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andydono wrote: Saying something like each sequel has gotten progressively weaker and weaker is ridiculous. If anything, saying something like Japan freaking LOVES UC (which is the truth) would be better. While you think Mobile Suit Gundam 08th Team was a good OVA, I personally thought it wasn't even that great of an series. Sure the realism of the series was amazing (that's if you don't watch episode 1 of Shiro having insane plot armor by tanking in a ball) and Norris' stunning displays of piloting skills, but the thing is the last few episodes were quite poor (especially that extra episode 13 showing lil kids and their stupid adventure). Now for CCA it really depends on how you look at it, on one side if you watched the original MSG and then proceed into watching CCA you'll think the movie is awesome, on the other hand if you watch MSG > Zeta > ZZ > CCA you'll think the movie is terrible considering it doesn't show ANY returning character from Zeta or ZZ except for Amuro Ray, Char Aznble, and Noa Bright. If you just look at it as a movie in general, you will most likely think its a decent movie, the only negative opinions about it are the fact that the movie has a fair amount of poor/annoying side characters and Tomino loves killing female characters because his wife dumped him (well that was in the past, now he's a more happier man). Now if you asked me which UC OVA I liked best, it'll have to be MS IGLOO (just the first one with 6 episodes not the 2nd one) because personally I think (an opinion you don't really have to agree) it triumphs all other OVA by showing it on a civilian's view which is far more interesting than showing it in the typical way. That conflicts directly with the facts- Mobile Suit Gundam Highest rating: 9.9% Average rating: 5.3% Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam Highest rating: 11.7% Average rating: 6.6% Mobile Suit Gundam Double Zeta Highest rating: 8.6% Average rating: 6.1% Mobile Suit V Gundam Highest rating: 5.3% Lowest rating: 2.4% Average rating: 3.9% http://animeboards.com/showthread.php?t=57373 These numbers show UC peaking with Zeta and then SHARPLY dropping afterwards. 00, SEED, and SEED Destiny spanked V Gundam, and SEED tied ZZ: Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Highest rating: 8.0% Lowest rating: 4.6% Average rating: 6.1% Mobile Suit Gundam SEED DESTINY Highest rating: 8.2% Lowest rating: 3.9% Average rating: 5.4% Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Highest rating: 6.1% (eps 1 - 25) Lowest rating: 3.8% (eps 1 - 25) Average rating: 4.85% (eps 1 - 25) http://aeug.blogspot.com/2004_11_01_aeug_archive.html Japan clearly doesn't love UC that much more than AU. |
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miraimike wrote: ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** andydono wrote: Saying something like each sequel has gotten progressively weaker and weaker is ridiculous. If anything, saying something like Japan freaking LOVES UC (which is the truth) would be better. While you think Mobile Suit Gundam 08th Team was a good OVA, I personally thought it wasn't even that great of an series. Sure the realism of the series was amazing (that's if you don't watch episode 1 of Shiro having insane plot armor by tanking in a ball) and Norris' stunning displays of piloting skills, but the thing is the last few episodes were quite poor (especially that extra episode 13 showing lil kids and their stupid adventure). Now for CCA it really depends on how you look at it, on one side if you watched the original MSG and then proceed into watching CCA you'll think the movie is awesome, on the other hand if you watch MSG > Zeta > ZZ > CCA you'll think the movie is terrible considering it doesn't show ANY returning character from Zeta or ZZ except for Amuro Ray, Char Aznble, and Noa Bright. If you just look at it as a movie in general, you will most likely think its a decent movie, the only negative opinions about it are the fact that the movie has a fair amount of poor/annoying side characters and Tomino loves killing female characters because his wife dumped him (well that was in the past, now he's a more happier man). Now if you asked me which UC OVA I liked best, it'll have to be MS IGLOO (just the first one with 6 episodes not the 2nd one) because personally I think (an opinion you don't really have to agree) it triumphs all other OVA by showing it on a civilian's view which is far more interesting than showing it in the typical way. That conflicts directly with the facts- Mobile Suit Gundam Highest rating: 9.9% Average rating: 5.3% Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam Highest rating: 11.7% Average rating: 6.6% Mobile Suit Gundam Double Zeta Highest rating: 8.6% Average rating: 6.1% Mobile Suit V Gundam Highest rating: 5.3% Lowest rating: 2.4% Average rating: 3.9% http://animeboards.com/showthread.php?t=57373 These numbers show UC peaking with Zeta and then SHARPLY dropping afterwards. 