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China and democracy
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Posted 6/28/08
Yes, democracy is good, but some countries aren't ready for it, including China. So, stop whining about the CCP (who are doing an exceptional job of reforming and opening up China) and their 'dictatorial' rule.

First of all, a lot of China's population are illiterate. Not being able to read does pose a threat to voting, right? Also, people can be bribed to vote for a certain person, because they need money.

China has been under imperial rule for 4000 years. It's hard to change from absolute rule to complete freedom. Communism is a stepping stone from imperialism to democracy. It takes time to change things, and China has a lot of people (1.3 billion aprox.). The older generations still hold on to the old traditions, so the government must take things slowly before China is ready for a democracy.

If China was a democracy now, chaos would be the result. You all saw what happened to Russia.

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Posted 6/29/08
Ehhh....Things like this needs lots of time...
People's mindset cannot be changed that easily...
But once they see the benefits of freedom, they will accept it over time...
Its like people migrating to desert areas...
Initially you cant take the heat but over time you will get used to it...Its the same in essence...
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I don't know. Hong Kong is doing fine. So is Taiwan.
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h4x0rz wrote:

I don't know. Hong Kong is doing fine. So is Taiwan.


Hong Kong was once a colony of the British so they had a head start...
Taiwan...I really dont know...
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jinhong91 wrote:


h4x0rz wrote:

I don't know. Hong Kong is doing fine. So is Taiwan.


Hong Kong was once a colony of the British so they had a head start...
Taiwan...I really dont know...

Hong kong signed a 100 year agreement with Britain to stay with democracy.
And Taiwan is a breakaway republic.
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I don't know what effect would democracy have, but capitalism would send China back to the third world. Just look at Russia, in the old soviet days only 1.2% of the population were below the poverty line, in the early 90's, after the dissolution 48% where poor. Has it recovered yet? No. Today 20% of the Russians are poor.

Btw, don't mix socialism with communism, they're different concepts.
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I think if people are protesting the government to the point of being murdered by them (Tiananmen Square) then they are ready for a democracy. Dictatorships and communism only collapse. Taiwan is doing much better than China. Hong Kong is doing better then mainland China. China is oppressive, one might have a communist economic plan, but human rights and freedom of religion should always be respected. The Chinese government pushes to much propaganda to be trusted.
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Posted 6/30/08
The CCP just needs to ease up a bit on certain personal aspects such as freedom of speech without having to worry about being arrested for simple things. Only reason you'd have a lot of illiterate people is if you don't have a stable and dedicated educational program for all your citizens. Education= knowledge = quality employees for future companies. But maybe they just want to keep that sector of cheap manual labor going on.

Of course that money is only being invested mostly in corporate progress and military though. If they'd stop trying to focus on controlling how their citizens think, and instead turn to inspiring their citizens to become more imaginative and innovative, China could grow wiser faster.
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Posted 6/30/08

Patonetx wrote:

I don't know what effect would democracy have, but capitalism would send China back to the third world. Just look at Russia, in the old soviet days only 1.2% of the population were below the poverty line, in the early 90's, after the dissolution 48% where poor. Has it recovered yet? No. Today 20% of the Russians are poor.

Btw, don't mix socialism with communism, they're different concepts.


In the "old Soviet days", millions of people died from famine and hunger. The reference to the poverty line essentially means nothing, since the Soviet government was very effective at ripping their citizens from the products of their own work.

The poverty line is a relatively new concept, and an extremely imperfect one at that.
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digs wrote:

I think if people are protesting the government to the point of being murdered by them (Tiananmen Square) then they are ready for a democracy. Dictatorships and communism only collapse. Taiwan is doing much better than China. Hong Kong is doing better then mainland China. China is oppressive, one might have a communist economic plan, but human rights and freedom of religion should always be respected. The Chinese government pushes to much propaganda to be trusted.


Would you rather have human rights and freedoms but you're too poor to even eat, or have limited rights but still have enough money to fill your stomach?
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Darknile wrote:

The CCP just needs to ease up a bit on certain personal aspects such as freedom of speech without having to worry about being arrested for simple things. Only reason you'd have a lot of illiterate people is if you don't have a stable and dedicated educational program for all your citizens. Education= knowledge = quality employees for future companies. But maybe they just want to keep that sector of cheap manual labor going on.

Of course that money is only being invested mostly in corporate progress and military though. If they'd stop trying to focus on controlling how their citizens think, and instead turn to inspiring their citizens to become more imaginative and innovative, China could grow wiser faster.


China's already working towards that; big changes take time, so the rest of the world shouldn't be so keen on bashing China, and help their economy grow, so that the population can afford school. If people can afford school, then they can get jobs, and eventually change the country's policies.
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Taelin wrote:


Darknile wrote:

The CCP just needs to ease up a bit on certain personal aspects such as freedom of speech without having to worry about being arrested for simple things. Only reason you'd have a lot of illiterate people is if you don't have a stable and dedicated educational program for all your citizens. Education= knowledge = quality employees for future companies. But maybe they just want to keep that sector of cheap manual labor going on.

Of course that money is only being invested mostly in corporate progress and military though. If they'd stop trying to focus on controlling how their citizens think, and instead turn to inspiring their citizens to become more imaginative and innovative, China could grow wiser faster.


China's already working towards that; big changes take time, so the rest of the world shouldn't be so keen on bashing China, and help their economy grow, so that the population can afford school. If people can afford school, then they can get jobs, and eventually change the country's policies.



h4x0rz wrote:

Hong kong signed a 100 year agreement with Britain to stay with democracy.
And Taiwan is a breakaway republic.


Taiwan is still part of China; the UN does not recognize Taiwan as an independent country yet.

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China will be ready for democracy and a new start once Mao Zedong's portrait comes off Tiananmen Square.

China will be able to have democracy once the government now is rid of it's old conservative (and mostly corrupt) officials. What China needs is a strong leader and a strong party with people ready for a big change(not Communist).


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Conservative leaders? China is heavily socialist (Liberalism) and borderline communist. If they had conservative leaders there wouldn't be restrictions on religions, children, free speech, and international trade/visas. Liberalism leads to socialism which leads to communism. Conservatism leads to fascism. there needs to be a balance of both in order to have well functioning nations.
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emily_92 wrote:

China will be ready for democracy and a new start once Mao Zedong's portrait comes off Tiananmen Square.

China will be able to have democracy once the government now is rid of it's old conservative (and mostly corrupt) officials. What China needs is a strong leader and a strong party with people ready for a big change(not Communist).




China is making big changes, and the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) is not as conservative now.
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