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Wait - NOT AT WAR? THEY JUST AUTHORISED FULL-SCALE WAR BY OKAYING REACTION WEAPONRY. HOW IS THAT NOT AT WAR?
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Wait - NOT AT WAR? THEY JUST AUTHORISED FULL-SCALE WAR BY OKAYING REACTION WEAPONRY. HOW IS THAT NOT AT WAR?


thats not war that just authorizing the use of very powerful weaponry. all countries do that. in order to use the big bad weapon authorization must be given just so it can be accounted for. meanning if use of big bad weaponry dosent work, then a fall guy is in place already.
its not like the original macross where they truly were at war.
now when the big bad boss announces to the fleet that they are at war then it truly is war. and to make it final, authorization of the big bad gun will given.

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Don't get me wrong. I don't hate Macross Frontier. I'm just disappointed because this anime showed so much promise. It could have been greater than this. It could have been THE Macross of the 21st century. Instead it's devolving into another one of those other shonen animes that is to be easily forgotten among the ranks of all the other animes released this year. Next year, I bet most people would have forgotten Macross Frontier.


Considering that it is probably one of only two good anime that are currently running (VERY weak schedule this summer season) and that the other is Code Geass R2 (which thankfully is not being a complete repeat of last season), I highly doubt that Macross Frontier will be forgotten anytime soon...

Anyways, my only problem with this series is that it seems way too random right now...So they're being attacked by some insectoid bio-weapons. Uh...Why? And then you see them go from seeming almost unbeatable to pretty much pathetic (ep 1 vs ep 7 vs ep 14)... >.< ...I am just looking for a bit more development of this "war" to take place...

As for the whole student/soldier thing, it doesn't bug me quite as much as the first issue (I'd be mostly fine with it if the first issue were resolved). It'd make more sense if the war caused NUNS / SMS to be shorthanded and they had to draft younger soldiers (this would fit Macross like a glove...10 years of UN Wars left UNS shorthanded and thus the younger age of some characters in SDF). But hey, I can live with it as it is now, because it works. I mean, thus far its not great like Zero was in how it was thought out and explained, but there is still half of the series to go and therefore lots of time left to improve...
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...which is what Frontier seems to be doing a lot - reveal something, sit on it for too long a time without developing it, and then shoving it in your face. It's like Luca and Nanase. I was honestly suprised when he did all the typical things that a young lad in love would start doing when he wants to confess. "When I come back I want to tell you something" AHAHAHAHA. Damnit. How typical. I digress, what I wanted to say was I didn't see it coming. Then I re-watch a few episodes and then realise that hints were given for it a few episodes back. See, that's what I mean. Frontier reveals something, and doesn't progress it for a few episodes, and then suddenly shoves it in your face. Argh.


I think this is pretty much the essence of what's been weighing down the series. Since episode 7, it's really been spinning its wheels. The various plots and characters were all progressing at a nice pace. Since then, nothing much has been going on with Altoh (we already knew he doesn't get along with his dad, but all the character development in the second half of the series-so-far has just been to remind us of that), even less with Sheryl, and yeah, a bit with Ranka but nothing all that substantial aside from dangling the hint of a connection with Mao Nome (and only recently, the Vajra). New hooks (Michel + Klan, and especially Luca + Nanase), like you said, suddenly explode on the scene, then immediately get buried for the indefinite future. Most frustrating of all, we've learned nothing about the Vajra!

I'm optimistic, though. Episodes 13 and 14 are hinting at there being more to our alien bad-guys than mere service as mindless drones. We're about halfway through the series, so we'll begin to see things coming together - I really, really hope.
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I'm optimistic, though. Episodes 13 and 14 are hinting at there being more to our alien bad-guys than mere service as mindless drones. We're about halfway through the series, so we'll begin to see things coming together - I really, really hope.


Exactly! Maybe we will see a second series this year pull a Gundam 00 and be good in the beginning, but fade to mediocrity, and then rapidly build to an epic cliffhanger...Well maybe no cliffhanger (at least not one that potentially kills or in some way maims half of the characters), but still I think it'd be pretty hard to argue that the second half of Gundam 00 was significantly better than the first. My hope is that Macross Frontier will follow a similar path... ^.^
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I had a sit down today and thought about Macross Frontier. Sure it's a good show but I'm getting increasingly annoyed with some aspects of it. Most people don't care because it's got good music and mecha porn, but as a Macross fanboy, I'm not sure if I can take too much of these imperfections.

