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Posted 7/14/08

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how does the middle east making algebra have to do with religion? math and religion are really very different. You titled this thread islam and went to talk about things not dealing with religion, I have nothing against islam. Someone's religion doesnt have anything to do with if they made mathematics, I know someone who is a muslim so I've conversed with her before on the differences of our beliefs, but she never mentioned math being in the Qu'ran


Many scholars and brilliant mathmaticians came from the middle east and were devout muslims. Also, the arctecture of mosques is incredibly geometric and has some of the most complicated geometry designs and precision.
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BunnizGoRAWR wrote:

how does the middle east making algebra have to do with religion? math and religion are really very different. You titled this thread islam and went to talk about things not dealing with religion, I have nothing against islam. Someone's religion doesnt have anything to do with if they made mathematics, I know someone who is a muslim so I've conversed with her before on the differences of our beliefs, but she never mentioned math being in the Qu'ran


Many scholars and brilliant mathmaticians came from the middle east and were devout muslims. Also, the arctecture of mosques is incredibly geometric and has some of the most complicated geometry designs and precision.


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1.Why do muslims get so anouyed when some one make fun of muhamid
but not say anything when god is made fun of
(well only the ones i've met or heard of i'm sure there is other muslims that heat that too)

2. why is it that quite a few muslim i've met(not all of them) seem to think it's ok to chop a begers hands off


1.Not all do, mostly the extremely conservitive ones. Others can laugh it off. It's kind of like how deeply religious christians get offended whenever they see a satire of Jesus. I'd find it deeply offensive to say that an entire religion can be blamed and stereotyped by the extreme beliefs and actions of the muslim terrorists if I was muslim.

2.O_o I've never heard that one. I guess it also depends of personal beliefs. Why do many Christians think it's alright to shame and ostracize gay people? (it's not only christians who hold that last belief, but that was the first thing that came to my mind when searching for an example)

out of all the christians i know
i'm the only one that is ok with being gay
but most muslims i've met are a bit ok with people that are gay

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Posted 7/14/08

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artgeek707 wrote:


BunnizGoRAWR wrote:

how does the middle east making algebra have to do with religion? math and religion are really very different. You titled this thread islam and went to talk about things not dealing with religion, I have nothing against islam. Someone's religion doesnt have anything to do with if they made mathematics, I know someone who is a muslim so I've conversed with her before on the differences of our beliefs, but she never mentioned math being in the Qu'ran


Many scholars and brilliant mathmaticians came from the middle east and were devout muslims. Also, the arctecture of mosques is incredibly geometric and has some of the most complicated geometry designs and precision.


Rediscovered mathematics and philosophy from the Greeks and Romans.


what about the arcetecture in the mosques?
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Posted 7/14/08

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leviathan343 wrote:


artgeek707 wrote:


BunnizGoRAWR wrote:

how does the middle east making algebra have to do with religion? math and religion are really very different. You titled this thread islam and went to talk about things not dealing with religion, I have nothing against islam. Someone's religion doesnt have anything to do with if they made mathematics, I know someone who is a muslim so I've conversed with her before on the differences of our beliefs, but she never mentioned math being in the Qu'ran


Many scholars and brilliant mathmaticians came from the middle east and were devout muslims. Also, the arctecture of mosques is incredibly geometric and has some of the most complicated geometry designs and precision.


Rediscovered mathematics and philosophy from the Greeks and Romans.


what about the arcetecture in the mosques?


Depends on which architecture. In Spain, they had their own unique fusion. Their architecture overall was probably more grounded in Middle East designs.
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Posted 7/14/08

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artgeek707 wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


artgeek707 wrote:


BunnizGoRAWR wrote:

how does the middle east making algebra have to do with religion? math and religion are really very different. You titled this thread islam and went to talk about things not dealing with religion, I have nothing against islam. Someone's religion doesnt have anything to do with if they made mathematics, I know someone who is a muslim so I've conversed with her before on the differences of our beliefs, but she never mentioned math being in the Qu'ran


Many scholars and brilliant mathmaticians came from the middle east and were devout muslims. Also, the arctecture of mosques is incredibly geometric and has some of the most complicated geometry designs and precision.


Rediscovered mathematics and philosophy from the Greeks and Romans.


what about the arcetecture in the mosques?


Depends on which architecture. In Spain, they had their own unique fusion. Their architecture overall was probably more grounded in Middle East designs.

Do you mean the moors of Spain? (the muslims who got pushed out) Anyway I was reffering to the complex geometry in the architecture, specifically in the mosaics.
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Posted 7/14/08

artgeek707 wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


artgeek707 wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


artgeek707 wrote:


BunnizGoRAWR wrote:

how does the middle east making algebra have to do with religion? math and religion are really very different. You titled this thread islam and went to talk about things not dealing with religion, I have nothing against islam. Someone's religion doesnt have anything to do with if they made mathematics, I know someone who is a muslim so I've conversed with her before on the differences of our beliefs, but she never mentioned math being in the Qu'ran


Many scholars and brilliant mathmaticians came from the middle east and were devout muslims. Also, the arctecture of mosques is incredibly geometric and has some of the most complicated geometry designs and precision.


