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China and democracy
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Posted 10/10/08
China is definitely not ready for democracy. Like most have already stated, they have followed an imperial dictatorship-like rule for most of it's history and it's communist ways of today in some ways are just a modern version. To make such a dramatic change like transforming it into a democracy would lead to social chaos. The transition would most probably backfire, because as it has been said, most of the population are illiterate and poor. The main concerns of the majority of the people would be to earn money and make a living. It all comes down to the people really, they need to have a good basis of education and understanding of the wider world to be able to judge for themselves the kind of system best suited for China.

Also, it can be argued that democracy is not always the right way to go about things. I suppose, many people in western countries have been brought up with the ideology that democrocy is the correct system, and perhaps, humane system to govern a state. However, there are very thin lines to which certain laws apply such as criminal sentences etc.
Don't get me wrong, democracy is working. All i'm saying is that it may be the right thing for China.
As it is already seen, there is a lot of corruption in the system there, and somehow i think that corruption would creep into a democracy.
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Posted 10/11/08
China is doing great with being a communist country

some countries are great with being democratic but some countries will do fine in a communist or authoritarian state.

take a look at Cuba, Cuba is doing great with Fidel Castro's dictatorship (hopefully nothing changes now that his son took over)

but i really think that China should let go of Taiwan.. Taiwan has the four requirements of being a country..

the only problem is that the UN will not give them a seat because China is holding them..

China is gonna be the Economic Giant of the world sooner or later..

look at the US, Wall Street is falling down..
Posted 10/15/08
yeah i agree. most of the people who believe solidly that china needs to change into a democracy overnight are people who have never been there...i doubt they've even been out of the U.S. Trust me, if you go take a visit right not, you'll find that china does have its own load of problems...but not anymore than any other country. i don't neccisarily agree with Communism...China is solving its problems slowly...and i doubt any one could do a better job of it.
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Posted 10/15/08
Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette
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Posted 10/25/08
The best country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 11/3/08

Assault911 wrote:

The best country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Is not China.
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Posted 11/3/08
not to sure in chinese politics (ive only studied euro and u.s history) but all governments are the same. If the government loses its powerful figures too fast, it results in a power vacuum, a charismatic man comes into power and has a reign of terror, the man loses power, then the aristocracy comes back to rule again. (every government that had a power vacuum always repeated this general pattern with the exception of America although its debateable whether George washington was the one who was made the "reign of terror"
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Posted 11/3/08

Sulla wrote:


Assault911 wrote:

The best country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Is not China.


lol
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Posted 11/4/08
The world seems to be in love with democracy and takes it as an almost ideal ideological position that should be held on to. In fact, most people talk about democracy as if it is the natural state humans should be governed. This completely ignores the fact that for the larger part of human history, democracy didn't even exist. Most of the old governments were dictatorships of some form.

I think that democracy as an ideological position isn't necessarily better than a communist one. In fact, communism as taught by Marx is based on human goodwill. Marx's ideology actually wants everyone to be "self-actualized" and not need to worry about the first few levels of human motivation because he believes that after seeing the inequality in a capitalist structure, people would be more than willing to share equally amongst themselves and there would be more than enough for everyone. It also assume people would be willing to do their best for society as a whole without any selfishness and those who are unable to catch up will be pulled along and not looked down upon. People would also be able to do whatever they liked and did best at to contribute to society. He envisions a world in which everyone really cares for and is willing to help one another with whatever they are good at.

The problem is that it is just an ideological position and would not work out in reality. People are greedy and want to be able to gain advantages for themselves from whatever position they are in. People need some benefit for themselves in order to really strive. What I'm saying is that ideologically, Communism is not the evil creature that everyone seems to make it out to be and Democracy isn't necessarily better than it. Ideologically. Its the practical aspects that matter. And in practice, democracy has worked out better, so that's that.

