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crunchypibb wrote:
Thank you.
But one thing, doesn't it take faith (trust) to believe in science? We can only guess causality from what we see, so we use what we know to explain it even though what we conclude may not be so. Am I right?


Yes it does. But it's faith based on what we can observe, as opposed to just pure faith with no physical evidence to support. And again, neither one is better than the other.


leviathan343's explaination was better. I think you're confused, faith is not trust in what you know, it's what you trust that's considered unknown or not yet general acknowledged.
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Darwinist is the not same as an Atheist.
Darwinism is usually a flawed and incorrect creationist perspective on evolution.
In the 'original' and pure scientific sense, it is referring to natural selection.

Darwinist/Darwinism = incorrect term not used in science - it is mostly used by creationists & IDers

Evolution = Science
Atheism = Philosophy
Atheistic Anti-Theism = Religion


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Most of the time, people angry AT god are Deists, and not atheists.
(Deism is the idea of an absent god that does not interfere an ANY matters of human affairs)


Umm, people who are angry at God are not Deists. Deists have no reason to be angry at God
because God is not directly responsible for anything that happens.

People who are angry at God(s) are usually:
1. pseudo-Atheists who say they're Atheist in order to rebel against a religious upbringing
2. Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc who feel the need to blame the object of their worship...these people often regret their anger and become evangelicals & fundamentalists.



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Question:

How can a person be fully recognized as an Atheist? How can we differentiate a true Atheist from a hypocritical one? Can Atheist form because of anger with "god"?


u can spot an Atheist easily cuz he/she/or it (lol..) will deny any religion
How can we differentiate a true Atheist from a hypocritical one? true, pplz=bull***
Can Atheist form because of anger with "god"? well when i was a child i was a christian but later on i realised that the bible wasnt making, how can you believe something written by men? something that poped out from nowhere and started creating things, the bible says that god created humans with his own image...why would it needs eyes? face? ears?etc? we got this shape by evolving from monkeys....well that its what i think...everybody has differents points of veiws..sciense its not perfect but give me a more plausible explanation about origin of life. i got too many reasons but i dont wanna bother u.
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SimplyBill wrote:
Question:
How can a person be fully recognized as an Atheist? How can we differentiate a true Atheist from a hypocritical one? Can Atheist form because of anger with "god"?

u can spot an Atheist easily cuz he/she/or it (lol..) will deny any religion
How can we differentiate a true Atheist from a hypocritical one? true, pplz=bull***
Can Atheist form because of anger with "god"? well when i was a child i was a christian but later on i realised that the bible wasnt making, how can you believe something written by men? something that poped out from nowhere and started creating things, the bible says that god created humans with his own image...why would it needs eyes? face? ears?etc? we got this shape by evolving from monkeys....well that its what i think...everybody has differents points of veiws..sciense its not perfect but give me a more plausible explanation about origin of life. i got too many reasons but i dont wanna bother u.



1. An Atheist who is angry at God is a rebellious closet-Christian/Jew/Muslim masquerading as an Atheist.

2. Evolution has NEVER ever said humans come from monkeys.

3. Science is not perfect, but it is the only reliable tool to explain the physical world.
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khryzalids wrote:

SimplyBill wrote:
Question:
How can a person be fully recognized as an Atheist? How can we differentiate a true Atheist from a hypocritical one? Can Atheist form because of anger with "god"?

u can spot an Atheist easily cuz he/she/or it (lol..) will deny any religion
How can we differentiate a true Atheist from a hypocritical one? true, pplz=bull***
Can Atheist form because of anger with "god"? well when i was a child i was a christian but later on i realised that the bible wasnt making, how can you believe something written by men? something that poped out from nowhere and started creating things, the bible says that god created humans with his own image...why would it needs eyes? face? ears?etc? we got this shape by evolving from monkeys....well that its what i think...everybody has differents points of veiws..sciense its not perfect but give me a more plausible explanation about origin of life. i got too many reasons but i dont wanna bother u.



1. An Atheist who is angry at God is a rebellious closet-Christian/Jew/Muslim masquerading as an Atheist.

2. Evolution has NEVER ever said humans come from monkeys.

3. Science is not perfect, but it is the only reliable tool to explain the physical world.


1.aint angry of something that doest Not exist (at least that its what im thinking)

2. well if we are not descendant, fossils proves that human evolved over time.

