Birth By Sleep
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BBS is the next instalment in the Kh series along with a game for ds. in BBS the story revolves around 3 keybalde knights and there master. there master is zehanort. in kh zehanort was ansem the wises aprentice who spawned a heartless called ansem and a nobody xemnas.

thats all well and good but im confused as to how the two zehanorts are related. as in the final fight of kh2 you see xemnas in his knight suit like the three knights af BBS so there must be some sort of connection.

a BBS video can be seen on www.kingdomhearts3.net

any ideas on how the two may be related or any plot info on BBS is much apriciated
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what i don't get is that in bbs zehanort is old but in kh2 he's young( you see zehanort in the flash back).the keyblade war started ten years before sora was the keyblade wielder.so how did zehanort get from old to young?
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sarcofil wrote:

what i don't get is that in bbs zehanort is old but in kh2 he's young( you see zehanort in the flash back).the keyblade war started ten years before sora was the keyblade wielder.so how did zehanort get from old to young?


yea that confused me two the only thing i could think of is that they might be two different zehanorts but even that does npt seem likely.

btw tell other kh fans to post here to see if we can think of somethin
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k.and what i also don't get is that the nobodies are born from stong hearts that has been consumed by darkness,so why didn't sora turn into a nobody instead of a heartless in kh.didn't he have a strong heart?.
Posted 6/25/08
the battle style of birth by sleep is kinda like chain of memories in GBA

in other words you use cards for attacks,magics and summons. . .
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sarcofil wrote:

k.and what i also don't get is that the nobodies are born from stong hearts that has been consumed by darkness,so why didn't sora turn into a nobody instead of a heartless in kh.didn't he have a strong heart?.


he did roxas is his nobody but sora and kairi were exceptions to the rules as they both kept there original bodies as well as making nobodies. read the secret ansem reports
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ok... all i can say is that there isn't much information released on this (unless you've been totally up-to-date with all the japanese details and such; in my case it's a pain for me to bother reading all and trying to translate it)

the stuff i'll say following is all theories and speculation of what to expect for the title, but it is based on what i gather from reading various articles or watching all available trailers (several hundred times over):

note: sarcofil - it is quite possible that the TWO Zehanorts may be TWO entirely different people (as i'll explain from my theory)

*SPOILER - just a warning, this MAY be considered a spoiler if it's deemed correct*

from the details released, we know that there was a keyblade "WAR" that occured 10 years before Sora took to arms as the new/current keyblade master. In BBS there are 3 main characters each to their own story and each somewhat connected in some way: Terra, Ven and Aqua. (Each an Apprentice (or soon-to-be a Keyblade Master)

Each have been tasked to find out the whereabouts of A keyblade master "Master Zehanort" and his apprentice and what has happened to him.

"Ven" for some reason still unexplained resembles Roxas, in some way... this Ven may be a different person yet in another the very same Roxas (one of those two faced coin metaphors if you wish), in some way we may actually see in this new title we may get to know Ven and who/what his identity is and why he is somehow born INTO the boy known as Sora (where he eventually becomes Sora's nobody)

"Terra" on the other hand, the bigger (and probably older and rather more masculine) is the one that comes to hate Zehanort for what he did (something still not shown), yet from certain photos and from the videos he somehow has some resemblance to a "Xemnas" (or the current "Xehanort"/antagonist as we know him), in one reality we may actually have a story about the rise of a hero and his fall from grace into "darkness" hence the heartless/nobody version, or the apprentice may in turn be his brother hence the uncanny resemblance. Yet one point to note about Terra is that towards the end of the Final Mix + trailer, is that when he looks up into the sky where "Xehanort" and his apprentice is, his pupils were originally blue only to change to a bright yellow the moment he blinks... which seem to bring 1 point credit towards the "he is Xemnas" thoery. yet another conflicting point is that SORA fights the Bulky Warrior (same armor + same keyblade, yet armor seems more "goldy") named only as "Lingering Sentiment" whether this person/spirit (Lingering sentiment a name that reeks of ghostly-ness) is the same person as Terra is uncertain and irrelevant (as quoted by Nomura himself)

and Finally, the female fatale herself "Aqua", the current enigmatic character of the upcoming sequel/prequel (etc.) not much is said about her, yet, her armor (and ONLY her armor) is for some unknown reason seen in one specific scene in Final Mix + where Xemnas heads down into the basement of radiant garden's castle to see an "old friend", there is much debate, but one area of speculation is that she may possibly be the 14th member of the ORDER XIII (organisation XIII's japanese name) that's still shrouded in mystery for the upcoming DS title: KH:265/2 Days.

From each of these three backgrounds we can assume that for some reason these three different characters somehow meet and help each other randomly at different points in time. and eventually come together to fight against Xehanort and his apprentice. It is possible that at some point Ven may becomes extreamly injured during battle hence forcing Terra to somehow take Ven and implant him into a 'certain' boy on a "Destiny Island", Aqua somehow changes and possibly disappears (this is still up for debate since there's not much on this gal) while Terra, possibly decides to go all out and fight against "Xehanort" who has willingly allowed himself to fall into darkness and is seeking Kingdom Hearts (yes, deja Vu in the past, another antagonist that wants the 'grand prize') and while doing so, Terra probably succumbs into Darkness himself (or something similar) since at the VERY end of the trailer he gains the Yellow hues in his pupils just like all other Heartless Antagonists of previous titles, and for some odd random reason he'll appear as a ghostly apparition (or maybe in the flesh) to Sora.

well that was quite a long one... but yea, once again, everything is all speculation. so i might be wrong on this or even some parts... but hell... i figure it'd be nice to open up and say a few things...

hope you enjoyed the long read...
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I think this will be a great game^^ Terra so far is my favorite character and I cannot wait to play it! And I cannot wait to play 358 by 2 days^^ That comes 2008 month of December..the game came out in Japan last month and the game will be here in the hoilday season..