00, SEED, and SEED Destiny spanked V Gundam, and SEED tied ZZ: Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Highest rating: 8.0% Lowest rating: 4.6% Average rating: 6.1% Mobile Suit Gundam SEED DESTINY Highest rating: 8.2% Lowest rating: 3.9% Average rating: 5.4% Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Highest rating: 6.1% (eps 1 - 25) Lowest rating: 3.8% (eps 1 - 25) Average rating: 4.85% (eps 1 - 25) http://aeug.blogspot.com/2004_11_01_aeug_archive.html Japan clearly doesn't love UC that much more than AU. Ok, first of all,dont talk as though you're the spokes person for Japan.If you knew any better , ALL THE NEW GUNDAM SHOWS MAKE DAMN TRIVUTES TO UC! Seed:-Gundam Zeta-Seed Destiny, Gundam 00 e.t.c. There's a frikin building sized Rx-78 being built! Also, Gundam seed was made like,years after the original. Marketing was totally different in the 80's. You know how much star power seed got for op's and voice acting? Not to mention all the useless models they sold,cuz in the end,everyone only bought freedom,akatski,and astrays. Nothing from the 80's is on a level playing field,with the crap people call "Gundam" now, |
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asukatomino wrote: Ok, first of all,dont talk as though you're the spokes person for Japan.If you knew any better , ALL THE NEW GUNDAM SHOWS MAKE DAMN TRIVUTES TO UC! Seed:-Gundam Zeta-Seed Destiny, Gundam 00 e.t.c. There's a frikin building sized Rx-78 being built! Also, Gundam seed was made like,years after the original. Marketing was totally different in the 80's. You know how much star power seed got for op's and voice acting? Not to mention all the useless models they sold,cuz in the end,everyone only bought freedom,akatski,and astrays. Nothing from the 80's is on a level playing field,with the crap people call "Gundam" now, I don't have to talk as if I'm the spokesperson for Japan- I posted statistics that prove that UC isn't as popular in Japan as people think. You can't even argue that there was a time difference between the UC and AU shows that could contribute to the difference: G Gundam aired one year after V Gundam and absolutely creamed it. If you have any statistics that show that I'm wrong, I'd like to see them. Otherwise, I've shown that I'm right. |
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oh,so now you're a dumb robot?... internet polls mean nothing. I worked at an anime store for a few months,and you know what most people bought? U.C merch. besides,all those polls arent even taken in japan. most people,like you,are new age fanboys that dont have a clue what the real gundam is. i can bet most of the people that took that poll are westerners,because Japan loves U.C. See,im from there,and all my friends from loved seed and 00....until I showed them U.C gundam. Now they cant get enough.Why dont you try going to my country,instead of basing your fanboy bias results upon fanboy bias data. Oh,and as for G gundam, pay attention,during that time,everyone was crazy about martial arts. Thats the same craze about dog movies in the 80's. I love how you put absolute faith in the internet. if i made a article about africa developing and orbital elevator,you would believe it too,wouldnt you silly boy?
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Internet poll? Its obvious that you didn't even read the link. Those numbers were TV viewer ratings, aka: the amount of people who watched the show when it aired.
You lost the argument. Man up and accept it. |
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wow. you're stupid. again,poll PUT ON THE INTERNET. Not to mention,now days,every has a t.v now, and anime is more world wide, opposed to the time where there were not latino dubs,or french dubs or wutnot. Either way,internet or no, the result is complete fail. To make another analogy, its like, yeah well, theres more jet planes than in world 2, so i guess every one loved jet planes for the past decade.
