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[Naruto] Uchiha Madara: Man of Mystery
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ahhehe . . FTG just suits me fine .. lolzz .. . XD
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^^ Damn Peace, that was a lot of typing there wasn't it.......?
^ Plus most of the things that have been posted have just been theories either from me or Peace or that Yasha person which could be true, she/he does bring some important things to light......
Only thing that she got wrong was Sasuke teleporting to Naruto, when Sasuke clearly jumped to him........


That's what I thought also, because according to what she said, that teleportation technique of the mangekyo sharingan should leave behind a black fire that burns for 7days and 7 nights. After contemplating this fact, I came to the conclusion that the flame only occurs when there is an obsticle between him and his destination. So that justifys the part where Sasuke suddenly appears next to Naruto. Just to make sure, I watched the episode as well to see if Sasuke actually jumps and I found that.....in one moment he's up there and the next moment beside Naruto. There is no part that shows him jumping or even slightly moving closer to Naruto. The only thing that does not support this, is the reaction from Yamato ("he's fast"). This kind of implies he saw him move...but then again, maybe he said this because he couldn't see him move... what a mystery this has turned out to be!
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Xrn_the_Nigma wrote:

^^ Damn Peace, that was a lot of typing there wasn't it.......?
^ Plus most of the things that have been posted have just been theories either from me or Peace or that Yasha person which could be true, she/he does bring some important things to light......
Only thing that she got wrong was Sasuke teleporting to Naruto, when Sasuke clearly jumped to him........


That's what I thought also, because according to what she said, that teleportation technique of the mangekyo sharingan should leave behind a black fire that burns for 7days and 7 nights. After contemplating this fact, I came to the conclusion that the flame only occurs when there is an obsticle between him and his destination. So that justifys the part where Sasuke suddenly appears next to Naruto. Just to make sure, I watched the episode as well to see if Sasuke actually jumps and I found that.....in one moment he's up there and the next moment beside Naruto. There is no part that shows him jumping or even slightly moving closer to Naruto. The only thing that does not support this, is the reaction from Yamato ("he's fast"). This kind of implies he saw him move...but then again, maybe he said this because he couldn't see him move... what a mystery this has turned out to be!



no no. . you got it wrong. . .lol .. . the MS amaterasu, the one that your talking about that leaves a black flame for 7 days/night. . . it doesn't teleport the user itself .. . it actually transports objects and leaving a black flame for 7 days/nights. . ..

since i assume you haven't read the whole naruto manga.. well . . do you remeber when itachi fought a little with jjiraiya?. . when Itachi and Kisame were trying to escape inside the very stiong stomach of j.man's frog?. .. there he was forced to used the Amaterasu coz they wouldn't be able to escape inside the stomach of the frog. .then when he used it. .. it destroyed a part of the stomach... .. thus leaving a black flame but j.man was able to seal the black flame .. ..

remember now ?. . .
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That's why I said in an earlier post I can't support Yasha's ideas......
Also the theory of what Amaterasu actually does could be proven false as well as could the teleporting theory.....The only move that actually allows the user to teleport is the Yondaime's Hiraishin technique.

As for Amaterasu teleporting created the black fire huh?
Yeah okay, and Sasuke can teleport.........right.....

I'll wait a year and see if anything that Yasha posted holds true but I wouldn't hold my breath...


lol. . that theory is now 8 months old. .. there are older theories like that there in narutofan.com .. great as that also . .. but narutofan has a goddamn big archives. . .i used to go to their forums but its way too large for me, specially when you just starting there, . .

and yeap .. its like leaving a mark after transporting the object. . ..

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http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=106576

this is not completly about madara but it is an amazing theroy of how the uchiha clan came to be
very interesting
if sasuke teleported why would he want to be in the air before he lands?
wouldnt he want to just be able to teleport right to the ground next to naruto?
i think he jumped but was really fast in his actions.

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qweruiop wrote:


Xrn_the_Nigma wrote:

^^ Damn Peace, that was a lot of typing there wasn't it.......?
^ Plus most of the things that have been posted have just been theories either from me or Peace or that Yasha person which could be true, she/he does bring some important things to light......
Only thing that she got wrong was Sasuke teleporting to Naruto, when Sasuke clearly jumped to him........


