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Hey guys,

What do you think about the code?

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it is serious gayness.. lol
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maybe it's about pein...."The real one isn't there" pein has 6 identities and he could be like hiding somwhere and the 6 bodies are like his "weapons" ??? idk just guessing
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So the real pein is not with the akatsuki... where he is?
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*edit*
hon: book, main (pref), head, this, our
mono: thing, object, person, mono
hai: ash, high, lung, wear, put on(sword), actor, yes
i: greatness, lean on, rest against, medicine, the healing art, doctor, cure, healing, depending on, stomach, twelfth sign of the Chinese zodiac
na: name, reputation, exorcism, greens, vegetables


honmono: genuine article
inai: within, inside of, less than
what do you all think?
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plus im still wondering how in the earth did jiraiya remember all those......how can he remember the first character of different pages in his book.......how can he remember those words and not even remember that hes the one who named naruto and what makes him the grandfather of naruto.............

and why is it naruto's real father the fourth is a secret?.....so many questions
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LOL, we already knew Jiraiya was refering that Nagato was the real Pain back in Chapter 380.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/380/04/

Remember Yahiko Pain used Nagato's words that only was said to Jiraiya in privacy.



And you be surprised what Writers remember when they create stories. Some passages can be dear to their hearts. Afterall, I bet people can recall pages and words in their favorite novels or books like Religious Text.


He responded to Nagato, he said he knew about Yahiko and he stated alot of things only Nagato could know. Jiraiya only became confused the moment other Rinnegan users and Yahiko's body came out but before that he was certain. Considering the others had the Rinnegan and only one was known with the Rinnegan he became confused.

Really the reason he was shocked was because he didn't think that the Rinnegan could do that but well he knows now.
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this could be great way of naruto + konoha fighting pain the the next coming chapters especially if all these bodies that pain is using can hype naruto and other character. all the pain's bodies are pretty much going to be destroyed when pain shows up in konoha to only draw out the real body somewhere else in the world but perhaps thats exactly what madara wants as well.

nagato vs naruto is the future match up that would hopefully be pretty much 1 on 1. we will get to see nagato's real skill with the rinengan power later on.
I suppose, but I don't see how they will stand a ghost of a chance. Jiraiya had trouble with one body in base. Whatever they figure out better be something in their favor. Though I doubt all of them will be killed especially the Yahiko-Pein.

I can't help the feeling that the female Pein will kill Tsunade.

After the whole "Itachi was a good guy" thing, I wasn't expecting Kishi to pull a second elaborate villian-facade out of his ass this soon. Nothing I see wrong with it.
I don't have hard feelings against it nevertheless. Then again their could be more to Pein's true identity that hasn't been revealed yet.
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Hm, it's more because of the English translation of the things muddling things up.

From Iwanin's translation, it's "There isn't a real one".

HON-MONO-HA-I-NA-I'
本物はいない

There isn't a "with".
hexa, as always, the voice of reason!

let's go over what we know here. The Japanese is 本物はいない which translated literally as

real [subject marker] present/exist/is [negative]

that's basically what the Japanese looks like and working from that we get the phrase "the real one is not here/present" and this is where the confussion arises.

the trouble with the quote is that the verb /iru/ has more than one meaning. It could mean that someone is temporarily absent as in

kare wa ima inai [he's not here right now]

or permenantly

kare wa mou inai [he's not here anymore]

or that something doesn't exist

sou iu hito wa inai

that kind of person doesn't exist.

As hexa says, there is no "with" in the Japanese but that doesn't mean hissho is wrong to use it. 1) he's trying to make the code work i.e. have 6 characters -a good idea for a translator! -which forces a less than perfect trans 2) he's actually trans it to mean "the boss/real pein" is not with them.