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You have to be a joke account. There is no way anyone could be this dense.
A) It wasn't a poll. They were viewer statistics. B) They were published in a legitimate magazine and cited by multiple sources. You. Are. Wrong. |
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I mean, seriously, I have shown you directly with facts that Japan clearly doesn't watch UC as much as you think it does.
Meanwhile, all you do is blab on about jet planes and orbital elevators. The only thing you claim to have is empirical evidence that your buddies 'totally like UC better' and that you worked in an anime shop for a couple months. Just give it up. |
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miraimike wrote: You have to be a joke account. There is no way anyone could be this dense. A) It wasn't a poll. They were viewer statistics. B) They were published in a legitimate magazine and cited by multiple sources. You. Are. Wrong. EXACTLY! VIEWERS! WHICH ARE MORE COMMON NOWDAY'S THAN BEFORE. Anime has become more worldwide now,which is why that study is wrong. You cant base a study on which data is limited. You say Im the dense one,yet,you cant understand the fact, that in the 80's not everyone had a T.V,and anime wasnt widespread as it is now. As for viewers within" japan, again,in the cities,where most of us live, alot of people couldnt afford luxurys like tv,and considering how cramped 1 single block in tokyo or osaka is,money had to go somewhere other than tvs. Also,internet tv gves an edge too,considering you,well,you might not know this,but,it wasnt so big in the 80's. Go ahead and ignore the obvious point I'm making,you're a fanboy,and it's a forum,it's to be expected. |
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asukatomino wrote: miraimike wrote: You have to be a joke account. There is no way anyone could be this dense. A) It wasn't a poll. They were viewer statistics. B) They were published in a legitimate magazine and cited by multiple sources. You. Are. Wrong. EXACTLY! VIEWERS! WHICH ARE MORE COMMON NOWDAY'S THAN BEFORE. Anime has become more worldwide now,which is why that study is wrong. You cant base a study on which data is limited. You say Im the dense one,yet,you cant understand the fact, that in the 80's not everyone had a T.V,and anime wasnt widespread as it is now. As for viewers within" japan, again,in the cities,where most of us live, alot of people couldnt afford luxurys like tv,and considering how cramped 1 single block in tokyo or osaka is,money had to go somewhere other than tvs. Also,internet tv gves an edge too,considering you,well,you might not know this,but,it wasnt so big in the 80's. Go ahead and ignore the obvious point I'm making,you're a fanboy,and it's a forum,it's to be expected. As stated earlier: "You can't even argue that there was a time difference between the UC and AU shows that could contribute to the difference: G Gundam aired one year after V Gundam and absolutely creamed it." I'm running out of ways to inform you that you're wrong. |
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Also,U.C is popular among the new gundam producers as well,seeing as how all they do is make tributes to Zeta,Turn A and so on. For gods sake,seed destiny recycled the "tragic love story" between kamille and 4,with shinn and stella,and it seemed sad,until you realize,that you seen it from zetaShould i point out anymore faults?
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and I replied that was because of the whole karate craze then. Even I liked G more than V,however,even so,you're comparing only 2 shows,of which had a large child audience.
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asukatomino wrote: Also,U.C is popular among the new gundam producers as well,seeing as how all they do is make tributes to Zeta,Turn A and so on. For gods sake,seed destiny recycled the "tragic love story" between kamille and 4,with shinn and stella,and it seemed sad,until you realize,that you seen it from zetaShould i point out anymore faults? That has absolutely nothing to do with comparing popularity. |
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actually it does. because those elements in which producers put in the shows, are drawn from the classic gundams. people seem to be dram in by these "characters" and plots "twists" in which in reality,are tributes and ripoffs to classics. Without Tomino's work, all of the things that made gunda what it is,couldnt be used,and the new shows would fail,for lack of depth.
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That wasn't the argument. The argument was whether "each sequel has gotten progressively weaker and weaker".
I showed that the amount of viewers of UC shows declined progressively after Z Gundam. |
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