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Wanted: Talented Song Writers with a Good Grasp on English
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Posted 7/6/08

frannxvisual wrote:


haotehmao wrote:


frannxvisual wrote:




Honestly I haven't been around long enough to say since when.
And I don't quite understand what your trying to get at...

Are you saying that lyrics are more important to this generation or that they never were a concern,
but it's more or so the beat itself?


But I do know that all I was just trying to imply were two things,
1~the catchy toon and beat was for dancing
2~And in some cases for a quick way to gain money...



The point is, music was never about lyrics and vocals. Music was about how musicians portrayed emotions and provided atmospheric soundscape via instrumentation. See Bach, Beethoven and Mozart. They never had vocals and lyrics and yet they created timeless pieces. However, in the case of rap/hip-hop, if you take away the vocals and lyrics you have only have repetitive beats with 5 or 6 layers of sound. Nujabes has done a lot of instrumental hip-hop beats, but he isn't famous because all the major record labels find it unmarketable.



That is very true if you put it that way.
The tracks I usually dance to are Instrumentals, and I agree with you on the repetative thing.

But I've heard of Nujabes, but never really listened to his stuff. Isn't there a Instrumental done by him that has like someone saying rainbow in the backround? Idk i might be wrong...


I believe that's Reflection Eternal, which has the voice sample singing "You're a flower, you're a river, you're a rainbow."
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Posted 7/6/08

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That's why you listen to Asian music. XD. They have professional lyric writers and composers.


That statement is kinda wrong. All music have professionals...well experienced is the proper term. But if your referring to boy bands whos producers write their music, then no dont listen to that kinda music. Some more of the same really.

Well, most American singers(the serious ones) write their own lyrics, whereas more Asian singers(again, the ones that actually compose, like Leehom, Anson, and Jay) receive help in the lyrics part. For example, Shi Renchi and Fang Wenshan are both famous for their lyrics. Sometimes they write all of the lyrics(ex. Jiangnan by JJ Lin), but other times, they co-write it with the composers themselves (ex. most of Leehom's songs). I'm Chinese, and from what I can tell, many Chinese songs are very poetic and meaningful.


True, but thats not to say all american pop singers do not recieve help, in fact im pretty sure they do. But their help is for creating catchy lyrics (i was actually writing crappy ). But i find that even those with help still fail.
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Posted 7/6/08

frannxvisual wrote:


mokney wrote:


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Perhaps people today pay more attention to the beat of the music instead of the lyrics themselves. At least within the genre of hip hop or rap. People like the beat more I guess? It is catchy at times I admit, but being more of a literary person, I'm afraid it's lost on me. I think that lyrics are an important part of the song; it gives it meaning. When these songs come out and dominate, it's rather disappointing. It makes it hard to find deeper lyrics with substance behind them. I like the ones that are poetic and provide imagery. Vienna Teng is one to listen to if you happen to share my interests.


true. It seems this generation is looking for a catchy beat rather than some deep moving lyrics. In my opinion it's due to the fact that hip hop/r&b/rap nowadays is seen as something to dance to. Maybe its because dancers don't really listen to lyrics, but more or so concentrate on how to capture the beats and insyc it with the movement. As you've seen quite a lot of rap songs in the past have had dances that have swept the nation.

BUT then there are the songs that have repetative choruses and capture peoples attention because they are 'catchy.' Which also brings me to mainstream music. If you look at it through the view of a artist/song writers eye of rap,hip hop ect., these days it's all about one thing $$$ money. So they look for an easy way to make some quick cash and therefore instead of speending time on some worthwhile lyrics with actual meaning they go the short route and develop some trashy, bad grammar, catchy lyrics and a quick beat to go along with a music video with half naked women. Which results into a mainstream song and soon is on every radio station and MTV tis resulting in losts of $$$. Also brainwashing a good percent of the population with it.



It seems this generation cares more for the lyrics than the music itself. The media only allowing what they want while the underdogs fight tooth and nail with the internet for money just to put gas in their cars is whats driving people to listen to this crap.

Since when were lyrics more important than the music?



