.<_<


Good to know but the mods will lock if people can not grip the meanng.
But back on topic,
Life has diffrent meaning for everyone, For me its to be happy others might choose succes,
But the true meaning of life is unknown, even faith can not explain it.


ITT: We pretend to understand what the fuck we are talking about.

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hm well you just asked the meaning of life question that without going into too much detail is just a secular pilisophical point of view is that there is no definate meaning of life, that we as human beings are just an anomaly in the universe, brought about by chance evolution on the the other hand another veiw and going into christianity, God put us on this earth for a purpose and people have a choice to obey God or not. but thats only two points of view there could be more that i don't know in depth but these are they two i know most about.
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ArchangelElitest wrote:

First, in your post there are a lot of spelling and grammatical errors as well as words that don't actually exist. Second, by delusion I don't mean hallucinations or anything physiological or psychological but any belief that is held by a person that is contrary to facts. It is also easy to confuse conformity with human nature. Many people will have similar aspirations due to the simple fact that they are human, or have had the similar experiences, lived in the area, etc. I have never seen a person who has interests that are completely unlike anyone else's.


hmm ?? quote me next time and tell me where im wrong grammatical error? Where? Be more provisional next time?I never said they weren't like anyone else's but basism and emotions are different then the same cognitive equaled interests read my post plz.<_<Ermm it's not physiological its environmental perception read my post plz <_<.This post has no relevance or validity plz instate a proper jucidual response.Environemntal perception can also be affected by light and the enactment of neuron's thats how we gather and fathom the world around us?.<_<Im not confusing conformity with human nature people appease by conformity for comfort or for the fact that they feel lesser or to oblige by the system.Plus i have lived conformity its not pleasant at all infact it was ceremoniously a hell hole. I made a few mistakes mainly just forgetting an s or adding one letter ermm that's not a really examplified promotion to your cause.
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What does it mean to exist? To further aspirations that will not be concieved by the world or to flounder in society's rancidness.

To Conform is to necessitate yourself as a progmatic individual abiding by any illusion which is not yourself.To furtherly exist is by have some reprehension of living and to condense meaning from fiction.Which is meaning is why to live ,why to aspire,why disclose feelings that are tracked through media.In having an inventory of affirmation one becomes metaphysically stronger and less subtle to societal protocals.An inventory consists of importance but importance that is pervayed by yourself and only by yourself.


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Oh goodness. This is a terrible topic. It's a breeding ground for elitists. Honestly, your language is excessively inflated and shallow. 17 years old? Was this an essay topic that you just got assigned in English class? Don't forget to edit and correct your spelling and grammar mistakes before you turn this in. =P Just kidding!
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crunchyaddic45 wrote:

hm well you just asked the meaning of life question that without going into too much detail is just a secular pilisophical point of view is that there is no definate meaning of life, that we as human beings are just an anomaly in the universe, brought about by chance evolution on the the other hand another veiw and going into christianity, God put us on this earth for a purpose and people have a choice to obey God or not. but thats only two points of view there could be more that i don't know in depth but these are they two i know most about.


I was talking about how to live the pretenses of existentialism.We constitute the world around us when we see in curved lines not necessarily in lineation.If we see ourselves promote our interests and denote posession we may have been able to contrite a world.We live by our interests and thus they should be furthered through the extension of body, soul, heart and mind.Thus giving us a sense of realism and no falsehood is acquitted.
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Bleachloverf wrote:

What does it mean to exist? To further aspirations that will not be concieved by the world or to flounder in society's rancidness.

To Conform is to necessitate yourself as a progmatic individual abiding by any illusion which is not yourself.To furtherly exist is by have some reprehension of living and to condense meaning from fiction.Which is meaning is why to live ,why to aspire,why disclose feelings that are tracked through media.In having an inventory of affirmation one becomes metaphysically stronger and less subtle to societal protocals.An inventory consists of importance but importance that is pervayed by yourself and only by yourself.


Care to Deliberate?


Oh goodness. This is a terrible topic. It's a breeding ground for elitists. Honestly, your language is excessively inflated and shallow. 17 years old? Was this an essay topic that you just got assigned in English class? Don't forget to edit and correct your spelling and grammar mistakes before you turn this in. =P Just kidding!


Someone's miscontrueding the whole point of this thread but i have some agreeance <_<.Your mockery is self-indulgent and highly stagnant.I couldn't care less with such small grammatical errors if portrayed in my paragraph.
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Bleachloverf wrote:


hespernhu wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:

Someone's miscontrueding the whole point of this thread but i have some agreeance <_<.Your mockery is self-indulgent and highly stagnant.I couldn't care less with such small grammatical errors if portrayed in my paragraph.



I was just teasing you in good fun. To call it mocking would be contrary to my intentions. However, I still find your language to be rather verbose. Out of curiosity, do you talk in the same manner that you write?
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hespernhu wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:


hespernhu wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:

Someone's miscontrueding the whole point of this thread but i have some agreeance <_<.Your mockery is self-indulgent and highly stagnant.I couldn't care less with such small grammatical errors if portrayed in my paragraph.



I was just teasing you in good fun. To call it mocking would be contrary to my intentions. However, I still find your language to be rather verbose. Out of curiosity, do you talk in the same manner that you write?


Sometimes when im talking about politics or one of my interests, when im immersed in that particular interest.I usually tend not to talk like this because people take it in an omnious way. Its not right to talk to people who can't converse with the same eulogy of the english language.
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I'd love to participate in this "discussion," but it seems like the topic creator is using way too many big and fancy synonyms to make themselves seem smarter than they are, when there's plenty of other more common terms that they could use to say the exact same thing, which is kind of annoying.

But, I guess I'll say that no matter how "unique" you think you are, you'll always be conforming to one group or another, so aspiring to be an individual isn't as easy or as highly valued as it used to be a few hundred years ago or so (maybe even sooner than that).
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I'd love to participate in this "discussion," but it seems like the topic creator is using way too many big and fancy synonyms to make themselves seem smarter than they are, when there's plenty of other more common terms that they could use to say the exact same thing, which is kind of annoying.

Sorry i just like being creative .<_<
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Bleachloverf wrote:


Cuddlebuns wrote:

I'd love to participate in this "discussion," but it seems like the topic creator is using way too many big and fancy synonyms to make themselves seem smarter than they are, when there's plenty of other more common terms that they could use to say the exact same thing, which is kind of annoying.

Sorry i just like being creative .<_<


Well there's nothing wrong with that, just save it for your English teacher or any of your other friends who happen to speak the same way. Using all of that unnecessarily fancy language excludes a lot of people (including myself) from the discussion and makes it hard for them to understand exactly what the topic is about.
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Cuddlebuns wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:


Cuddlebuns wrote:

I'd love to participate in this "discussion," but it seems like the topic creator is using way too many big and fancy synonyms to make themselves seem smarter than they are, when there's plenty of other more common terms that they could use to say the exact same thing, which is kind of annoying.

Sorry i just like being creative .<_<


Well there's nothing wrong with that, just save it for your English teacher or any of your other friends who happen to speak the same way. Using all of that unnecessarily fancy language excludes a lot of people (including myself) from the discussion and makes it hard for them to understand exactly what the topic is about.


Im home schooled anyways meh.<_<
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