Post Reply Our Never-Ending Debt, and it's Imposibility to Pay!
Moderator
3852 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
31 / M / southern california
Offline
Posted 6/8/08
I had a good lesson tonight at church, I wish to share, I have added some things left out due to the time restraint given for the sermon.

Most Christians can recite this verse off the top of their head, and if not they know it well to say the least: (Mathew 6:9-15) "Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread.12- Forgive us our debts as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation but deliver us from the evil one."

I quoted directly out of my study bible (I think I have 5 different versions, you can pm me if you wish one of those instead) "The New international Version" but verse 12 is the focus tonight.

It has also been known to read as "and forgive us our sins, as we have forgiven those who have sinned against us." Which I believe is more accurate. (International Standard Version)

also reference: New American Standard Bible (©1995) (Luke 11:4)
"And forgive us our sins, For we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.'"


Depending on the translation you get a different twist on the same passage, as my pastor pointed out (as I understand it), Mathew was referring to sin, and those who sinned against us rather it be money or anything else.

Now take this into consideration: To break one of the Ten Commandments is to commit sin.
If you break one you break them all. Example: If you look at another woman with lust you are committing adultery. So everyone will break at least one commandment and more than once. Jesus is the redeemer for those who accept him as their Savior. Yes Christians will commit sin and break a commandment.


none of us can be perfect as for the passage (Matt. 5:48) - "you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect"

But everyone falls short, and with that the only choice given to you to repay your debt, to forgive your sin is the blood of Jesus and His grace.

Comment, questions? post them here, primarily if possible we are looking at verse 12 in Mathew.
Member
2697 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
M / at the computer
Offline
Posted 6/16/08 , edited 6/16/08
Don't hold grudges.
Moderator
3852 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
31 / M / southern california
Offline
Posted 6/17/08
precisely, if someone has wronged you how many times should you forgive them? 7 times? 70 times? no 70 * 7 or in a nut shell as much as you can. I love being able to have an entire message on one verse, disect it to where you might not only obtain the knowledge but that you might maintain it and retain it as well. But yes if someone sins against you I don't think we need to remind them of it, nor do I think we should remember it, but like our slate, whipe it clean as snow, well whiten it....I think my slab needs some bleach.

Always;

Cry
Member
3664 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
F / The road less tra...
Offline
Posted 6/17/08
Yah, we should always forgive anyone at anytime. No matter what they do to us. That's the best way to get through life. Without holdin grudges and with forgiven others, we won't have much to regret. It'll be easier to not sin if we have a clear conscience.

How hard can it be for us to forgive each other, when God did it for us, knowin all of our sins? He even proved it to us with his Son, so can't we do this one simple thing?
"And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all tresspasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. Colossians 2:13-14" Of course, we're mearly human, but that's no excuse. It's our own decision, and we'd better make the right one.

"I can forgive, but I cannot forget," is only another way of saying, "I will not forgive." A forgiveness ought to be like a cancelled note, torn in two and burned up, so that it can never be shown against the man. -Henry Ward Beecher

Don't be selfish. Forgive your friends, family, and enimies. Nothin they can do is worth breakin God's Will. Forgive and Forget.
Moderator
14744 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
64 / M / FL. But, I (May...
Offline
Posted 6/17/08

cryolyger wrote:

if someone has wronged you how many times should you forgive them? 7 times? 70 times? no 70 * 7 or in a nut shell as much as you can. I love being able to have an entire message on one verse, disect it to where you might not only obtain the knowledge but that you might maintain it and retain it as well. But yes if someone sins against you I don't think we need to remind them of it, nor do I think we should remember it, but like our slate, whipe it clean as snow, well whiten it


We should think of this when dealing with Youaredumb
Moderator
3852 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
31 / M / southern california
Offline
Posted 6/17/08
Thankfully this part I have down. I am easy to forget, and usually slow to anger. So by the time my wrath fades so as my hate of the matter. And youaredumb is not the only one that troubles my nights.
Moderator
3852 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
31 / M / southern california
Offline
Posted 6/17/08
the perfect follow up:


"And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all tresspasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. Colossians 2:13-14"


We are forever sinners, and through constant grace, through Christ, we are forgiven and made anew.

lastly I found one of my favorite verses, ill re-instate it here: (Matthew 18:21-22)
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times. (NIV)

I will end with the words of Luke: (Luke 6:37)
Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. (NIV)
Member
2697 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
M / at the computer
Offline
Posted 6/21/08 , edited 6/21/08

Ratman21 wrote:


cryolyger wrote:

if someone has wronged you how many times should you forgive them? 7 times? 70 times? no 70 * 7 or in a nut shell as much as you can. I love being able to have an entire message on one verse, disect it to where you might not only obtain the knowledge but that you might maintain it and retain it as well. But yes if someone sins against you I don't think we need to remind them of it, nor do I think we should remember it, but like our slate, whipe it clean as snow, well whiten it


We should think of this when dealing with Youaredumb


been awhile since I dealt with him.

I usually forget those things anyway, but it's hard if the person did something I really didn't like. I'm can still remember when, an acquantance of mine, left me to pick up a mess that he made. I'd prefer to forget about it...but it's not easy.
Moderator
3852 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
31 / M / southern california
Offline
Posted 6/21/08
well it just is something that takes time, WWJD, Its so easy to stay in anger, but once you let it go you feel so free and you feel so much better. As hard as it may be to imagine try taking nothing of this nature serious, try and forget about it the second it happens, and like I tell my brother or my friends, when they wrong me or appologize to me, I forgave you before you did it. That is the approach we should take when dealing with people of the world or dealing with a sin against us. I always remember this verse whenever I am thinking of forgiving someone, "how often should we forgive our brothers 7 times? 70 times? and of course we know the response is 70x7= which is a way of saying as much as it takes, I believe.
You must be logged in to post.