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idarklight wrote:

That's why you listen to Asian music. XD. They have professional lyric writers and composers.


That statement is kinda wrong. All music have professionals...well experienced is the proper term. But if your referring to boy bands whos producers write their music, then no dont listen to that kinda music. Some more of the same really.
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Perhaps people today pay more attention to the beat of the music instead of the lyrics themselves. At least within the genre of hip hop or rap. People like the beat more I guess? It is catchy at times I admit, but being more of a literary person, I'm afraid it's lost on me. I think that lyrics are an important part of the song; it gives it meaning. When these songs come out and dominate, it's rather disappointing. It makes it hard to find deeper lyrics with substance behind them. I like the ones that are poetic and provide imagery. Vienna Teng is one to listen to if you happen to share my interests.


true. It seems this generation is looking for a catchy beat rather than some deep moving lyrics. In my opinion it's due to the fact that hip hop/r&b/rap nowadays is seen as something to dance to. Maybe its because dancers don't really listen to lyrics, but more or so concentrate on how to capture the beats and insyc it with the movement. As you've seen quite a lot of rap songs in the past have had dances that have swept the nation.

BUT then there are the songs that have repetative choruses and capture peoples attention because they are 'catchy.' Which also brings me to mainstream music. If you look at it through the view of a artist/song writers eye of rap,hip hop ect., these days it's all about one thing $$$ money. So they look for an easy way to make some quick cash and therefore instead of speending time on some worthwhile lyrics with actual meaning they go the short route and develop some trashy, bad grammar, catchy lyrics and a quick beat to go along with a music video with half naked women. Which results into a mainstream song and soon is on every radio station and MTV tis resulting in losts of $$$. Also brainwashing a good percent of the population with it.

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i love this
and i totally agree! XD
it is 94.9 -- the rap station
i listen to this SF station called Radio Alice that is 100% non-rap and all good lyrics
look it up :] (97.3 FM)
but i think damaged has a catchy tune
it isn't about the lyrics or the grammar anymore (with rap -- not that it EVER was) but about the background music,
the techniques and the overall sounds
*sighs*
young people . . .
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Dim_Sum_King wrote:



Perhaps people today pay more attention to the beat of the music instead of the lyrics themselves. At least within the genre of hip hop or rap. People like the beat more I guess? It is catchy at times I admit, but being more of a literary person, I'm afraid it's lost on me. I think that lyrics are an important part of the song; it gives it meaning. When these songs come out and dominate, it's rather disappointing. It makes it hard to find deeper lyrics with substance behind them. I like the ones that are poetic and provide imagery. Vienna Teng is one to listen to if you happen to share my interests.


true. It seems this generation is looking for a catchy beat rather than some deep moving lyrics. In my opinion it's due to the fact that hip hop/r&b/rap nowadays is seen as something to dance to. Maybe its because dancers don't really listen to lyrics, but more or so concentrate on how to capture the beats and insyc it with the movement. As you've seen quite a lot of rap songs in the past have had dances that have swept the nation.

BUT then there are the songs that have repetative choruses and capture peoples attention because they are 'catchy.' Which also brings me to mainstream music. If you look at it through the view of a artist/song writers eye of rap,hip hop ect., these days it's all about one thing $$$ money. So they look for an easy way to make some quick cash and therefore instead of speending time on some worthwhile lyrics with actual meaning they go the short route and develop some trashy, bad grammar, catchy lyrics and a quick beat to go along with a music video with half naked women. Which results into a mainstream song and soon is on every radio station and MTV tis resulting in losts of $$$. Also brainwashing a good percent of the population with it.



It seems this generation cares more for the lyrics than the music itself. The media only allowing what they want while the underdogs fight tooth and nail with the internet for money just to put gas in their cars is whats driving people to listen to this crap.

Since when were lyrics more important than the music?
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frannxvisual wrote:


Dim_Sum_King wrote:



Perhaps people today pay more attention to the beat of the music instead of the lyrics themselves. At least within the genre of hip hop or rap. People like the beat more I guess? It is catchy at times I admit, but being more of a literary person, I'm afraid it's lost on me. I think that lyrics are an important part of the song; it gives it meaning. When these songs come out and dominate, it's rather disappointing. It makes it hard to find deeper lyrics with substance behind them. I like the ones that are poetic and provide imagery. Vienna Teng is one to listen to if you happen to share my interests.


true. It seems this generation is looking for a catchy beat rather than some deep moving lyrics. In my opinion it's due to the fact that hip hop/r&b/rap nowadays is seen as something to dance to. Maybe its because dancers don't really listen to lyrics, but more or so concentrate on how to capture the beats and insyc it with the movement. As you've seen quite a lot of rap songs in the past have had dances that have swept the nation.