I've listed some grieviances down below that I take offense to with Macross Frontier.

1. Animation Quality
You may ask, what the hell, animation quality? But this show's been nothing but good animation quality so far! And I do agree, The animation quality on several shots are top notch. However, sometimes the animation quality goes from awesome to downright crap. It's also noticable, and it has been increasing as of late. It's those times not duing a fight sequence, where Ranka's eyes look a little off, the Hydra fight in episode 10 looks like it was made by a kid with crayons... when those glaringly bad animations turn up, it makes the rest of the show look bad. It looks like an embarassing mark against an otherwise well done anime. There's also the issue of recycling shots, but as long as it's done in sparse amounts, it should be okay.

2. Turning Macross into a School-Days-Affair
I'm actually really annoyed by this. I'm used to my Macross characters being older, you know, having the average age of 21 and above, having actually _graduated_ from school. I don't know what's up with Macross being turned into a school drama. Perhaps it's to cater for a younger audience, but I'm not happy with it, what with 15 to 16 year olds being natural flying prodigies and being heroes of an interstellar war. While going to school. Do you see the problem here? Juggling schoolwork with war... urgh. Head hurts.

3. Stereotypical Characters
I'm sorry, but Altoh has turned completely into a sterotypical reckless character for me. In my eyes he's another Naruto, that wants to become better, and is reckless for the sake of saving his friends. Then there's Breia Sterne, the mysterious yet powerful character that's probably going to become an ally later on in the series. And then there's Michael Blanc, the elite, aloof, yet tragically affected rival that Altoh competes against. It hurts me a little to see extremely stereotypical characters instead of the usual variety of misfits that other Macrosses had.

4. Ecchi Leanings
I really despise ecchi, I really do. Other than provide gratuitious fanservice to fans, it serves nothing at all to progress the plot. Which is why I'm so dismayed by Macross Frontier. One or two fanservice is alright to me, but the problem is that every 2 or 3 episodes there seems to be something. I dunno. Sheryl losing her top? Tuna buns that look like breasts? Sheryl losing her underwear? ugh. What happened to a story propelled by a strong story and dynamic characters, rather than... fanservice?!

Well, that's it for a rant. I probably have more to rant about, but right now I just can't think of any. Brennan out.


I agree with you on some of what your saying. Like having ecchi in almost every episode gets me annoyed because it's just wasteing time in the anime. Also the age of the chararters are a bit young, if they made the chararters have mistakes in the battlefield but somehow survivie is ok, but the animators make the chararters look so pro, and they make the older more experinced fighters look idk...dumb maybe but thats just me.... the animation is ok so far but like you say you can tell the difference when they reuse a clip or whatever....
About Altoh being another naruto.. i can't comment 'cause i havent watch Naruto [and dont anytime soon]



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Macross Frontier has been very enjoyable to watch for me, granted there have been minor issues already mentioned in this thread hey you can't have top notch work every episode and every scene. Hopefully with the next few episodes 15 and on they'll explain what is going on though my money has the Macross Galaxy Fleet at the bottom of it after the end of 13 and Sheryl's manager setting off that Fold weapon and destroying that world and the Zentran fleet based on it.
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you can't have top notch work every episode and every scene..


Yes you can. At least in terms of story. Have you even watched SDF Macross? Not a single scene in that anime was wasted. Storywise.
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Arvanna wrote:

you can't have top notch work every episode and every scene..


Yes you can. At least in terms of story. Have you even watched SDF Macross? Not a single scene in that anime was wasted. Storywise.


LOL I know quite a few folks who would argue all the scenes with Minmay where wasted in the story but I guess I was referring to that I can deal with say the animation level dropping off now and then and it's not like the original Macross didn't have it's share of reused clips.
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brennan wrote:


Arvanna wrote:

you can't have top notch work every episode and every scene..


Yes you can. At least in terms of story. Have you even watched SDF Macross? Not a single scene in that anime was wasted. Storywise.