Honestly I haven't been around long enough to say since when.
And I don't quite understand what your trying to get at...

Are you saying that lyrics are more important to this generation or that they never were a concern,
but it's more or so the beat itself?


But I do know that all I was just trying to imply were two things,
1~the catchy toon and beat was for dancing
2~And in some cases for a quick way to gain money...



I was adding to what you said. I was basically saying that the "Music" is less important than cheesy lyrics and a beat that can be violently spasmed to. I will say this, in my opinion, i will never ever call someone like gwen stefani or the like a "musician" because they are far from what i would recognise as a "musician"
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Posted 7/6/08

mokney wrote:


frannxvisual wrote:


mokney wrote:


frannxvisual wrote:


Dim_Sum_King wrote:



Perhaps people today pay more attention to the beat of the music instead of the lyrics themselves. At least within the genre of hip hop or rap. People like the beat more I guess? It is catchy at times I admit, but being more of a literary person, I'm afraid it's lost on me. I think that lyrics are an important part of the song; it gives it meaning. When these songs come out and dominate, it's rather disappointing. It makes it hard to find deeper lyrics with substance behind them. I like the ones that are poetic and provide imagery. Vienna Teng is one to listen to if you happen to share my interests.


true. It seems this generation is looking for a catchy beat rather than some deep moving lyrics. In my opinion it's due to the fact that hip hop/r&b/rap nowadays is seen as something to dance to. Maybe its because dancers don't really listen to lyrics, but more or so concentrate on how to capture the beats and insyc it with the movement. As you've seen quite a lot of rap songs in the past have had dances that have swept the nation.

BUT then there are the songs that have repetative choruses and capture peoples attention because they are 'catchy.' Which also brings me to mainstream music. If you look at it through the view of a artist/song writers eye of rap,hip hop ect., these days it's all about one thing $$$ money. So they look for an easy way to make some quick cash and therefore instead of speending time on some worthwhile lyrics with actual meaning they go the short route and develop some trashy, bad grammar, catchy lyrics and a quick beat to go along with a music video with half naked women. Which results into a mainstream song and soon is on every radio station and MTV tis resulting in losts of $$$. Also brainwashing a good percent of the population with it.



It seems this generation cares more for the lyrics than the music itself. The media only allowing what they want while the underdogs fight tooth and nail with the internet for money just to put gas in their cars is whats driving people to listen to this crap.

Since when were lyrics more important than the music?



Honestly I haven't been around long enough to say since when.
And I don't quite understand what your trying to get at...

Are you saying that lyrics are more important to this generation or that they never were a concern,
but it's more or so the beat itself?


But I do know that all I was just trying to imply were two things,
1~the catchy toon and beat was for dancing
2~And in some cases for a quick way to gain money...



I was adding to what you said. I was basically saying that the "Music" is less important than cheesy lyrics and a beat that can be violently spasmed to. I will say this, in my opinion, i will never ever call someone like gwen stefani or the like a "musician" because they are far from what i would recognise as a "musician"



oh, I Agree. I understand where your coming from.


Posted 9/1/08
lol you give a strong point in this particular case....
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nice topic you have here. hope nobody minds a 23 year old's (man, i feel so old looking at all your ages...) opinion...

first, respect is a really nice virtue. it shows how open you are to the unfamiliar and how deep your "well" goes. gwen stefani was once a very good singer for no doubt, and singers are also musicians. if anyone has any qualms about it, feel free to go to any conservatory/college of music and ask around if they have a major in voice. she just felt she had to change, for better or worse. too bad it was downhill from there.

second, about the question "since when where lyrics more important than the music?", i say ever since they made the lyrics the main focal point in a piece. and guess what, they still do so now. coz it works. like a charm. remember the beatles' "yesterday"? notice how mccartney made the lyrics the literal life of the song? that's when.

third, if you guys wanna put the blame on someone or something for what's happening now, don't put it on the artists. they're just pawns in this game. blame the companies, the labels, the radio stations and everybody else in the music biz first before blaming them. artists only wanna share what they feel, know and do to the world. nothing wrong with that right?