That's what I thought also, because according to what she said, that teleportation technique of the mangekyo sharingan should leave behind a black fire that burns for 7days and 7 nights. After contemplating this fact, I came to the conclusion that the flame only occurs when there is an obsticle between him and his destination. So that justifys the part where Sasuke suddenly appears next to Naruto. Just to make sure, I watched the episode as well to see if Sasuke actually jumps and I found that.....in one moment he's up there and the next moment beside Naruto. There is no part that shows him jumping or even slightly moving closer to Naruto. The only thing that does not support this, is the reaction from Yamato ("he's fast"). This kind of implies he saw him move...but then again, maybe he said this because he couldn't see him move... what a mystery this has turned out to be!



no no. . you got it wrong. . .lol .. . the MS amaterasu, the one that your talking about that leaves a black flame for 7 days/night. . . it doesn't teleport the user itself .. . it actually transports objects and leaving a black flame for 7 days/nights. . ..

since i assume you haven't read the whole naruto manga.. well . . do you remeber when itachi fought a little with jjiraiya?. . when Itachi and Kisame were trying to escape inside the very stiong stomach of j.man's frog?. .. there he was forced to used the Amaterasu coz they wouldn't be able to escape inside the stomach of the frog. .then when he used it. .. it destroyed a part of the stomach... .. thus leaving a black flame but j.man was able to seal the black flame .. ..

remember now ?. . .


Yes I have read the manga up till where naruto manga returns has posted. But still I have a question. If the user can teleport objects why can't he teleport himself? And where in the manga does it say that he can only teleport objects. And which object does itachi teleport in order to get out of the toad?
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That's what Yasha and Peace believe.......
In the manga and anime you don't see any teleportation of anything but you don't see what happened either.....
So they could be right, I believe them to be wrong and I'm sticking with that belief...
Also nowhere in the manga does it say that.........
I don't think he teleported the object anywhere.....
I believe he just blew that black fire right at the toad's stomach wall and escaped through there.......

Kakashi's unnamed technique teleports objects when he utilizes the mangekyou sharingan.......Which if you read the manga then you would have seen him using it on Deidara....Not once but twice he used it.....Once to teleport Deidara's arm into another dimension and then have it reappear somewhere else and the second time to teleport him when he was about to blow himself up out of desperation......

I do not think that this technique is the same as the Amaterasu in which Itachi used on the Toad Wall......Because if you think about it, then where was the fire that should have been left by Kakashi using the same Amaterasu he used on Deidara.....? Nowhere, and that is why I believe to techniques to be two completely different techniques and not variations of the same.


lol that is not what i believe . . i actually said


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umm well .. since it has been animated. . it lo0ked like he was faster than usual, in the manga, its just sasuke from top then beside naruto.. but it doesn't mean that sasuke teleported coz yamato did still comment that he was fast ..

if sasuke teleported, the reaction would be different than just "he's fast!" . .and besides. . . if its teleport.. it has got to be atleast as fast as the FTG jutsu of the yondaime(fourth)...


what i mean is .. it might have lo0ked like that sasuke teleported BuT he didn't coz yamato still saw him, and just commented that sasuke was fast. . if sasuke teleported yamato would comment differently like "did he just teleport?" sumthing like that.. the fact that yamato still saw sasuke isn't nowhere near as teleportation . .. .

and about the amaterasu .. it could be either way. . .. coz the description said that amaterasu transports, so i also used the term, but it can also be that Amaterasu fire is so strong that the stomach melted away, in the manga it didn't lo0ked like it was blown up, . . so yeah.. .

and ofcourse kakashi's MS and Itachis are way different. . it impossible in the 1st place to be the same. . .like you and i said in the past posts, he develope his own MS..

and about the stomach . .. umm, like i said i just used the terms on what the description said about Amaterasu... and here's the pic..

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2) Amaterasu—Goddess of the Sun
Our Sun is a huge fireball. Its matter can warp the spacetime around it that produces an effect which we call gravity (In fact all matter can warp the spacetime around it, to a certain extent). Although our Sun doesn't have enough mass to form a blackhole, other more massive stars can, after their deaths (in a spectacular way called supernova explosion)

MS Amaterasu: Teleports things to another dimension by warping the spacetime, leaving a dark fire that will burn for 7 days and 7 nights to destroy the surround


Hyuuga clan is one of the oldest clans in Konoha. They have been there ever since the establishment of the hidden village. Many years ago there was a girl from Hyuuga clan who fell in love with an outsider that didn’t belong to the village. She decided to marry herself to the young man despite the strong protests from her own clan. But this man was no ordinary human. In fact, this man was not a human at all. His name was Sojobo. He was the King of Tengu.

There were two types of tengus, Karasu tengu (a crow-like creature with beak and wings) and Konoha tengu (also known as Yamabushi tengu). Sojobo was a Konoha tengu. He had long nose and white hair with a pair of black wings on his back. As the King of Tengu, Sojobo possessed some very mystical powers. He carried a fan made of Fatsia leaf that could create a storm (therefore people sometimes call this type of leaf as Tengu no Uchiwa or Tengu’s fan). He could teleport himself or any other things from one place to another. He could also communicate with people telepathically or even invade their minds and drive them to madness. Besides, Sojobo was also known for his shapeshifting ability. He sometimes transformed himself into human to interact with people.