I'd say that whereas hissho's intentions are good, the with is potentially confussing and personally I'd err on the side of caution and stick with 'there is no real one'. However honmono wa inai if reversed would be subete wa nisemono or "they are all fakes" which again can have the double meaning suggesting.

in short jiraiya is either saying that they are all fake and the real one is somewhere else (hissho) or that there is not real one at all (iwanin). This can't really be decided so don't fight over it kids....



but how can this help with the battle right?everyone i suppose are thinking this question....well i only think of one thing this only means that jiraiya implies to naruto to not to waste his time fighting the six bodies but instead go get the real one whom i think is nagato........thats what almost everyone thinks but it could also be madara.....or konan..............but i guess all this questions will be answered in the next chapter..............
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The Prophecy
The toad sage predicted Jiraiya would raise a revolutionary, some one upon which the entire fate of the shinobi world would rest. he was sent to wonder the globe to write a book. This book would lead to the naming of the boy in the prophecy, Naruto.

but why was Naruto named Naruto?
Minato Namikaze liked Jiraiya's main character in the book so much that he decided to name his son after the person in the stories because he:
"liked the way the protagonist refused to give up, even at the end....that was really cool".
and,
"we want to raise our child to be a shinobi like the one in your book!"

great, good, stuff at least some one like Jiraiya's book right!

Jiraiys's book
Now lets think about how Jiraiya went about writing the book. He traveled and wrote about what he encountered and the entire shinobi world. But who did he encounter on his travels? Ok you may have figured out where im going with this. He "encountered" all of Pains bodies. Not only that but he faught with at least one of them.


all the shinobi he encountered:



Minato also comments "it almost reads like an autobiography", this suggests that it documents all his travels, all people he encountered on it.


Jiraiya may have written about all of this within his book, not him fighting that specific Pain body but the protagonist within the story fighting him. He could have gone on to write about his main characters interaction with 3 orphans from the rain country, we are yet to find out.

Subtle hint?
a side note kind of hinting at something i think,
Toad Sage-"but you will walk across the globe, and observe all creation watch as natrue takes its course"-when i re-read this i immeadiatly thought of some one with a bit of a GOD complex....Pain any one? however this can easily be dismissed as just watching creationism taking place.

Sum up
So we have jiraiya being sent too write a book that would change the world; he would travel, while observing nature. The subject matter of the book were his travels, during his travels he encountered all of Pain's bodies, and the book ended up being a combination of these things and characters. Naruto was essentially named after the books main character, who (remember autobiography) will have encountared the 6 Pains and apparently "refused to give up", doing what i wonder?

The theory
so i think so far i have showed how Pain and Naruto are more closely linked than people realise. Remember this was a prophacy, it all didnt happen by chance, he was meant to encounter those bodies and then write about a character encountering them, and them have the main character named Naruto who he would then train himself later.

so what is my theory? it is not who Pain actually is but where the secret is hidden.


these numbers: 9, 31, 8, 106, 7, 207, 15.
they are page numbers in his book! each page will have a account of how Jiraiya encountered/fought with them. The seven different numbers also suggests a puppet master ie Nagato (Rikudou Sannin encarnate)

Kakashi is the only character in the manga apart form Minato that has been shown reading Jiraiya's books, and when he gets his hands on the code sent back to Konoha it will all fall into place and the puzzle that is Pain will be one step closer to being completed.

one last note is that Jiraiya was talking about his old book, and this was essencially all about Pain and Naruto, he goes onto comment in his last thoughts that he needs a title for his next book...."I need a title for the next book...lets see...ah got it....the tale of Uzumaki Naruto...perfect!" this suggest to me that his first book was the prologe to the birth of a new shinobi world, the one naruto will shape.




i hope you enjoyed reading i enjoyed writting it...i hope more people see there are more ties between Naruto and Pain than meets the eye.

any thoughts?
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but pains eyes are the strongest right ....stronger than sharingan ...thats what yiraya said...when they met...o_Õ) the founder of all techniqeus....or something like that.....soo why would he ..taking commands of tobi ???
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about the code... i dont have any any what it is.... its ta and not 9
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konan has a new face pierced one.... and a rinnegan...
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which means pein can be hidding somewhere? and he will going to come out when his six bodies are dead?
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