Rediscovered mathematics and philosophy from the Greeks and Romans.


what about the arcetecture in the mosques?


Depends on which architecture. In Spain, they had their own unique fusion. Their architecture overall was probably more grounded in Middle East designs.

Do you mean the moors of Spain? (the muslims who got pushed out) Anyway I was reffering to the complex geometry in the architecture, specifically in the mosaics.


To be honest, I'm not really sure about it at all. If you can find any information about that, I would be grateful.
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Posted 7/14/08

leviathan343 wrote:


artgeek707 wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


artgeek707 wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


artgeek707 wrote:


BunnizGoRAWR wrote:

how does the middle east making algebra have to do with religion? math and religion are really very different. You titled this thread islam and went to talk about things not dealing with religion, I have nothing against islam. Someone's religion doesnt have anything to do with if they made mathematics, I know someone who is a muslim so I've conversed with her before on the differences of our beliefs, but she never mentioned math being in the Qu'ran


Many scholars and brilliant mathmaticians came from the middle east and were devout muslims. Also, the arctecture of mosques is incredibly geometric and has some of the most complicated geometry designs and precision.


Rediscovered mathematics and philosophy from the Greeks and Romans.


what about the arcetecture in the mosques?


Depends on which architecture. In Spain, they had their own unique fusion. Their architecture overall was probably more grounded in Middle East designs.

Do you mean the moors of Spain? (the muslims who got pushed out) Anyway I was reffering to the complex geometry in the architecture, specifically in the mosaics.


To be honest, I'm not really sure about it at all. If you can find any information about that, I would be grateful.


There was one article I read in a magazine a few weeks back about a particular mosque that had a huge geometric equation in the pattern. Sadly that magazine's website doesn't post articles as far as I can tell. I was able to find this though.
http://www.islamicarchitecture.org/art/islamic-geometry-and-floral-patterns.html
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Posted 7/14/08

artgeek707 wrote:


BunnizGoRAWR wrote:

how does the middle east making algebra have to do with religion? math and religion are really very different. You titled this thread islam and went to talk about things not dealing with religion, I have nothing against islam. Someone's religion doesnt have anything to do with if they made mathematics, I know someone who is a muslim so I've conversed with her before on the differences of our beliefs, but she never mentioned math being in the Qu'ran


Many scholars and brilliant mathmaticians came from the middle east and were devout muslims. Also, the arctecture of mosques is incredibly geometric and has some of the most complicated geometry designs and precision.


im not denying that, just saying religion is not about math so when the title is islam what should be being discussed isnt math, the title would do better as "muslims Contributions to the world" or something
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I was driving the other day comin home from seein hellboy expecting everything to be good and then i look over at the train and on it said Islam Sucks. that really made me mad, but i cant lie i kind of laughed sayin wow who writes that stuff especially on a train
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BunnizGoRAWR wrote:


artgeek707 wrote:


BunnizGoRAWR wrote:

how does the middle east making algebra have to do with religion? math and religion are really very different. You titled this thread islam and went to talk about things not dealing with religion, I have nothing against islam. Someone's religion doesnt have anything to do with if they made mathematics, I know someone who is a muslim so I've conversed with her before on the differences of our beliefs, but she never mentioned math being in the Qu'ran


Many scholars and brilliant mathmaticians came from the middle east and were devout muslims. Also, the arctecture of mosques is incredibly geometric and has some of the most complicated geometry designs and precision.


im not denying that, just saying religion is not about math so when the title is islam what should be being discussed isnt math, the title would do better as "muslims Contributions to the world" or something



I hope later to branch this topic out into political and cultural discussion. For right now, I'm just allowing things to be simple in subject matter, so there is less chance of a flamewar.

EDIT. Moratorium on subject matter has been lifted. I will allow criticism and discussion about political and cultural impacts of Islam in the modern era. Just try not to be insulting.
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okay, i was in my hometown for a week. i'll try to answer all questions now :D

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Thanks for coming to this thread = ) It's nice to have someone educated on the subject.

Just a couple questions,

1 - can you explain the differences between the major sects of Islam?

2 - About the Hajj Pilgrimage. I had a teacher whose friends were pooling their money so one family could go and "represent" the entire group. Is this normally an acceptable practice?


1.There are many sects in Islam (Bohris,Ahmaddiyas,etc.) but the main are the Sunnis and Shiites. The Sunnis believe that Muhammad is the last Prophet and his words are final. The Shiites believe in the teachings of his grandson Imam Hussein too.

2. No, it's not possible. Hajj should be made with your own finances and without the support or debt of others.

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I have another question that I have never gotten a strait answer from a Muslim when asking it. What does the Koran say about marriage and divorce? Someone once told me that a man can have over 4 wives or something like that, and that all he has to do to divorce her is say that he does. What does the Koran say?


