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Posted 3/12/09
lol you are so ignorant.
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How can a baby know if he's gay?
They choose to be gay. They are not born as gays.
It's not normal and it's a sin. And we shouldn't compare ourselves to animals cause animals don't know at all what they are doing.
Some people also don't know what they are doing. It's a sin.


P.S: I prefer not to reply to any comments cause i don't wanna fight and i don't wanna enter in a discussion about who's right or wrong.
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Posted 3/14/09 , edited 3/14/09
Biblical proof, oh! How justified & absolute!
Blecks.

Gays seem wrong, & not normal because there are a majority of heteros in this earth.
Goddamn, they're humans. They're not automatically trash, unless they present themselves to be.
Hell, any one can be trash.
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Alright, so let's talk about hormones. XD To be honest I don't know much about biology, but I did hear someone who was well-informed on the topic discuss why it was that some people were heterosexual and others were gay and others were bi. It has to do with the chemical balance in your brain. Now I don't know the names of these chemicals...but let's just call them A and B.

Everybody has some of each of these chemicals. A makes you attracted to men. B makes you attracted to women. Girls typically have more of the A chemical than the B, whereas men have the opposite. But sometimes at birth these chemicals get a little imbalanced, so a man would have more of the A chemical, and a woman would have the B. And bisexuals would have an about even balance of both A and B.
I looked a little but up on this stuff. There's a whole genetic study going on just about gays and what happens at birth and stuff. My friend Nate told me about this. Nate is gay. Let me clear something up before I go any further: NATE HATES BEING GAY. He HATES it so much. He's incredibly depressed because he's worried he'll never be able to get married or that his kids will be miserable because they'll get made fun of for having gay parents or something. But he can't HELP the fact that he's gay. He doesn't WANT to be attracted to other men. More than anything he wants just to be normal and not be constantly mocked for it and shunned. That's awful.

Here's a question for you guys: why on EARTH would someone WANT to be someone that was mocked and ridiculed day in and day out? Why would someone CHOOSE to be that way?? That doesn't make ANY sense. At ALL.

Anyway, I have a lot of gay and bisexual friends. They're all great people, with good souls and big hearts just like any heterosexual person. It is definitely NOT a sin. The real SIN here is heterosexual christians SHUNNING someone and HATING someone because they're different. This is why i have a lot of disdain towards organized religion. UGH.

I mean, isn't the whole BASIS of christianity to be loving and accepting of all living things? Be be kind towards others and to help those in need? I'm pretty sure HATING someone for something tehy have no control over doesn't fall into one of those categories.

I hate it when people are like, "Homosexuality is unnatural". How the FUCK is it unatural? Sure, you can't really have kids, but that's as far as THAT goes. Heterosexual couples on birth control can't have kids EITHER. DUH. Idiots. When two people love each other, what's the PROBLEM?? Let me explain someting...sex, which is a very intimate way of expressing your love for another person, is still achieved with great succes with homosexual couples. For example, if two women are making love, the clitorus is in the right area that if the two engage in humping, orgasm can be achieved. Same example for men: the prostate, which is an exremely sensitive sexual organ, is most easily accessed through the anus. So anal sex that way would be very satisfying for both partners.

Anyway, I'm really sick and tired of watching my close friends suffer because unempathic and insenstitive people are hurting them day in and day out for being different. That's equivalent to hating someone for having brown hair. It equivalent to RACISM. Everyone here agrees that racism is completely uncalled for, right? The same goes for discrimination against gays! I hate havint to watch my friends cry because people shun them for no reason. It sickening and wrong.


Oh, and by the way, YouTube sucks for finding out reliable information. Link me to a scientific journal that clearly explains how homosexuality is not biological, and then maybe I'll think it over. But until then, power to the rainbow!
Posted 3/14/09 , edited 3/15/09

xeereex wrote:

How can a baby know if he's gay?
They choose to be gay. They are not born as gays.
It's not normal and it's a sin. And we shouldn't compare ourselves to animals cause animals don't know at all what they are doing.
Some people also don't know what they are doing. It's a sin.