LOL I know quite a few folks who would argue all the scenes with Minmay where wasted in the story but I guess I was referring to that I can deal with say the animation level dropping off now and then and it's not like the original Macross didn't have it's share of reused clips.


Alright, you got me there. I have to say that some amount of Minmay scenes in SDF Macross were wasted fanservice, but it's at acceptable levels rather than fanservice and boobservice all the time. But I suppose that was in-line with fanservice for the 1980s. I bet if we took our generic anime back to those times it'll be labelled under ecchi and hentai or something.

Now I'm not asking for top notch work every episode. I'm asking for consistency in animation. I'm not saying fk yeah let's have an episode 7 every episode, I just want the glaring and stupidly obviously bad animation to stop. I've previously stated that resampling is fine by me, as long as it's kept to a minimum.
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Arvanna wrote:

you can't have top notch work every episode and every scene..


Yes you can. At least in terms of story. Have you even watched SDF Macross? Not a single scene in that anime was wasted. Storywise.


right....
what about roy fokkers death?


and if u want good high quality animation evrey week without the use of recycled animation. keep dreaming and wishing. the amount it would cost each episode would probably not make it a weekly series. at that point it would have to become a ova or even a direct to dvd release.

what your complaining about is the filler animation. the animation thats done by the fill in animators. their job is too make all the animation look consistant.
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Hold up.

I've repeatedly made my case for this and I've beginning to think you aren't reading anything I'm saying. I'm not freaking asking for top quality animation. I'm asking for consistency. I'm happy with the animation for the most part.

And I can't believe you just said that Roy Fokker's death is a wasted moment.
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Anyways, despite the fact that this topic has gone way off-topic, I thought that it might be best if I presented my thoughts of episode 15 and what might prove to be a rejuvenation of the series after a slight lull...

Now, I know that brennan noticed that episode 15 had everything in it that we have discussed thus far - reuse of animation/scenes, echi fan service, the high school love triangle...everything...HOWEVER, I think that it was all used appropriately and it brought much of the story up to date with the rehash, while at the same time providing some of the better battle scenes thus far for entertainment. My first reaction was that it was unnecessary, but as it progressed it and as it filled in bits here and there, it gave me the feeling that there is a whole lot more going on than meets the eye. It made me think, "What exactly is going on here? What/who are these multiple personalities that are "Grace"? How is she connected to the Vajra exactly? Is she aiding them or just using them for some other purpose? And what exactly is wrong with Sheryl - how badly ill is she?" In short, while the episode resolidified and worked on furthering the story, it left me with so many questions.

Oh, and on a side note, I think that I am actually going to enjoy Sheryl and Ranka competing over Alto...Why? Because as Alto becomes even more involved, so will they and their songs. Furthermore, now that we know that they both have that special musical/spiritual ability that seems to transcend time and space...I think that this might get quite interesting...And yeah, Brera Starne is probably going to end up pulling a classic "Darth Vader," saving Ranka at the very end and dying for it... ^.^
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Hold up.

I've repeatedly made my case for this and I've beginning to think you aren't reading anything I'm saying. I'm not freaking asking for top quality animation. I'm asking for consistency. I'm happy with the animation for the most part.

And I can't believe you just said that Roy Fokker's death is a wasted moment.


what do u mean consistency? in terms of story?
do u want the story to focus on the vajara the whole time? or do you want more substance per episode.
Roy Fokker's death could have been alot better!!!

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Didn't expect ep.15 to be a clip show but it's still interesting to watch and catching all the bits & pieces of the puzzle from the narrative. Plot deepens further. So we now know that the Galaxy fleet wasn't destroyed after all. Grace with multiple personalities makes her one heck of a creepy cyborg person. I'm wondering where those voices originate from? Ranka being roped in by Leon just spells trouble. Brera though will get more bonding time with her...I wonder if Ranka will figure out that he's her brother. It's nice to see Cathy & Ozma together, at least they're getting suspicious at Leon now (me thinks he should be squashed by a Vajra). Sheryl code-named Fairy 9 is a failed project and is discarded by Grace & company. What will become of her now that her career seems to be in jeopardy?! Loved the duet/song-battle between Ranka and Sheryl towards the end. Nice touch. Alto-hime is as clueless as ever.




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