Anyway, this girl from Hyuuga was in love with Sojobo taking the human form without knowing his true identity. She married him shortly after they met each other. A year or two later, she was pregnant and gave birth to their first son. Sojobo named this son Uchiha, Uchiha Madara, after Uchiwa which means fan. And of course as we know, fan also later became the symbol of this new clan.

Everything was good. Uchiha Madara soon grew up to become a very powerful shinobi. He not only inherited the Kekkei Genkai from his mother but with the Tengu blood inside him the Byakugan had evolved into an even more dreadful form—the Sharingan! This new bloodline had 2 levels: Normal Sharingan and Mangekyou Sharingan. Like his tengu father, Madara possessed some incredible magical powers. He was able to use telepathy to invade people’s minds, or even teleport himself across a short distance. When he turned on the Mangekyou Sharingan (he had the normal Sharingan on 24/7 just like his Hyuuga kin), the eyes would further intensify his powers and bring him even closer to a tengu form. He had developed 3 jutsus under this state, namely Tsukiyomi (to control people’s minds and drive them insane), Amaterasu (to teleport objects into another dimension)* and Susanoo (to create a storm like the one created by the Tengu’s fan).
Because of his bravery and almost unparalleled powers, Madara soon became a hero in his people’s eyes despite the fact that he was just a teenager at that time. He became very close friends with Shodaime and together they took up the responsibility to protect the village. Madara founded the first police force in Konoha and swore to protect his people with his own life.

But good things do not last long. As Madara was about to reach his adulthood, Sojobo began to reveal his true intention. Sojobo didn’t marry the girl from Hyuuga out of love. He was only looking for a perfect body, a container (probably to achieve greater powers), and he figured the best way was to create one with his own blood. He was planning on taking over Madara’s body once he reached his adulthood. It didn’t take Uchiha Madara long to find out this appalling truth. He felt a mixture of shock and anger. He felt he was being used but he wasn’t going to give in such easily, at least not without a fight. But Madara knew only too well that no matter how strong he was he stood no chance against the King of Tengu. Out of desperation he sought for the legendary Bijuu—Kyuubi (the God of Fire).

Kyuubi was very impressed by Madara’s abilities. A secret pact was made and Kyuubi agreed to lend his power and chakra to Uchiha Madara. Soon Madara mastered the katon and he could even cast a dark fire that would burn for 7 days and 7 nights after performing the Amaterasu. But even with these newly gained powers and a huge supply of chakra from the Kyuubi, Uchiha Madara was only able to beat his demon father by a hair's breadth. He couldn’t finish him once and for all but only managed to seal him up. However, the seal he used was a very special one. To break the seal it requires the Kyuubi's chakra and also not one but 3 Uchiha members who can wield the Mangekyou Sharingan. Each MS user has to cast a different MS jutsu at the same time and when the 3 jutsus--Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo--combine, the great evil will be unleashed. It's a tall order and Madara thought it would be enough to seal up the demon for eternity. But what Madara didn’t anticipate was that this seal itself would bring a bloody massacre upon his own clan many decades later…

Here I will derail a bit and talk about the friendship between Shodaime and Madara. When Shodai found out about the secret pact between Madara and Kyuubi he was enraged. He thought it was hunger for greater power that led his best friend to the Kyuubi. Madara didn’t explain to him either because he didn’t want anyone to know he was a half-demon. Conflicts began to appear between the two who were once close to each other. The intense hostility eventually resulted in a great battle at the Valley of the End. (You might thought that I depicted Madara as too strong a character and therefore be skeptical that Shodai could rival both MS and Kyuubi’s power at the same time. Well you better not forget that Shodai had the ability to suppress Kyuubi’s chakra and his darkness jutsu and suiton might be very good counter-moves to Madara's Sharingan and katon respectively as well.)


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Alright, now back to the story. Many years had come into past since Sojobo was sealed. The tengu’s blood in Uchiha clan was now no longer as pure as it once was. It was gradually being “diluted” by constant marriages with non-Uchihas over the generations. Now even the Normal Sharingan was possessed by only the elite few among Uchihas, let alone the Mangekyou Sharingan. But the dark history of the clan was anything but forgotten. A tengu shrine was built underneath the Nakano temple by some of the early Uchihas to keep all the secrets of the clan inside (including killing your loved one to gain MS which was discovered by some later Uchiha). Once an Uchiha member was thought to be reliable enough he would be informed about the secret meeting place and it would then become his life-long obligation to keep these secrets from outsiders. The Uchihas considered this dark history as a huge disgrace and swore to protect the glory and dignity of their clan with their lives no matter what happened.