bottomline, i'd just like to encourage you guys to be more open-minded, chill and lessen the hating. hate the 24/7 chart-toppers radio? that's what i-pods are for.
Posted 9/7/08

bembrown wrote:

nice topic you have here. hope nobody minds a 23 year old's (man, i feel so old looking at all your ages...) opinion...

first, respect is a really nice virtue. it shows how open you are to the unfamiliar and how deep your "well" goes. gwen stefani was once a very good singer for no doubt, and singers are also musicians. if anyone has any qualms about it, feel free to go to any conservatory/college of music and ask around if they have a major in voice. she just felt she had to change, for better or worse. too bad it was downhill from there.

second, about the question "since when where lyrics more important than the music?", i say ever since they made the lyrics the main focal point in a piece. and guess what, they still do so now. coz it works. like a charm. remember the beatles' "yesterday"? notice how mccartney made the lyrics the literal life of the song? that's when.

third, if you guys wanna put the blame on someone or something for what's happening now, don't put it on the artists. they're just pawns in this game. blame the companies, the labels, the radio stations and everybody else in the music biz first before blaming them. artists only wanna share what they feel, know and do to the world. nothing wrong with that right?

bottomline, i'd just like to encourage you guys to be more open-minded, chill and lessen the hating. hate the 24/7 chart-toppers radio? that's what i-pods are for.


Thanks man, and no I don't mind the opinion of a twenty-three year old. After all the older the wider right? lol
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Posted 9/7/08

bembrown wrote:

nice topic you have here. hope nobody minds a 23 year old's (man, i feel so old looking at all your ages...) opinion...

first, respect is a really nice virtue. it shows how open you are to the unfamiliar and how deep your "well" goes. gwen stefani was once a very good singer for no doubt, and singers are also musicians. if anyone has any qualms about it, feel free to go to any conservatory/college of music and ask around if they have a major in voice. she just felt she had to change, for better or worse. too bad it was downhill from there.

second, about the question "since when where lyrics more important than the music?", i say ever since they made the lyrics the main focal point in a piece. and guess what, they still do so now. coz it works. like a charm. remember the beatles' "yesterday"? notice how mccartney made the lyrics the literal life of the song? that's when.

third, if you guys wanna put the blame on someone or something for what's happening now, don't put it on the artists. they're just pawns in this game. blame the companies, the labels, the radio stations and everybody else in the music biz first before blaming them. artists only wanna share what they feel, know and do to the world. nothing wrong with that right?

bottomline, i'd just like to encourage you guys to be more open-minded, chill and lessen the hating. hate the 24/7 chart-toppers radio? that's what i-pods are for.


Its the artists decision to release and produce such music, all responsibility rests on their heads. You can't blame companies for making a quick buck off of a naive singer. The singer gets the music together, the companies market it.
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well, yeah, in the US, maybe that's the ish, but here in the philippines where im from, even artists who are good and have proven time and again that they can do wonderful music still don't have the freedom to do so because even big time local acts don't make that much money. sorry i generalized on that part, i just said it as i see it from where im coming from.
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Posted 9/7/08
lol change the genre of music you listen to :]
Posted 9/7/08

Supercalafragilistic wrote:

lol change the genre of music you listen to :]


Well it applies to every song I listen to =)
Posted 4/10/09

Supercalafragilistic wrote:

lol change the genre of music you listen to :]


Well I am selective about the music I listen to. But it was the radio during that day that I was focused on. xP
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Well, you sound reasonably intelligent to me. And, you are not the only one concerned with the often mindless nature of a lot of modern "music". But, not all of the younger generation tunes are that way. Josh Grobin, for instance. I don't think I have ever heard him sing an irrelavent song. And, there are others. They just have to be found and appreciated for what they do. They're out there. Then, of course, there is the person who made the remark about Asian music. I agree with that. Asian pop music, especially Korean music is very well crafted. Maybe because a lot of young Koreans have a deeper spirituality than a lot of younger Americans. Or, at least, so it seems. My opinion.
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OP has nuked.
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