But I think that Birth by Sleep will be a great game for the PSP and I hope that other people will like it and I hope I will too^^ My friend has a PSP and I ll know she will let me borrow it, YAY cannot wait to play it!

Sora and Riku and Kairi were still little kids when Terra Aqua and Ven were on their quest to stop Master Xehanort or at least that is what my friend Sam says, she knows alot about this stuff and I really dont..that is not good when I like Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy..
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ienzo wrote:

ok... all i can say is that there isn't much information released on this (unless you've been totally up-to-date with all the japanese details and such; in my case it's a pain for me to bother reading all and trying to translate it)

the stuff i'll say following is all theories and speculation of what to expect for the title, but it is based on what i gather from reading various articles or watching all available trailers (several hundred times over):

note: sarcofil - it is quite possible that the TWO Zehanorts may be TWO entirely different people (as i'll explain from my theory)

*SPOILER - just a warning, this MAY be considered a spoiler if it's deemed correct*

from the details released, we know that there was a keyblade "WAR" that occured 10 years before Sora took to arms as the new/current keyblade master. In BBS there are 3 main characters each to their own story and each somewhat connected in some way: Terra, Ven and Aqua. (Each an Apprentice (or soon-to-be a Keyblade Master)

Each have been tasked to find out the whereabouts of A keyblade master "Master Zehanort" and his apprentice and what has happened to him.

"Ven" for some reason still unexplained resembles Roxas, in some way... this Ven may be a different person yet in another the very same Roxas (one of those two faced coin metaphors if you wish), in some way we may actually see in this new title we may get to know Ven and who/what his identity is and why he is somehow born INTO the boy known as Sora (where he eventually becomes Sora's nobody)

"Terra" on the other hand, the bigger (and probably older and rather more masculine) is the one that comes to hate Zehanort for what he did (something still not shown), yet from certain photos and from the videos he somehow has some resemblance to a "Xemnas" (or the current "Xehanort"/antagonist as we know him), in one reality we may actually have a story about the rise of a hero and his fall from grace into "darkness" hence the heartless/nobody version, or the apprentice may in turn be his brother hence the uncanny resemblance. Yet one point to note about Terra is that towards the end of the Final Mix + trailer, is that when he looks up into the sky where "Xehanort" and his apprentice is, his pupils were originally blue only to change to a bright yellow the moment he blinks... which seem to bring 1 point credit towards the "he is Xemnas" thoery. yet another conflicting point is that SORA fights the Bulky Warrior (same armor + same keyblade, yet armor seems more "goldy") named only as "Lingering Sentiment" whether this person/spirit (Lingering sentiment a name that reeks of ghostly-ness) is the same person as Terra is uncertain and irrelevant (as quoted by Nomura himself)

and Finally, the female fatale herself "Aqua", the current enigmatic character of the upcoming sequel/prequel (etc.) not much is said about her, yet, her armor (and ONLY her armor) is for some unknown reason seen in one specific scene in Final Mix + where Xemnas heads down into the basement of radiant garden's castle to see an "old friend", there is much debate, but one area of speculation is that she may possibly be the 14th member of the ORDER XIII (organisation XIII's japanese name) that's still shrouded in mystery for the upcoming DS title: KH:265/2 Days.

From each of these three backgrounds we can assume that for some reason these three different characters somehow meet and help each other randomly at different points in time. and eventually come together to fight against Xehanort and his apprentice. It is possible that at some point Ven may becomes extreamly injured during battle hence forcing Terra to somehow take Ven and implant him into a 'certain' boy on a "Destiny Island", Aqua somehow changes and possibly disappears (this is still up for debate since there's not much on this gal) while Terra, possibly decides to go all out and fight against "Xehanort" who has willingly allowed himself to fall into darkness and is seeking Kingdom Hearts (yes, deja Vu in the past, another antagonist that wants the 'grand prize') and while doing so, Terra probably succumbs into Darkness himself (or something similar) since at the VERY end of the trailer he gains the Yellow hues in his pupils just like all other Heartless Antagonists of previous titles, and for some odd random reason he'll appear as a ghostly apparition (or maybe in the flesh) to Sora.

well that was quite a long one... but yea, once again, everything is all speculation. so i might be wrong on this or even some parts... but hell... i figure it'd be nice to open up and say a few things...

hope you enjoyed the long read...


some good theories there some of them make some sence but a couple of other points to think about could be. at the end of the most recently released trailer ven asks terra to erase him, as to why nobody knows but it implies he has done some thing bad, possibly fallen into darkness and terra is seen about to have a show down with zehanort asuming both of his allies are incapacitated.

aqua no info.

in the trailer sunset horizon another natable point is that in the keyblade graveyard sora and mikeys kingdom keys along with rikus way to dawn are set in the middle and are the only keblades in the graveyard to have key chains.

any thoughts?
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Posted 6/29/08
^ I guess

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