20 years ago, a new member was born into an Uchiha family. He soon proved himself to be a very special one, even by the high standards of the Uchiha. He graduated at the top of his class at age 7, mastered the Sharingan at 8, became a Chunin at 10 and an ANBU squad leader at 13. His name was Uchiha Itachi. As Itachi was selected to become an ANBU his father Fugaku felt that it was the right time to tell him everything. Itachi learned about the Mangekyou Sharingan and the origin of his clan from his father. Deep inside his mind, something evil was taking shape…

One night, when all men of Uchiha were supposed to gather at the secret meeting place two of them were absent. Itachi lured his best friend Uchiha Shisui to the Nakano river and started his horrendous plan. He killed Shisui on that night and obtained the accursed eye powers—Mangekyou Sharingan. The next day when people found Uchiha Shisui’s body they also found a suicide note grabbed in his hand. But of course this note wasn’t really written by Shisui. Itachi forged his handwriting with the Sharingan to make it looked like a suicide. What was written on the note is important because it reflected Itachi's feeling at that time.
Always living with fear—fear that people may find out the secrets of their clan, fear that people may know Uchihas are actually descendants of demon—they all swore to take the secrets with them to the graveyard. This was the miserable life of every Uchiha member. Itachi was tired of all these. He could see no future for his clan. He didn’t understand why his people felt ashamed of their own past. He didn’t understand why his people didn’t see their superiority to the normal human beings. He didn’t understand why his people decided to seal up such a great power and not to use it. Itachi had lost all his hope for the Uchiha clan because of the pathetic “path” they had chosen.

From the moment Itachi heard about the origin of his clan he felt a weird sense of pleasure and superiority. He felt he was somehow more special than the others. Then his sick and twisted mind had gone even further. He wanted to set the tengu free. He was willing to sacrifice his body in exchange for probably the strongest power the world had ever seen. He was ready to offer his body to the Tengu King.

Soon Itachi had put his thoughts into action. When he learned about the Akatsuki’s plan to capture the Bijuus he decided to join them. He needed their help to get the Kyuubi’s chakra. But that’s not all. Itachi still had to find another 2 MS users. After awhile, he came across a second MS user who agreed to help him carry out his plan. Now all he needed was the third and last MS user.

Itachi knew his clan members would never kill their loved ones to get MS. He despised them. They were a bunch of cowards, useless …oh wait, Itachi suddenly came up with an idea—he could still use them to achieve his purpose. He could use them to make his little brother the third MS user…

On a full-moon night, the ancient blood inside Itachi finally awakened and he had completely lost his mind. He killed his entire clan including his parents. Then he waited for his little brother Sasuke to come home. He wanted him to know he was the one who did it. He used Tsukiyomi on his brother to make sure such a traumatic picture would stay with him for the rest of his life. He wanted Sasuke to hate him. He wanted Sasuke to hate him enough to kill his own friend and activate the Mangekyou Sharingan. He told him about the secret meeting place so that he would find out everything. He wanted Sasuke to take the path he had paved for him—the path of an avenger...
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^ did you just Copied and pasted the theory of Yasha here ?... that's unnecessary. >_< and its not complete either, that's just a part of it. . . .. >_<

Edit: i take back. . you posted the continuation ... lol ..
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the uchiha clan are part demon which derive from the god of tengu who married the hyuuga girl inorder to obtain power
madara was a good man but was looked upon as bad because of his pact with the kyuubi's power
yes i pasted it because i felt it was an amazing theroy and set everything straight. and it is complete
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^ you 100% believe in yasha's theory? wherein above all. . even the theory was fully backed up ... still nowhere in the manga said anything about madara being like that or this . .. the only thing we know is what the kyuubi said . .. your saying it like yasha's theory is a fact when it is not. .(lol then its no theory if its a fact lol)
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if you go to the link i posted earlier and read everything it is completley backed up with evidence and all.
i believe in it and i back it up!
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i've already read that long long time ag0, when that theory was still a bit fresh... well y'know.. being an 8 mnth old theory.. i just said that it was fully backep up... but it doesn't mean its actually true, after all its a theory.. but, yeah, if you believe it, its all g0od.. it might be even true, lol... ..
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thanks.
it was well planed out i think.
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thanks.
it was well planed out i think.


even though i said that doesn't mean i agree with it aryt..
it was just a very g0od work and a theory ..=]
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