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legolas133 wrote:

I don't think that's necessarily true...
u stated that America is mostly a Christian society and Atheisim, like muslims and gays, r minorities and r nto easily acceted others
in fact, every public school in america (not to mention most public schools around the world) r teaching kids how atheism is true, and they teach it again and again over the years
I have only been in America for 4 years and they have already teach us evolution twice
and u cannnot call the church ignorant
many churches shows videos of proofs how atheism is wrong and how it affects our community, for example, this site has a pretty good collections of videos on how evolution is wrong

http://drdino.com/downloads.php


.... What's the connection between atheism and evolution? please stick on atheism.

btw, I don't care wether you think evolution is right or wrong. However, make sure that you don't use antibiotics that are like 5 years old... as Bacteria keep evolving, and the old ones might not be effective anymore. I don't want anyone to die because they think evolution is wrong.

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I think Atheism is a form of a belief. It's not really a religion because they have no ultimate being that they should look up to.
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crunchypibb wrote:

I didn't feel like reading the rants but will someone explain to me why atheitism is a good thing?


You're inconsistent. First you call the sensible, thoughtful posts rants, refuse to read them and then you ask for more.

Maybe bullet points would be better?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/Atheism


Well sorry to blow your cap off : / seriously like wtf with you? I just meant rant as in a really long monologue. If rant means something else on your soil, too bad. I'm from America and we like to be straightforward. Deal with it and don't be offended by such things, it's a damn writing style.
I merely was just asking if someone would summarize to me in their own words what it means to be an athiest, not for some link to a website to explain it all. Doing that just means the person themself doesn't know how to fully explain themselves and shouldn't have responded in the first place.
Now please, I'll ask again in the most un-American way:

Would someone like to briefly summarize to me why atheitism would be a more reasonable choice than the best religious group. I don't feel like reading the details above because it's time consuming.

Savy?
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music190 wrote:

Atheist is just another word to describe people who are to prideful of themselves, because they cant comprehend that a more superior being created them. And they also cant comprehend Gods love, so they go about what world tells them and ignores the truth. Actually, the perfect word for those type of people is ignorant.

http://www.kjvbiblebelievers.com/


Look, you are generalizing way too much about atheists. Have you heard when people generalize about Priests for example and say they are all pedophiles? is that true? no. Just because some cases of priests getting involved with minors are discovered does not mean people are correct by saying all priests are attracted to young kids.

Same deal here. Are there atheists that are ignorant and full of themselves? you bet. are all atheists this way? no.

An ignorant person is one who does not realize there are two sides of a coin and thinks that just by seeing one they know what a coin is.
you cannot understand atheism if you do not take the time to know what it actually is and try to understand the atheist's side. If you dont understand something you cannot define it. Since your post clearly tells me you really do not know much about atheism, then your post is pretty much an empty statement.

I'm pretty sure the decent thing to do, is to know who you are talking about before speaking about them. Doesn't religion teach that? I hope so.
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Posted 8/31/08

crunchypibb wrote:

Well sorry to blow your cap off : / seriously like wtf with you? I just meant rant as in a really long monologue. If rant means something else on your soil, too bad. I'm from America and we like to be straightforward. Deal with it and don't be offended by such things, it's a damn writing style.


Calm down dear, you weren't even close to annoying me.

Also this is what rant means in America

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rant



crunchypibb wrote:

I merely was just asking if someone would summarize to me in their own words what it means to be an athiest, not for some link to a website to explain it all. Doing that just means the person themself doesn't know how to fully explain themselves and shouldn't have responded in the first place.


You already had that. You simply refused to read it.


crunchypibb wrote:

Now please, I'll ask again in the most un-American way:

Would someone like to briefly summarize to me why atheitism would be a more reasonable choice than the best religious group. I don't feel like reading the details above because it's time consuming.

Savy?


You'd still have a wall of text. You have all the options, no one is going to be able to give a complete account in a two line post.

Also it’s “Savvy”
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Posted 8/31/08

Tyrfing wrote:
Calm down dear, you weren't even close to annoying me.


Oh damnit, nvm mind about that. The internet can never truely show the person's true tone in their words. Whateva....



Also this is what rant means in America

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rant

I don't care what America thinks, screw the dictionary. Why do you think there's a new edition every once in a while? It's because people use such words differently after some time and there needs to be revision. Like the word 'rap' has had updated meanings since the word was first made up. Rant for me isn't as offensive as it's supposed to be.



