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Fountain of Youth
Posted 7/6/08
So why is the prospect of living forever so appealing? Probably because of the uncertainty of what happens after death. The unknown is really intimidating; people are scared. Well there are a lot of theories of what comes after, and these are the most common: You'll go to heaven or hell depending whether or not you believe in the God. You'll reincarnate. You'll turn into a ghost and wander the earth aimlessly forever.

Of course, the most probable is that you'll simply cease to exist in mind, body, and soul. I'm guessing being dead is kind of like when you have a dreamless sleep. There is simply nothing in your state of unconsciousness. You become nothing. It's hard imagining not being able to think or be here. It scares me. The fact is, people want to believe there is something after to comfort themselves. I believe in reincarnation. I think that if i believe enough, it may actually happen. Reincarnation does make sense in a way. Look around you. Look at nature. You've probably noticed but never thought much about it. Life gets recycled. You know, the Circle of Life?

Example.
Seed->Tree->Bud->Flower->Fruit
and then it starts all over again.

As much as that does make sense (to me at least), deep down inside, there is always that uncertainty, and that uncertainty perhaps drives certain people to want to prolong living, or put off death just a little longer. So that's where the Fountain of Youth comes in.

First off, to clarify things, the Fountain of Youth is a legendary spring, not a man made fountain. There have been many versions of the miracle waters from different cultures around the world. It did not solely originate from this story.

Juan Ponce de León was a naive Spanish conquistador who had heard of the Fountain of Youth from the people of Puerto Rico when he conquered the island in 1509 and became its governor. Being the greedy rich bastard that he was, he launched an expedition to find the miracle water, and in the process, discovered Florida. Ironically, he died shortly after doing so in 1521 when he landed on the southwest coast from an injury of a poisoned arrow to the shoulder when they were attacked by the Calusa Indians. Besides having the honor of being one of the first Europeans to set foot in America, he never did find the Fountain of Youth. The location of the fountain to this day is unknown (obviously, and who knows if it exists really? Maybe it was just a big dream to focus on to divert the minds away from death), but Florida is often said to be where it is.

Surprise. The Fountain of Youth National Archaeological Park, a tribute to the spot of where Ponce De Lion traditionally said to have landed, is located in city of St. Augustine in Florida. There is a fountain there but it isn't the Fountain of Youth. However, the website
(http://www.fountainofyouthflorida.com) is very vague on this, using "Drink from the world famous spring." as a lure to attract stupid people to their park.

So how did this topic get started? Well I came home from playing badminton today when my sister confronted me.

Sister:
Hypothetically speaking, if there was a Fountain of Youth--
Me: Yeah, I would drink from it.

Overcoming your fears is a good thing, but when it comes to death, you can't overcome it afterwards. I'd rather not know and live. A bit foolish but that's my thought for the time being. I'll grow to accept death later.

Sister: Noo, let me finish. So hypothetically speaking, if there was a Fountain of Youth and I had put some of the water in your drink, would you--
Me: I would regurgitate it and sell it (I was pretty tired and didn't feel like talking back then)
Sister: NOO, if there was a Fountain of Youth, and I slipped some in your drink and you drank from it and threw it back up, would it still affect you?
Me: *thinking, what a lousy question* Yeah, I think that some of the properties would remain in your body that you would be able to benefit from.
Sister: But what do you think if--
Me: oh...my...GOD will you leave me in peace!? Do I look like the damn oracle!????



So. Yep. And that's that.
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Posted 7/6/08 , edited 7/6/08
The only way to immortality is through the continuation of your bloodline. although you will eventually die, part of you will live forever in your offspring's blood.

i'm sorry, but that is the only way.

Edit: i also want to add, this is a very stupid topic and a waste of a thread. why am i posting in this?
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In the words of Mufasa (Lion King)
"When we die,we become grass. And the deer eat the grass."
I don't think it's the idea of dying that scares people. The idea that you haven't achieved enough(Atheists) or done good enough deeds before meeting God(Religious) scares people more.
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Posted 7/7/08
I guess it all depends if you really are afraid of dying...... the fear of death its whats make most of the ppl in this world do stupid things. Searching for something that would prolong your life on this earth its something unnatural imo, nature (and we are included in there) have a balance where all things are born, they live and then die, its a cicle wich shouldnt be interrupted.
Maybe if ppl stripped of the fear that tells you that there is a possility that when you die there is nothing more it would make ppl think twice about the idea of living forever and such.
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The Fountain of Youth probably didn't mean immortality as in your body will stay young or whatever but spirtual immortality. Buddists are technically one of the first to bring about the concept of reincarnation. But that involves karma, which is basically how good you've done in the 8 fold path. I won't go over it but supposedly when you complete it then that is when you reach nirvana, or become nothing, which kinda sucks and makes the heaven idea sound better.
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I find the notion of wanting to live forever silly. Hell, I think if anyone had obtained true immortality, they'd probably eventually start seeking ways to die. I don't even like the idea of living forever in an "after-life". In fact, there's little to no reason to exist forever, even for pure pleasure, you'd eventually get bored with everything. The reason why life is so precious is because it's so fragile, we cherish it for that reason. Why someone would seek eternity puzzles me.