4 women are the maximum permitted, but the divorce thing you seem to have misunderstood. A divorce needs a minimum of 3 months to work out under the talak system.

geren_ribon wrote:

1.Why do muslims get so anouyed when some one make fun of muhamid
but not say anything when god is made fun of
(well only the ones i've met or heard of i'm sure there is other muslims that heat that too)

2. why is it that quite a few muslim i've met(not all of them) seem to think it's ok to chop a begers hands off

1. All Muslims model their lifestyle on Muhammed. A muslim in the states, and a muslim in china both use their right hands to eat, do not allow food to touch their palms, say the same prayer when entering the house or leaving it, or when beginning a journey and for a 1001 different unique habits.

2. LOL the muslims you met are probably Mujahid or something. Beggars are supposed to receive 2.5% of a Muslims income either on a monthly or a yearly basis.


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What I want to talk about is Islam and sport, especially sport and women from the Islamic faith.
When participating in sports, the clothing must be Islamically acceptable. This would therefore exclude shorts, t-shirts, leotards, swimming costumes etc.

I heard that It is very important to ensure that there are no males watching and that mixing of sexes is forbidden in normal situations, except in special situations under certain conditions, let alone in a sporting arena or exercise facility. It also restricts your activities, and modesty would not allow this in any case.
Permission for a Muslim woman to reveal her hair, arms etc. is permitted to her husband, father, mother and so on.

So what I was wondering about is if any of the female Muslims here are participating in any sport activities, and if they are allowed to do certain ones where they would need to uncover themselves.

Since I find sport to be a very important part of a human's life, because of all its profits for the body and soul, I was wondering how much a woman can get involved with sport activities. >_>

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No, there's nothing wrong with Muslim sportsmen and women. Sania MIrza from India is one example. She plays tennis with regulation miniskirt and hair uncovered but comes from a conservative family.
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4 women are the maximum permitted, but the divorce thing you seem to have misunderstood. A divorce needs a minimum of 3 months to work out under the talak system.

dont forget to mention. polygamy only allowed when the first or earlier wives(which still is not devorce)must agree to let her husband marry first. And based on Quran, devorce is something Allah dislike and it should be avoided.
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h4x0rz wrote:
4 women are the maximum permitted, but the divorce thing you seem to have misunderstood. A divorce needs a minimum of 3 months to work out under the talak system.

dont forget to mention. polygamy only allowed when the first or earlier wives(which still is not devorce)must agree to let her husband marry first. And based on Quran, devorce is something Allah dislike and it should be avoided.


yeah, and it's only allowed when the first wife is unable to bear children or the other wives are destitute or unexpectedly widowed.
Posted 7/17/08 , edited 7/17/08

h4x0rz wrote:




MidnightZorya wrote:

What I want to talk about is Islam and sport, especially sport and women from the Islamic faith.
When participating in sports, the clothing must be Islamically acceptable. This would therefore exclude shorts, t-shirts, leotards, swimming costumes etc.

I heard that It is very important to ensure that there are no males watching and that mixing of sexes is forbidden in normal situations, except in special situations under certain conditions, let alone in a sporting arena or exercise facility. It also restricts your activities, and modesty would not allow this in any case.
Permission for a Muslim woman to reveal her hair, arms etc. is permitted to her husband, father, mother and so on.

So what I was wondering about is if any of the female Muslims here are participating in any sport activities, and if they are allowed to do certain ones where they would need to uncover themselves.

Since I find sport to be a very important part of a human's life, because of all its profits for the body and soul, I was wondering how much a woman can get involved with sport activities. >_>

Floetry~



No, there's nothing wrong with Muslim sportsmen and women. Sania MIrza from India is one example. She plays tennis with regulation miniskirt and hair uncovered but comes from a conservative family.


Oh I heard about her, but I must say that I also heard that she has been widely attacked and vilified in Islamist cricles. They are saying that she has a corrupting influence on the youth, because of her unislamic clothing. She got threatened, and she even feared to play with an Israeli tennis player, because of the uproar that this match might have caused in certain communities. It seems to me that she has quite a hard life, and can't play the sport freely as she would want to because of her religion and because of certain individuals from the same religion, clerics, and Islamist groups, etc.
Her family seems to be cool though, since it was her dad that brought her to play tennis, but the surrounding is just letting one hope for a more tolerant future. =/
Btw, I don't mean to offend anyone here right now, I am just stating facts, and tbh it quite saddens me to see that the girl can't play her sport the way she would want to because of the fear caused by her Islamic surrounding strangulating her mind. Her tennis is quite worthwile to watch though...

Another thing is, that she is the only Muslim sportswoman of whom I know about..>.> are there any others?

PS: Thanks for the reply btw, I already thought that nobody cares about sport and Islam...=/

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