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UFC, MMA what do you think?
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Hopchow wrote:

^ I trained in MMA for a couple years in college. You learn the submission game yes but for some reason it's not encouraged to say break an elbow during a block, or kick for the knee cap or groin. Even during submissions the fighting stops at the arm bar and such. I realize that the sport was made to test the effectiveness of various styles of fighting. I took years of shotokan prior to anything else, I was taught exactly where to strike and how to cripple people (note: joints, arteries, throat, eyes, brain stem none of these are legal in UFC). A lot of martial artists were, MMA is a sport and while it's a fight and a tough one your goal isn't to destroy your opponents future. I'm not saying they aren't gifted nor able to take care of themselves. I'm saying for someone of my size and strength (not a lot of either) not taking advantage of cheap shots and crippling blows would hinder me greatly in an actual fight. I do enjoy the sport immensely both watching and participating, though I find due to my short reach and lack of grappling training I'm usually out matched in the ring.

edit: playing at Foxwoods in March for the FPC?


Then it seems you have far more intimate knolwedge than I, being but a fan. What was the curriculum exactly? Meet any fighters training there?

I have from the information i have gathered from the various MMA forums, and webpages, including one I particularly admire (Bullshido.net), formed the opinion that pressure point striking, such as to the neck, knees e.t.c was less effective than solid boxing, as such targets are far harder to aim for, and effectively hit. Perhaps my opion of this has been clouded by seeing proffesional fighters for so long, and the way that they move, that I dismiss them out of hand against the average fighter on the street.

Also I always thought that when you have someone in an armbar, Kimura e.t.c that by holding it for longer, you will break the affected joint, or at least render it unusable.

Heh, Im an online player, my live game sucks. More visits to Vegas are required
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No I unfortunately didn't see the PRIDE the other day. But back to your point about the new emphasis on striking, its pretty obvious why this is happening. The beer filled crowds like to see 'action' and to them that means fist on head rather than any groundwork which is more technical.


Yup, and it's a damn shame. I want to see THE most effective and dangerous fighters in the world, not 'exciting' brawlers.

And yes, Pride 'Rocks teh big one'

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^^ Yes holds like the arm bar and kimura can seriously stress the applied joint. So can the heel holds and ankle locks (most of these attack the knee). That's why you'll see ref's call matches once an arm bar is applied. The pressure points and arteries can be tricky to hit. The knees and throat aren't nearly as hard as the other two and require very little actual power to disable an opponent. Preferable to trying to box someone down if you're a small quick fighter. I lack the ability to put down pretty much anyone with one punch even if struck square on the jaw I wouldn't expect them to drop. The gloves also as small as they are make a huge difference. It means less broken bones from punches.
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i dont really watch ufc... too violent for my taste. ill also have to agree with hopchow. those ufc rules extremely limit some martial artists.. when you get too close to punch or kick, martial artists usually employ elbow techniques, small joint manipulation, choking, etc.. but since there's rules against it, grappling is the best option in the ring.. i used to read some of the stuff on bullshido but i stopped cuz of all the flaming and it seems to be overrun by anti-TMA MMAers..

wrt whether TMAs are useful on the streets, my master swears by it.. he's lived in the ghetto his whole life and has mastered wing chun (another reason why i dont go on bullshido.. its extremely anti-wing chun), he's been in countless street fights, probably gets into one once a week. its amazing hes still alive. and he's done all of the above.. struck pressure points, arteries, broke ppl's bones, stopped their breathing, etc. once i even had to bail him out of jail at 3 am cuz he took a guy's eye out with a finger strike. apparently it wasnt the first time he's blinded someone either. so if i cant take his word for it, then i dunno.