3. ofc its not perfect, but faith cant feed ur hunger for answer, if only the bible has logic answers...

lets not discuss, we have differents points of veiws we will never agree in this topic.
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khryzalids wrote:
1.aint angry of something that doest Not exist (at least that its what im thinking)

2. well if we are not descendant, fossils proves that human evolved over time.

3. ofc its not perfect, but faith cant feed ur hunger for answer, if only the bible has logic answers...

lets not discuss, we have differents points of veiws we will never agree in this topic.


1. Exactly...which means they're not actually Atheists.

2. Monkeys are the distant cousins of humans. Fossil records proves that humans, apes, monkeys, etc are derived from common primate ancestors.

3. Science = physical world
Spirituality = non physical world


We don't exactly have different viewpoints. I was just correcting your statement because it's something creationists would jump on at an instant if they read it.

ie. Saying humans come from monkeys is one of the biggest misconceptions people have of evolution...and is something Creationists or IDers love to say.
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Hitler was a creationist

Like a creationist, Hitler asserts fixity of kinds:

The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. ii, ch. xi
Like a creationist, Hitler claims that God made man:

For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. ii, ch. x
Like a creationist, Hitler affirms that humans existed "from the very beginning", and could not have evolved from apes:

From where do we get the right to believe, that from the very beginning Man was not what he is today? Looking at Nature tells us, that in the realm of plants and animals changes and developments happen. But nowhere inside a kind shows such a development as the breadth of the jump , as Man must supposedly have made, if he has developed from an ape-like state to what he is today. - Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Tabletalk (Tischgesprache im Fuhrerhauptquartier)
Like a creationist, Hitler believes that man was made in God's image, and in the expulsion from Eden:

Whoever would dare to raise a profane hand against that highest image of God among His creatures would sin against the bountiful Creator of this marvel and would collaborate in the expulsion from Paradise. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol ii, ch. i
Like a creationist, Hitler believes that:

God ... sent [us] into this world with the commission to struggle for our daily bread. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol ii, ch. xiv
Like a creationist, Hitler claims Jesus as his inspiration:

My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them. - Adolf Hitler, speech, April 12 1922, published in My New Order
Like a creationist, Hitler despises secular schooling:

Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people. - Adolf Hitler, Speech, April 26, 1933
Like a creationist, Hitler wished to make prayer compulsory in public schools. Unlike American creationists, he succeeded.

Hitler even goes so far as to claim that Creationism is what sets humans apart from the animals:

The most marvelous proof of the superiority of Man, which puts man ahead of the animals, is the fact that he understands that there must be a Creator. - Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Tabletalk (Tischgesprache im Fuhrerhauptquartier)
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Hitler was a creationist

Like a creationist, Hitler asserts fixity of kinds:

The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. ii, ch. xi
Like a creationist, Hitler claims that God made man:

For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. ii, ch. x
Like a creationist, Hitler affirms that humans existed "from the very beginning", and could not have evolved from apes:

From where do we get the right to believe, that from the very beginning Man was not what he is today? Looking at Nature tells us, that in the realm of plants and animals changes and developments happen. But nowhere inside a kind shows such a development as the breadth of the jump , as Man must supposedly have made, if he has developed from an ape-like state to what he is today. - Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Tabletalk (Tischgesprache im Fuhrerhauptquartier)
Like a creationist, Hitler believes that man was made in God's image, and in the expulsion from Eden:

Whoever would dare to raise a profane hand against that highest image of God among His creatures would sin against the bountiful Creator of this marvel and would collaborate in the expulsion from Paradise. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol ii, ch. i
Like a creationist, Hitler believes that:

God ... sent [us] into this world with the commission to struggle for our daily bread. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol ii, ch. xiv
Like a creationist, Hitler claims Jesus as his inspiration:

My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them. - Adolf Hitler, speech, April 12 1922, published in My New Order
Like a creationist, Hitler despises secular schooling:

Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people. - Adolf Hitler, Speech, April 26, 1933
Like a creationist, Hitler wished to make prayer compulsory in public schools. Unlike American creationists, he succeeded.