You already had that. You simply refused to read it.

I did happen to read the weblink but I prefer to here it from someone directly. I like to know how people on cr personally understand what it means to be a atheist, not what a typical atheist is.



You'd still have a wall of text. You have all the options, no one is going to be able to give a complete account in a two line post.

Also it’s “Savvy”


I do have that wall of text but I have a life and I can't read them all cause of time. Sure they could make a paragraph or two about being an atheist to just summarize their point. It doesn't take a whole wall of text just to do so, from there they're just placing in detail.

Are you atheist yourself? If not I'm just wasting my time. I has life to attend to. (Yes, I said has and not had to show that I'm laid back)
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crunchypibb

Oh damnit, nvm mind about that. The internet can never truely show the person's true tone in their words. Whateva....


That's true, most of my snark is wasted on this medium.


crunchypibb

I don't care what America thinks


crunchypibb
I'm from America and we like to be straightforward.


Ah, your previous statement was misleading.


crunchypibb

Rant for me isn't as offensive as it's supposed to be.


Well, you must admit that it helps to use the same language as everyone else.


crunchypibb

I did happen to read the weblink but I prefer to here it from someone directly. I like to know how people on cr personally understand what it means to be a atheist, not what a typical atheist is.

Sure they could make a paragraph or two about being an atheist to just summarize their point.


You had that first.
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Posted 8/31/08

Tyrfing wrote:


crunchypibb

Oh damnit, nvm mind about that. The internet can never truely show the person's true tone in their words. Whateva....


That's true, most of my snark is wasted on this medium.


crunchypibb

I don't care what America thinks


crunchypibb
I'm from America and we like to be straightforward.


Ah, your previous statement was misleading.


crunchypibb

Rant for me isn't as offensive as it's supposed to be.


Well, you must admit that it helps to use the same language as everyone else.


crunchypibb

I did happen to read the weblink but I prefer to here it from someone directly. I like to know how people on cr personally understand what it means to be a atheist, not what a typical atheist is.

Sure they could make a paragraph or two about being an atheist to just summarize their point.


You had that first.


The American thing, is not as contradicting as you think. Besides, America is a very broad country that harbours various cultures. Hell we welcome them all. Most natural born Americans learn straightforward writing styles that deliver the point despite what other people think since a good number of us are liberalish. America is a love and hated country by all ^.^ Just because I don't care what (most of) America thinks, we're all general straightforward people despite that.

This is what I think about the language barrier.

Screw the fact that we misunderstand each other and just learn about the way I speak! Do that and I'll learn about you too! Damn you iron curtain. (Yes, I likes to use pictures to show my point)

You sent me a link but I don't remember you saying why atheism is better than theism <.<
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crunchypibb wrote:

Screw the fact that we misunderstand each other and just learn about the way I speak! Do that and I'll learn about you too! Damn you iron curtain.


How enlightened.


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You sent me a link but I don't remember you saying why atheism is better than theism <.<


I don't know that it is. And I wouldn't try to convince you of it if I did.

What good would trying to convince you that your deepest held beliefs are untrue do? It seems to work fine for you.

It would only make everyone irritable.
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Tyrfing wrote:


crunchypibb wrote:

Screw the fact that we misunderstand each other and just learn about the way I speak! Do that and I'll learn about you too! Damn you iron curtain.


How enlightened.


crunchypibb wrote:

You sent me a link but I don't remember you saying why atheism is better than theism <.<


I don't know that it is. And I wouldn't try to convince you of it if I did.

What good would trying to convince you that your deepest held beliefs are untrue do? It seems to work fine for you.

It would only make everyone irritable.


I wasn't asking for a conversion, just a really good defense arguement from a 'true' atheist, as in not an anti-theist cause I'm tired of those guys. All they do is talk about how they think God sucks and don't even have much to say to defend themselves, they just attack theism.
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crunchypibb wrote:

I wasn't asking for a conversion, just a really good defense arguement from a 'true' atheist, as in not an anti-theist cause I'm tired of those guys. All they do is talk about how they think God sucks and don't even have much to say to defend themselves, they just attack theism.


If by "true" atheist you mean someone who isn't anti-theist (if that's even a word), then I can safely assume that I am one.

First of all, atheism isn't better than any religion, and there is no religion that is greater than all of them. They're all just opinions really, so there's no way to measure the quality of them.