P.S: I prefer not to reply to any comments cause i don't wanna fight and i don't wanna enter in a discussion about who's right or wrong.


A baby doesn't know if they are straight either. It's not until near/around puberty that children begin to develop an attraction to the opposite sex. The whole "born gay" thing is debated, people have different views on how people 'become gay'. Prove that they 'choose'.
I highly doubt that someone just waked up and thinks "I might try and date other men/women and become gay!" I know that's probably more sudden than you think it happens but to my understanding it hasn't been proven that they are born gay, and it hasn't been proven that they choose to be gay because it's still debated.

What is 'normal'?

Oh but we ARE animals, that's the point, the only difference is that we have a brain and can decide more things. If people really do decide to be gay then shouldn't animals decide too? Apparently they don't because they don't know. I know that you mean that they take part in gay acts without realising it, but some know. Earlier in this thread I posted a link about how certain rams take part in homosexual erotic behaviour, and that if one refuses to take part they are shunned.

My point is that you have no proof, you can't decide what's normal, and that we too are humans and how people become gay is not completely understood.


Anyway my main question: Why should gay people be seen as wrong, not normal, or a sin? Is their act harming others? I don't feel we have a right to question their actions unless it is having a negative effect or harming someone in some way.
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Posted 3/15/09

cerisey wrote:


xeereex wrote:

How can a baby know if he's gay?
They choose to be gay. They are not born as gays.
It's not normal and it's a sin. And we shouldn't compare ourselves to animals cause animals don't know at all what they are doing.
Some people also don't know what they are doing. It's a sin.


P.S: I prefer not to reply to any comments cause i don't wanna fight and i don't wanna enter in a discussion about who's right or wrong.


A baby doesn't know if they are straight either. It's not until near/around puberty that children begin to develop an attraction to the opposite sex. The whole "born gay" thing is debated, people have different views on how people 'become gay'. Prove that they 'choose'.
I highly doubt that someone just waked up and thinks "I might try and date other men/women and become gay!" I know that's probably more sudden than you think it happens but to my understanding it hasn't been proven that they are born gay, and it hasn't been proven that they choose to be gay because it's still debated.

What is 'normal'?

Oh but we ARE animals, that's the point, the only difference is that we have a brain and can decide more things. If people really do decide to be gay then shouldn't animals decide too? Apparently they don't because they don't know. I know that you mean that they take part in gay acts without realising it, but some know. Earlier in this thread I posted a link about how certain rams take part in homosexual erotic behaviour, and that if one refuses to take part they are shunned.

My point is that you have no proof, you can't decide what's normal, and that we too are humans and how people become gay is not completely understood.


Anyway my main question: Why should gay people be seen as wrong, not normal, or a sin? Is their act harming others? I don't feel we have a right to question their actions unless it is having a negative effect or harming someone in some way.



I'm sorry. I'm sleepy and i don't wish to talk about homos anymore. It makes me feel sick.
Btw, i haven't read all your post cause it's too long. I've only read your questions.
Have a good night.


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Posted 5/25/09 , edited 5/25/09
Does it matter?

If you think someone's going to hell for their sins and they're set on it, warn them and let them be.
They aren't hurting anyone. If you feel they're disrespecting God, God will judge them on it.

I know we all have our own opinions on the subject and that's fair enough you can't black out what's been drilled into you as a child or whatever you find logical. But people, PLEASE stop making up BULLSHIT to back up your own opinions.