Hitler even goes so far as to claim that Creationism is what sets humans apart from the animals:

The most marvelous proof of the superiority of Man, which puts man ahead of the animals, is the fact that he understands that there must be a Creator. - Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Tabletalk (Tischgesprache im Fuhrerhauptquartier)


What's the point you're trying to make?
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i'm an atheist and is happy being one.
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leviathan343 wrote:


shinto-male wrote:

Hitler was a creationist

Like a creationist, Hitler asserts fixity of kinds:

The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. ii, ch. xi
Like a creationist, Hitler claims that God made man:

For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. ii, ch. x
Like a creationist, Hitler affirms that humans existed "from the very beginning", and could not have evolved from apes:

From where do we get the right to believe, that from the very beginning Man was not what he is today? Looking at Nature tells us, that in the realm of plants and animals changes and developments happen. But nowhere inside a kind shows such a development as the breadth of the jump , as Man must supposedly have made, if he has developed from an ape-like state to what he is today. - Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Tabletalk (Tischgesprache im Fuhrerhauptquartier)
Like a creationist, Hitler believes that man was made in God's image, and in the expulsion from Eden:

Whoever would dare to raise a profane hand against that highest image of God among His creatures would sin against the bountiful Creator of this marvel and would collaborate in the expulsion from Paradise. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol ii, ch. i
Like a creationist, Hitler believes that:

God ... sent [us] into this world with the commission to struggle for our daily bread. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol ii, ch. xiv
Like a creationist, Hitler claims Jesus as his inspiration:

My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them. - Adolf Hitler, speech, April 12 1922, published in My New Order
Like a creationist, Hitler despises secular schooling:

Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people. - Adolf Hitler, Speech, April 26, 1933
Like a creationist, Hitler wished to make prayer compulsory in public schools. Unlike American creationists, he succeeded.

Hitler even goes so far as to claim that Creationism is what sets humans apart from the animals:

The most marvelous proof of the superiority of Man, which puts man ahead of the animals, is the fact that he understands that there must be a Creator. - Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Tabletalk (Tischgesprache im Fuhrerhauptquartier)


What's the point you're trying to make?


Hitler was a creationist and have similar views to the religious right in the U.S
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shinto-male wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


shinto-male wrote:

Hitler was a creationist

Like a creationist, Hitler asserts fixity of kinds:

The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. ii, ch. xi
Like a creationist, Hitler claims that God made man:

For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. ii, ch. x
Like a creationist, Hitler affirms that humans existed "from the very beginning", and could not have evolved from apes:

From where do we get the right to believe, that from the very beginning Man was not what he is today? Looking at Nature tells us, that in the realm of plants and animals changes and developments happen. But nowhere inside a kind shows such a development as the breadth of the jump , as Man must supposedly have made, if he has developed from an ape-like state to what he is today. - Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Tabletalk (Tischgesprache im Fuhrerhauptquartier)
Like a creationist, Hitler believes that man was made in God's image, and in the expulsion from Eden:

Whoever would dare to raise a profane hand against that highest image of God among His creatures would sin against the bountiful Creator of this marvel and would collaborate in the expulsion from Paradise. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol ii, ch. i
Like a creationist, Hitler believes that:

God ... sent [us] into this world with the commission to struggle for our daily bread. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol ii, ch. xiv
Like a creationist, Hitler claims Jesus as his inspiration:

My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them. - Adolf Hitler, speech, April 12 1922, published in My New Order
Like a creationist, Hitler despises secular schooling:

Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people. - Adolf Hitler, Speech, April 26, 1933
Like a creationist, Hitler wished to make prayer compulsory in public schools. Unlike American creationists, he succeeded.

Hitler even goes so far as to claim that Creationism is what sets humans apart from the animals:

The most marvelous proof of the superiority of Man, which puts man ahead of the animals, is the fact that he understands that there must be a Creator. - Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Tabletalk (Tischgesprache im Fuhrerhauptquartier)


What's the point you're trying to make?


Hitler was a creationist and have similar views to the religious right in the U.S


Of course, all his creationist views/claims were ultimately made to justify the supposed existence of a superior German race. Also, you seemed to miss the Nazi discrimination against religious groups in general.
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Atheism and so the sick joke that is called agnosticism are a cancer that seeks to undermine the core moral values of American and Christian Korean culture
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Atheism and so the sick joke that is called agnosticism are a cancer that seeks to undermine the core moral values of American and Christian Korean culture


Generally when people say things like this they know almost nothing about what they are talking about.

Define Atheism
What is Agnosticism?
Give me the definition of morality
What are values?

Is easy to type mere opinions but the point of this forum section is to back up your statements.
Someone should study ethics before uttering nonsense around here.



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shiro2142 wrote:

Atheism and so the sick joke that is called agnosticism are a cancer that seeks to undermine the core moral values of American and Christian Korean culture


Generally when people say things like this they know almost nothing about what they are talking about.