sure, hitting pressure points is hard, but i do believe they work. cuz my master was a firm believer that you need to have been on the receiving end of a technique before you can truly know it works and you trust your life on that technique. so he'd tell me to attack him in any way, and then he'd get me on the pressure point he wanted to show me.. then i'd be done for the day. i think those precision techniques have saved his life many times. if there's multiple attackers or people with weapons, you have to take them out within the first couple seconds. you cant try going for the knockout or go to the ground. especially when you're smaller, which you will be in a real fight.. otherwise they wouldn't pick to fight you.
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Excellent to see this thread along with the pro wrestling one up too. I tend to watch both, get updates at sites like http://www.fightnetwork.com and whatever else online. I do watch UFC more since it's more readily available but I do watch Pride and occasionally K-1 when possible. I will say the last Pride show, Second Coming was sure both a shocker and great show (even if Gomi lost, one of my current Pride favs). I look forward to Randy Couture doing one more try against Tim Sylvia next up. My other fav being a Canuck is also George "Rush" St. Pierre.
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Not a huge fan. I'll watch them if Im over at a friends place and they like ordered it on PPV. But I like WWE(or WWF, good days) more (even though it's been years since Ive seen RAW,...... good days)

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Well, as a martial artist myself (Judo, Karate, boxing-just a wee bit) i really do like UFC if its more on fighting (since it always take a lot of time when they are both down and wrestling).

WWF and WWE arent bad, but dont get enjoyed by it.
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UFC is awesome but I like Pride better.
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Heh, I was pulling hard for Gomi too, he didnt seem himself.

On the other hand though, A GOGOPLATA!??!? Against GOMI!? Madness.

Favourite fighters? Hrmm.

Fedor,
Hunt
Cro Cop
Gomi
Sakuraba
Bas Rutten
BJ Penn

Keep your eye on Hardonk in the UFC, I think he's gonna make waves.
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lol I agree cocky! Mind you when I got initial reports on the match I had to look up what a gogoplata was! Now I know and knowing is half the battle. I need to see more Mirko to get a feel of liking him or not. I have seen Bas Rutten and he's also gret in interviews! Ditto with Couture or Liddell. OH man and how did I forget my fav Ultimate Fighter champ so far, Diego "NIGHTMARE" Sanchez?! When he and Josh Koschek hook up in the next fight, this might be a match of the year candidate. So far I can only give that to the Diaz/Gomi fight recently, and top knockout (though I feel for Sean Salmon and was freaked too until it was announced online he was OK) the kick takedown by Rashad Evans. He's come so far since the silly dance moment...

BTW, in the next UFC keep an eye on Jason "The Athlete/Ultimate Fighter Killer" MacDonald. He has Rich Franklin next and if Franklin is not careful again, this Canadian will beat him and get closer to getting taken seriously!

BTW, this list from The Fight Network to show there's PLENTY of MMA options of different companies to choose from.

*Here’s an idea of how insane the month of April is looking like for MMA:
*April 5th: UFC Fight Night Live in Las Vegas
*April 5th: Debut of “Ultimate Fighter 5”
*April 7th: IFL show in Los Angeles
*April 7th: UFC 69 in Houston
*April 8th: Pride show in Japan
*April 13th: IFL show in Uncasville, CT
*April 14th: BoDog “Clash of Titans” show
*April 21st: UFC 70 in Manchester, England
*April 21st: Cage Rage show in England
*April 28th: Pride show in Las Vegas (tentative)
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Heh, Diego is by far the best TUF export, very exciting, very fast, very strong. He has a good long career ahead of him.

You're right about Jason MacDonald too, I've heard nothing but good things about him. Heh, the Rashad kick, he's got the nickname 'Bro Cop" on the UG these days, that kick came out of nowhere, and damn did it connect. The Salmon Karate Kid kick was ... different.



My favourite KO? Ouch, tricky one, mebbe a highlight reel Cro Cop LHK, like the one on Wandy, or maybe one of the early UFC types, the Tank/Matua one was pretty brutal... Ohhh the anderson Silva elbow was insane, hang on let me dig it up.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JnpUkneMSWE

Ooo how about Cro Cop/Sapp, broken orbital anyone? I know its K1 but still..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fPrTDsBCM10






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^wahahahahahah!!! that's funny dude
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this shit is funnier, check this out, its rampage jackson's commentary on a fight - this guy is hilarious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41S8_qwa80U
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Posted 3/2/07
UFC's better since I watch that all the time on bravo and have never heard of MMA before
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UFC is MMA its just the difference in rules^
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