On another note, it's also more than possible that one day humanity will find a way to genetically stop aging (or at least prolong it for an extremely long period of time). But, that in itself is an entirely different subject I suppose
Posted 7/7/08
Humans adore stability in their lives, which is why you should take notice to the eager willingness to accept a said fact by the given majority.

"The grass is green"
"Indeed it is green!"

It's a shame really, that we have no modern gadfly to stir up society and make us want to question what is around us -- whether it is the method of government or on factors beyond our comprehension. I have to say this as a claim on behalf of my fellow humans: the reason why we fear the unknown, is due to the fact that we would rather rest our value and our interest within what we perceive to be the truth.

Thought experiment: You are blindfolded and have the option to wander, stumble, crawl around a forest. You can't ever take off the blindfold and are informed that there is a high possibility of falling off of a cliff along with other perils as being attacked by a bear, cutting yourself against a thorned bush et cetera. Would you simply sit there and remain safe or would you be brave enough to begin a blind journey?

The majority of man-kind would simply sit there. It's rather apparent when you look at them in everyday situations.
Posted 7/7/08
I feel the same way, that when life ends, all of your being more than likely ends with it... But, even though that's the most reasonable answer, who knows. I'm semi-open to the idea of ghosts, or at least the energy of a person leaving a permanent print in an area...

I have some friends who don't understand when I try to explain the idea of just coming to an end when you die--having no more thoughts or anything. They just don't get it.
No, it's more like they can't comprehend the thought at all. I guess I kind of envy them, because it scares me too.

As for a fountain of youth? I don't want to grow old, but I'm not sure if I'd want to live forever, even being that I don't know what comes afterwards. Life is tiring.
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fountain of youth........so strange
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thats ware i get my toilet water
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baka2000 wrote:

I find the notion of wanting to live forever silly. Hell, I think if anyone had obtained true immortality, they'd probably eventually start seeking ways to die. I don't even like the idea of living forever in an "after-life". In fact, there's little to no reason to exist forever, even for pure pleasure, you'd eventually get bored with everything. The reason why life is so precious is because it's so fragile, we cherish it for that reason. Why someone would seek eternity puzzles me.
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I used to think that way as well. Then I realized that living for such a long period would change you into some sort of alien being with a perspective different from ordinary humans. I don't think we can predict how we would feel if we were immortal.
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Posted 7/19/09 , edited 7/19/09
The fountain of Youth is like the elixir of immortality, which is impossible to neither create nor obtain
Posted 7/20/09 , edited 7/20/09
Actually, cancer is one form of immortality in which the cell replenishes the time clock gene from going active; hence part of the reason why tumors develop... I forget the name of the gene or the exact name of the protein coating that keeps it from going active. But selective immortality exists within our bodies, but it's at a minimum. On top of all that, age does not really exist. The only reason why we die is due to these genetic imperfections which cause us to develop Alzheimer's disease, heart disease, and a various others...

For the first time in human history (within the past 25 years), we are well on our way to eventually figuring out how to conquer death and it may be within our lifetimes given the rate at which technology is advancing...
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illincrux wrote:

Actually, cancer is one form of immortality in which the cell replenishes the time clock gene from going active; hence part of the reason why tumors develop... I forget the name of the gene or the exact name of the protein coating that keeps it from going active. But selective immortality exists within our bodies, but it's at a minimum. On top of all that, age does not really exist. The only reason why we die is due to these genetic imperfections which cause us to develop Alzheimer's disease, heart disease, and a various others...

For the first time in human history (within the past 25 years), we are well on our way to eventually figuring out how to conquer death and it may be within our lifetimes given the rate at which technology is advancing...


Nothing's perfect, technology isn't either, it'd doubtful a human will ever live past 120, humans we're really only designed to live to 25-30 tops, but now a days we're pushing it to 70+. it's inevitable something would begin to break down. Live long enough you will get cancer or some kind. Cells can only repair their dna so many times before they screw up, giving you some genetic fault. So it's bound to happen. No big deal.
Posted 7/20/09 , edited 7/20/09

Allhailodin wrote:


illincrux wrote:

Actually, cancer is one form of immortality in which the cell replenishes the time clock gene from going active; hence part of the reason why tumors develop... I forget the name of the gene or the exact name of the protein coating that keeps it from going active. But selective immortality exists within our bodies, but it's at a minimum. On top of all that, age does not really exist. The only reason why we die is due to these genetic imperfections which cause us to develop Alzheimer's disease, heart disease, and a various others...

For the first time in human history (within the past 25 years), we are well on our way to eventually figuring out how to conquer death and it may be within our lifetimes given the rate at which technology is advancing...


Nothing's perfect, technology isn't either, it'd doubtful a human will ever live past 120, humans we're really only designed to live to 25-30 tops, but now a days we're pushing it to 70+. it's inevitable something would begin to break down. Live long enough you will get cancer or some kind. Cells can only repair their dna so many times before they screw up, giving you some genetic fault. So it's bound to happen. No big deal.


Do a bit more research on cancer and you'll find people who specialize in finding cures for it have kept cultures of the cancerous cells of people who have long since died from it for many many years after their death...they never die.

Sorry, i'm a bit too lazy in these wee hours to find them for you...

A good start would be to google Gerontology or the Human Genome Project.
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