About your earlier question as to why it's more reasonable, in the literal sense of the word it is, since there is no physical evidence of any sort of deity. The only things we as humans can be 100% sure of are things that we can observe with our 5 physical senses. If we can't observe something with those senses, then the only evidence of it's existence is our willingness to put our faith in them, which isn't a very reliable source from our point of view since everyone has their own idea of what that something is or may be. There's people who put their faith in one god, others put their faith in many gods. People have many different of ideas of what that one god does and how they influence our everyday lives.

Being reasonable doesn't make it "better" though, we (atheists) just decide to believe what we can observe, while theists choose to believe that there are things that our senses can't detect.
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Cuddlebuns wrote:


crunchypibb wrote:

I wasn't asking for a conversion, just a really good defense arguement from a 'true' atheist, as in not an anti-theist cause I'm tired of those guys. All they do is talk about how they think God sucks and don't even have much to say to defend themselves, they just attack theism.


If by "true" atheist you mean someone who isn't anti-theist (if that's even a word), then I can safely assume that I am one.

First of all, atheism isn't better than any religion, and there is no religion that is greater than all of them. They're all just opinions really, so there's no way to measure the quality of them.

About your earlier question as to why it's more reasonable, in the literal sense of the word it is, since there is no physical evidence of any sort of deity. The only things we as humans can be 100% sure of are things that we can observe with our 5 physical senses. If we can't observe something with those senses, then the only evidence of it's existence is our willingness to put our faith in them, which isn't a very reliable source from our point of view since everyone has their own idea of what that something is or may be. There's people who put their faith in one god, others put their faith in many gods. People have many different of ideas of what that one god does and how they influence our everyday lives.

Being reasonable doesn't make it "better" though, we (atheists) just decide to believe what we can observe, while theists choose to believe that there are things that our senses can't detect.


Thank you.
But one thing, doesn't it take faith (trust) to believe in science? We can only guess causality from what we see, so we use what we know to explain it even though what we conclude may not be so. Am I right?
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crunchypibb wrote:
Thank you.
But one thing, doesn't it take faith (trust) to believe in science? We can only guess causality from what we see, so we use what we know to explain it even though what we conclude may not be so. Am I right?


Casuality cannot be proven to undoubtably exist, and there is no way to determine whether the casual relation between events will be maintained in the future.

So, yeah you're right.

I would argue that it takes some amount of faith to accept anything, but most of the time we unconsciously accept what we perceive and believe.
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crunchypibb wrote:
Thank you.
But one thing, doesn't it take faith (trust) to believe in science? We can only guess causality from what we see, so we use what we know to explain it even though what we conclude may not be so. Am I right?


Yes it does. But it's faith based on what we can observe, as opposed to just pure faith with no physical evidence to support. And again, neither one is better than the other.


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I have been an Atheist before. So I know what it's like. I studied Darwin, I studied Evolution, I studied everything but the Word of God. I was an ignorant know it all Atheist. And all I was looking for was the truth. But I couldn't find it any where. Except from the Bible. And that's when I came to know Christ. So I know what it's like.

Now let me ask you something, have any of you Atheist taken the time to look into the Bible instead of what the world tells you? Probably not and most likely not. Atheist will believe that the world just happened. One day, the empty space of nothing just got bored and decided to create the world. And when we die, we're nothing. Our souls wonder. And life still continues on. That's what you people believe. Nothing less, nothing more. Or my favorite, the spaghetti monster. Oh yeah, because you know, God is just a ridiculous name so we changed it something a six year old would come up with for an excuse not to eat his spaghetti dinner. Take note: It's not a Religion. It's a relationship with Jesus Christ.

So if you believe that the world just happened, then well, you have more faith than me.


Well maybe you were the self-righteous, know-it-all type of atheist, but that doesn't mean we're all that way. I've never read the Bible past Genesis, but it's because there is no physical evidence that it's not just another book. Even if someone claimed God had spoken to them and told them to write it, it was still written down by humans, and with that comes the possibility of it being twisted and corrupted to suit someone's selfish desires. Also, it's been edited many times throughout history, and there's no way to tell how far from the original it is (especially considering how corrupted the Catholic church was a long time ago).

So what makes you so sure that it's the "truth?" I'm not trying to attack your beliefs, I just want to know why not believing it makes me ignorant.
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