BUT then there are the songs that have repetative choruses and capture peoples attention because they are 'catchy.' Which also brings me to mainstream music. If you look at it through the view of a artist/song writers eye of rap,hip hop ect., these days it's all about one thing $$$ money. So they look for an easy way to make some quick cash and therefore instead of speending time on some worthwhile lyrics with actual meaning they go the short route and develop some trashy, bad grammar, catchy lyrics and a quick beat to go along with a music video with half naked women. Which results into a mainstream song and soon is on every radio station and MTV tis resulting in losts of $$$. Also brainwashing a good percent of the population with it.



It seems this generation cares more for the lyrics than the music itself. The media only allowing what they want while the underdogs fight tooth and nail with the internet for money just to put gas in their cars is whats driving people to listen to this crap.

Since when were lyrics more important than the music?



Honestly I haven't been around long enough to say since when.
And I don't quite understand what your trying to get at...

Are you saying that lyrics are more important to this generation or that they never were a concern,
but it's more or so the beat itself?


But I do know that all I was just trying to imply were two things,
1~the catchy toon and beat was for dancing
2~And in some cases for a quick way to gain money...

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Most people in America (ranging from 10-18) don't listen to the lyrics at all they just like the beat and sometimes even "sing" along with it. Even if the original "singer" sings it most times they don't have FEEL in the words.I thank tht someone now-a-days get why most kids just listen to the beat and don't even care about wut is said in the song itself. If anyone has the time look up At Least There's Still You/至少還有你 by Sandy Lam. It is one of the many Asian songs tht has a meaning to it. Another song tht has feelings in it is Zheng Dong Ren Xin by Various Artists. This song is dedicated to the Sichun Earthquake victims.

It's a shame how kids in America just let loose (to the extreme sometimes) and do whatever they want not caring about what is said by people who really love them but instead listen to some so-called "emo" songs.I am a big supporter of rock songs and I'm not bashing on the so-called "emo" songs, but the things is, is tht how are rock songs emo? Emo is having EMONTIONS; is it not?

As to songs repeating, I, myself find tht very annoying and thts why my languages in music have changed to languages in East Asian countries. Even if I don't understand what they say most of the times I find the voices of the person singing it soothing and when I do look up the lyrics they lyrics make the song more meaningful.
Posted 7/6/08

mokney wrote:


frannxvisual wrote:


Dim_Sum_King wrote:



Perhaps people today pay more attention to the beat of the music instead of the lyrics themselves. At least within the genre of hip hop or rap. People like the beat more I guess? It is catchy at times I admit, but being more of a literary person, I'm afraid it's lost on me. I think that lyrics are an important part of the song; it gives it meaning. When these songs come out and dominate, it's rather disappointing. It makes it hard to find deeper lyrics with substance behind them. I like the ones that are poetic and provide imagery. Vienna Teng is one to listen to if you happen to share my interests.


true. It seems this generation is looking for a catchy beat rather than some deep moving lyrics. In my opinion it's due to the fact that hip hop/r&b/rap nowadays is seen as something to dance to. Maybe its because dancers don't really listen to lyrics, but more or so concentrate on how to capture the beats and insyc it with the movement. As you've seen quite a lot of rap songs in the past have had dances that have swept the nation.

BUT then there are the songs that have repetative choruses and capture peoples attention because they are 'catchy.' Which also brings me to mainstream music. If you look at it through the view of a artist/song writers eye of rap,hip hop ect., these days it's all about one thing $$$ money. So they look for an easy way to make some quick cash and therefore instead of speending time on some worthwhile lyrics with actual meaning they go the short route and develop some trashy, bad grammar, catchy lyrics and a quick beat to go along with a music video with half naked women. Which results into a mainstream song and soon is on every radio station and MTV tis resulting in losts of $$$. Also brainwashing a good percent of the population with it.



It seems this generation cares more for the lyrics than the music itself. The media only allowing what they want while the underdogs fight tooth and nail with the internet for money just to put gas in their cars is whats driving people to listen to this crap.

Since when were lyrics more important than the music?


Excellent question.

I think that you can like a song for a lot of reasons. One of them is lyrics, maybe you only like the beat, maybe the songs just reminds you of someone or some place and it makes it nice. Me, I love songs because of lyrics (even if the melody sucks) and some other songs I just like because the beat is awesome and it makes me feel good, gets me upbeat.

The lyrics are also important because when enforced by a melody and instrumentals fitting the mood of the song. A song with incredible lyrics but lack of creative instrumentals rarely cuts the butter for me, neither does a song with so-so lyrics but godlike instrumentals.
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mokney wrote:


idarklight wrote:

That's why you listen to Asian music. XD. They have professional lyric writers and composers.


That statement is kinda wrong. All music have professionals...well experienced is the proper term. But if your referring to boy bands whos producers write their music, then no dont listen to that kinda music. Some more of the same really.