For China though communism does seem to be working out. China's standard of living is improving. Its just not so easy to improve living conditions for 1.33 billion people. There is no room for other people's rhetoric to interfere with China's government and politics, even if these other people happen to be people of power. They can point out problems, like with the way China handled Falungong, but not by sweeping everything together and saying China's government needs to be reformed. Its not like there are no human rights issues going on in democratic countries.

On another note, there was this paper put out by someone from China about how the Chinese government is actually more democratic than the American one. Its specifically about the way the government is run, not about how the government is selected. I forgot most of its context and arguments but I thought it was pretty convincing. I need to find it again to link it.
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Posted 11/4/08
Technically, China has democracy in that they vote for their president. But it is a single party monopoly in that all presidential candidates are from the same party. If anything, China should move away from communistic socialism and allow people of other opinions to have a voice in their Senate and in their presidential elections. China has single party partisan monopoly, which is a bad thing for any country. I think if the people demanded rights and forced the government to have an opposing party, we will see a stronger and healthier China with better human rights and more equality and freedoms.
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Posted 11/4/08

Sulla wrote:


Assault911 wrote:

The best country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Is not China.


http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-365669/MOST-POWERFUL-CHARACTER-OF-EVERYTHI

Go read your self.
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Posted 11/19/08
I think communism can work in places but not for a very long time it is one of those things that will always die out after its served its purpose its something that just doesnt work out in the end.
Im against communism personally although i dont know the extent to which it has helped in china.
I watched a documentary about China and they treat people in professional jobs very badly i mean there was some kid in the chinese circus and they were treating him like dirt cuz he made a mistake and goodness knows how they made so many gd olympians
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Posted 12/22/08
wait gun and roses after years of absence released an album called chinese democracy.....
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Posted 12/22/08 , edited 12/22/08

zuzuzuzuzuzu wrote:


digs wrote:

Hong Kong and Taiwan both have stronger local governments than mainland China. Taiwan even declares self independence.


Do you know well Chinese local governments? I don't think so.

(Akisame-sama) - Maybe he does know Chinese local governments. How would you know.


digs wrote:
China doesn't need to "take things slowly." America went strait from being in an oppressive monarchy to becoming the worlds most powerful nation on earth.


Do not compare China and the USA. They are so different, their histories are different too. How many decades America needed to become the most powerful nation? (and I really hope it will change in the future)


(Akisame-sama) - China and the USA are not so different. They wouldn't stop from massacring people to get what they want. Histories maybe different, but we're talking about right now.


digs wrote:
By taking it slowly, you are saying that you should let the already power hungry communist party control the process of becoming democratic. The people should be the ones in charge, the people should be the ones who write up a constitution and force the government to obey by their laws and standards like the do in other democracies. I think that the Chinese leaders should be put in jail for human rights violations


NO. The people should FIRST go to school, become litterate, find a good job and become wealthier. Chinese leaders should be put in jail? You do not even make the difference between leaders of local and central government! WTF? I know that there are problems with human rights (Tibet, corruption, Tian an men etc)but thanks to the same government, more than 100 million people have reached some correct standards of living. What you and the people from some Western countries (I totally know their mentality, I'm from France) call "human rights" has an other meaning for the Chinese : human rights= a good job, a good education, a good health etc. And the policy of the Chinese central government is in this way. Because the leaders want China to be stable. But I totally acknowledge that China has many severe issues about human rights. But China is NOT ONLY what the fucking Western media are telling about it.


(Akisame-sama) - If the people of China become literate when the current government is in power, guess what they're going to learn like. They're going to learn the way the government wants them to learn.


digs wrote:
but that's just me.

This is lame. As if you were too coward to affirm your own previous words.


(Akisame-sama) - He's just saying that's his opinion and you just call him a coward for it?

Edit- All my posts are not in blue and have my name in front of them. Sorry if I confuse anyone.
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Posted 12/22/08

TUPAC115 wrote:

wait gun and roses after years of absence released an album called chinese democracy.....


Get owned by the Chinese Government.
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