Define Atheism
What is Agnosticism?
Give me the definition of morality
What are values?

Is easy to type mere opinions but the point of this forum section is to back up your statements.
Someone should study ethics before uttering nonsense around here.






whoa whoa Im not here to do your quiz sir rather im trying to get crunchypoints so I can start my own thread.

Atheism is not believing in any doctrines of organized religion but putting their faith, an ironic word in this context, in scinetific reasoning only relying on imperical evidence on what can be solidly tested on or supported imperically, many people adhere to Darwinian theories like urvival of the fittest. The reason I call Agnosticism a sick joke is that in my opinion they are wurse than atheists in that they are lukewarm and God will spit them out, they have the gall to say they're is a higher s[iritual being yet they refuse to acknowledge the true savior despite being faced with his divince presence under their nose.

If you're such an expert give us some of your thoughts instead of just bashing others. Share your enlightened wisdom please!
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whoa whoa Im not here to do your quiz sir rather im trying to get crunchypoints so I can start my own thread.

Atheism is not believing in any doctrines of organized religion but putting their faith, an ironic word in this context, in scinetific reasoning only relying on imperical evidence on what can be solidly tested on or supported imperically, many people adhere to Darwinian theories like urvival of the fittest. The reason I call Agnosticism a sick joke is that in my opinion they are wurse than atheists in that they are lukewarm and God will spit them out, they have the gall to say they're is a higher s[iritual being yet they refuse to acknowledge the true savior despite being faced with his divince presence under their nose.

If you're such an expert give us some of your thoughts instead of just bashing others. Share your enlightened wisdom please!


You did not define Agnosticism nor morality or values, shows how much your post counts.

The many people you speak of who adhere to survival of the fittest are mainly a past generation who misinterpreted Darwin's theory.
Atheism does not involve belief.

"Atheism is not believing" like you said. That is a wrong definition. By that you are implying disbelief which is an action. While some atheist fit this, the grand majority (of actual Atheists, not wannabes) do not. Atheists are people without a belief in God. The word withouth makes a difference here. Denying something or "not believing in X thing" implies knowledge about what it is that you are being asked to affirm, in this case God.

To be without belief means the concept has no meaning or importance to you. Belief/disbelief in God is not a factor in the life of an Atheist.

Your reason for Agnosticism is nothing more than a baseless opinion.

Agnosticism is a position in regards to the existence of God, so you are missing the entire point by saying all agnostics say there is a spiritual being but refuse to acknowledge it.

here is why

There are Agnostics who are Atheistic and Agnostics who are theist.
The word lukewarm does not apply here, for Agnosticism is not a middle position between atheism and theism.
Agnosticism is not about belief is about knowledge. BIG difference, because knowledge is a separete but related issue to belief. I repeat, related to belief BUT separate.

"Obviously, if theism is a belief in a God and atheism is a lack of a belief in a God, no third position or middle ground is possible. A person can either believe or not believe in a God. Therefore, our previous definition of atheism has made an impossibility out of the common usage of agnosticism to mean “neither affirming nor denying a belief in God.” Actually, this is no great loss, because the dictionary definition of agnostic is still again different from Huxley’s definition. The literal meaning of agnostic is one who holds that some aspect of reality is unknowable. Therefore, an agnostic is not simply someone who suspends judgment on an issue, but rather one who suspends judgment because he feels that the subject is unknowable and therefore no judgment can be made. It is possible, therefore, for someone not to believe in a God (as Huxley did not) and yet still suspend judgment (ie, be an agnostic) about whether it is possible to obtain knowledge of a God. Such a person would be an atheistic agnostic. It is also possible to believe in the existence of a force behind the universe, but to hold (as did Herbert Spencer) that any knowledge of that force was unobtainable. Such a person would be a theistic agnostic."

I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I do know when to stop assuming things.
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shiro2142 wrote:

Atheism is not believing in any doctrines of organized religion but putting their faith, an ironic word in this context, in scinetific reasoning only relying on imperical evidence on what can be solidly tested on or supported imperically


How does that hurt our society at all? It is because people put their faith in their experience that we have many things that make life possible and more convenient . Without people like that, many inventions that make our lives easier and many medicines that save lives every day would not exist. Of course, not all of those people are/were atheist.

As far as morality goes, you should go see how many people in jail are religious. Not everyone needs the fear of some god punishing them to convince them to be a decent human being.
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