In most cases it is not a choice, if you actually spoke to some gays to get a balanced opinion on the subject, you would know.
Let's take a case study shall we?
Friend of mine let's call her Bella, she's a straight A student, she's part of the salvation army band, loves her family and oh guess what else? Likes girls.
Her family sadly are homophobic. Her granny stopped going to a certain church because the minister started to preach forgiveness to gays and she didn't feel that was right. Bella had always suppressed these urges and she even slept with one of her male friends to try and prove to herself that she really preferred men. Obviously it didn't work. She's very open to her friends about it but once it got around she found herself being spat at in the streets.
Tell me, what idiot would choose that?
She always cringes when she has to come out to someone now and avoids it as much as possible. Wouldn't it be so much easier if she were to wake up one morning and say to herself "You know what? Fuck being gay, it's too much hassle. I think I'll prefer men from now on"

Was there a specific morning you woke up, opened your curtains, breathed in the morning air and said: "I think I choose not to be gay. I choose to like the opposite sex." If you did, you're a freak. Pretty much everyone else in the world would have felt a gradual attraction to a particular sex since the onset of puberty. It's in your subconscious, dearies.

I've heard my friend tell me that the brains of most lesbians are more similar to the male brain than the typical female one, and vice versa. And also that homosexuality has been observed in animals after their population in a certain area has hit a certain number.

Logically, this'd lead me to the conclusion that the homosexual community are part of God's plan and the bible needs updated. Obviously in the beginning, homosexuality would not have been encouraged as it was necessary to pass on the religion and gays would have hindered this. But think about it why are gays such a problem now when there are places in the world which are intolerably overcrowded? What if God wants some crowd control without having to smite us all down? It would be a smart thing to do (and I'm assuming here God is smart, correct me if I'm wrong) to decrease the desire to reproduce.

Okay so even if you aren't a fan of analysing your biblical history, refer to my second paragraph.
Posted 5/25/09
Well then, burn me on a steak for all i care.
You conceited asshole.
Of course i CHOOSE to be gay (sarcasm). Do you even know how hard it is.. Don't talk like you know everything in the world, it only makes you look even more stupid.
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The term "Biblical Proof" is an oxymoron.
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If a guy or girl is born and at age of 5-7 (or higher) they feel like they should be the opposite gender. or just they like the same gender.... then u must be born as it..... i dont belive they suddenly choose to be gay
Posted 5/25/09 , edited 5/25/09

xeereex wrote:

How can a baby know if he's gay?
They choose to be gay. They are not born as gays.
It's not normal and it's a sin. And we shouldn't compare ourselves to animals cause animals don't know at all what they are doing.
Some people also don't know what they are doing. It's a sin.


P.S: I prefer not to reply to any comments cause i don't wanna fight and i don't wanna enter in a discussion about who's right or wrong.

Therefore you're a sin.
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i dont have any problem with gays,why would i?they dont hurt me or affect me and its completly their own buissenss and none of mine unless they want to talk to me about(if their a friend).i think being gay is a genetic thing.

also,is it only christianity that has a problems with gays or are their other religons against it
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"Do you know what is the sin?
It isn't because you ate the forbidden fruit.

Do you know what is the sin?
It isn't because you listened to the serpent.

You still don't know what is the sin?
Then, that itself is your sin."


Interpret it how you will.

Aside from that, I recently found an article stating that people are not born gay.
I could show it to anyone if you wanna see it.
Anyway, I don't think people are born gay. I can see why men might be more likely too be gay, but women? Nah.
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I also personally know people who choose to be gay.
Like this one guy was in love with his female best friend for forever and she turned him down... Now he doesn't like women, because she turned him down.
Also, I once knew this boy-crazy, girlie-girl, "Prom-queen" who after 3 years after graduating she shaved off all her hair (including the eyebrows) and became a Lesbian. A Lesbian who bounces from woman to woman. And once a guy but that was an orgy so I don't think that actually counts (the other girl was bisexual apparently).

So having seen that, I can only conclude that something happens in life is all.
It may happen when you are young and you don't even recall it that well.
Meh, life throws curve-balls after all. You never know what could happen.
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Who cares if gays were born or made, they're still gay, right?
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Droodika:
The term "Biblical Proof" is an oxymoron.


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