Well, most American singers(the serious ones) write their own lyrics, whereas more Asian singers(again, the ones that actually compose, like Leehom, Anson, and Jay) receive help in the lyrics part. For example, Shi Renchi and Fang Wenshan are both famous for their lyrics. Sometimes they write all of the lyrics(ex. Jiangnan by JJ Lin), but other times, they co-write it with the composers themselves (ex. most of Leehom's songs). I'm Chinese, and from what I can tell, many Chinese songs are very poetic and meaningful.
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Lol soulja boy, I've always hated him. How the hell someone who yells out random words can get famous is beyond me.
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The one thing that singers mess up on when they make their video, is that they forget what their song meant. They would throw some random words in and just made a good rhythm. So in their video, all they show is them singing and nothing else sadly. Lyrics are pretty important now since a bunch of small kids don't really care what they're listening to =P. 'Sides, a lot of songs are based on boyfriend/Girlfriend relationships now, there's really nothing much to add except for "Oh I love you" and blehh. We need something new =O.
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The one thing that singers mess up on when they make their video, is that they forget what their song meant. They would throw some random words in and just made a good rhythm. So in their video, all they show is them singing and nothing else sadly. Lyrics are pretty important now since a bunch of small kids don't really care what they're listening to =P. 'Sides, a lot of songs are based on boyfriend/Girlfriend relationships now, there's really nothing much to add except for "Oh I love you" and blehh. We need something new =O.


YES YES YES those are the words I've been looking for from viewers! Yes its definitely true what you said just now. Two thumbs up! d(^.^) (^.^)b
Posted 7/6/08
i think that songs with great lyrics are abundant where there are new indie / rock artists making their name ... well some of them ... artists with creative freedom and talent make relle meaningful songs like secondhand serenade. songs that are personal and real like Anna Nalick's song Breathe and other peoples are deep and original. not like the generic [email protected] that the industries spit at the public.

even tho i agree with u dim_sum_king i have to admit that i do sometimes like the generic stuff ... but to an extent ... you know what i mean ... [ ? ] ... i hate the way almost every song playing on the radio has a sexual innuendo ... but yea ... ppl like what they like ... and its kinda sad that the majority of us find cheap catchy songs much more appealing than real music [ which includes more than a banging beat and great hook ]

i said alot hahaha ... i had a conversation like this with my friend ... we were comparing 50 cents song Candy Shop and Mika's song Lollipop ... i said that 50 cents song was more deragatory cuz of the underlining meaning...but friends said that mikas song was worst juss cuz he sings " sucking too hard on ur lollipop ... loves gonna bring you down" or something ... iono but yea ... if u have an opinion please tell me what u think [ anyone ]
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Honestly I haven't been around long enough to say since when.
And I don't quite understand what your trying to get at...

Are you saying that lyrics are more important to this generation or that they never were a concern,
but it's more or so the beat itself?


But I do know that all I was just trying to imply were two things,
1~the catchy toon and beat was for dancing
2~And in some cases for a quick way to gain money...



The point is, music was never about lyrics and vocals. Music was about how musicians portrayed emotions and provided atmospheric soundscape via instrumentation. See Bach, Beethoven and Mozart. They never had vocals and lyrics and yet they created timeless pieces. However, in the case of rap/hip-hop, if you take away the vocals and lyrics you have only have repetitive beats with 5 or 6 layers of sound. Nujabes has done a lot of instrumental hip-hop beats, but he isn't famous because all the major record labels find it unmarketable.
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Dim_Sum_King wrote:


A-M-Y-R-E-M-I-X wrote:

The one thing that singers mess up on when they make their video, is that they forget what their song meant. They would throw some random words in and just made a good rhythm. So in their video, all they show is them singing and nothing else sadly. Lyrics are pretty important now since a bunch of small kids don't really care what they're listening to =P. 'Sides, a lot of songs are based on boyfriend/Girlfriend relationships now, there's really nothing much to add except for "Oh I love you" and blehh. We need something new =O.


YES YES YES those are the words I've been looking for from viewers! Yes its definitely true what you said just now. Two thumbs up! d(^.^) (^.^)b


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frannxvisual wrote:




Honestly I haven't been around long enough to say since when.
And I don't quite understand what your trying to get at...

Are you saying that lyrics are more important to this generation or that they never were a concern,
but it's more or so the beat itself?


But I do know that all I was just trying to imply were two things,
1~the catchy toon and beat was for dancing
2~And in some cases for a quick way to gain money...



The point is, music was never about lyrics and vocals. Music was about how musicians portrayed emotions and provided atmospheric soundscape via instrumentation. See Bach, Beethoven and Mozart. They never had vocals and lyrics and yet they created timeless pieces. However, in the case of rap/hip-hop, if you take away the vocals and lyrics you have only have repetitive beats with 5 or 6 layers of sound. Nujabes has done a lot of instrumental hip-hop beats, but he isn't famous because all the major record labels find it unmarketable.



That is very true if you put it that way.
The tracks I usually dance to are Instrumentals, and I agree with you on the repetative thing.

But I've heard of Nujabes, but never really listened to his stuff. Isn't there a Instrumental done by him that has like someone saying rainbow in the backround? Idk i might be wrong...
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