Then Apes and humans already different, yes?
Apes = Tress, Humans = land
The only similarities to us is just Appearance nothing more

What I could agreed is Homo Sapiens. The others....... I don't know about other homo.
But scientist named them with 'homo' because they are humans. Even they didn't have language before, but they have developed to what we could say humans now. Have more superior brains than apes.



How do you prove the evolutions is older than humans ancient beings? Could we even proven this vague matter in thousands or millions years ago?
that's just theory, and why believe in theory where there's no absolute facts about that?




I lol'd for awhile there. So this involves zookepers as well. Actually, we could refers the apes to old forest like in Amazons or somewhere else. And in the forest they do not evolve, right?



umm..... forest are filled with trees, yes? And many foods are on the top of trees(fruits)
If they really have to live in forest, they should have develop that traits to climb the trees as well...
But then, because the evolution doesn't happen to them, then they just wander in lands and climb the trees in the way humans do, not what ape does.


I see, then we shouldn't refer to religions here. Since that'd be dead end.



What 'our diet' you meant there?
And Dolphins and Ape already been exists in thousands of years but they couldn't develop their brains to our brains.
If they can they should make their own technology for make their life easier like what humans do (e.g. in transportation, plane, trains, cars)



I lol'd in this one too.
Elephants are already in that size from begin with, if they evolve from something small to that huge beings. Why the deer and little squirrel doesn't evolve to something huge like that too? Discrimination? No, because that's the way they created from begin with.
And also to balance the ecosystem and 'food chain'. Some animals are destined to be eaten by bigger animals in order to balance it, if not this nature would have been extinct from years ago

And for what reasons birds develop their wings? Why not Apes who develop their wings since their foods are in high place right?
Fish is fish, that's their place. And they would never evolve to lands creature.
I love mammoth, yes they might have thicker fur to encounter cold places. But Mammoths are different from elephants not because they have evolved from elepants.

Note : it's such a pain if you do not arrange multiple quotes carefully, I have to give them space and it spends more time. Please cut unnecessary words and arrange them nicely

That doesn't mean they surpass us right?
They do develop but not like us, Humans.

Even Dolphins, the most intelligent animals couldn't make anything for themselves with their brain.

I do believe in change of genes in animals and humans who infected by nuclear like in Japan. What I want to know is...

"Does Humans who able to make buildings, formidable weapons, and modern factory are evolved from monkeys?"




Indeed, there are many disagreements because that just mere theory not fact.



I do believe in Micro and Macroevolution, but does that occur in human's body?



I believe in evolution but not the evolution which Humans are based from monkeys.

yes, many scientist has dedicated their life for this. And? there's no fact at all. only theory and theory....
And scientists are way more smarter than common person, and even they don't have fact from the research they conducted from loong time ago until now...

lol you don't get my point. I never said the research all those scientists who worked hard for were useless. Of course it's substantial, because of it, we know how and where we came from.

What I'm trying to say is, our existence is questionable. Why are we alive? What's the reason why evolution took place in the first place?

I may be wrong but as I told you before, it was just a hunch, a childish hunch perhaps. I'm not trying to prove anything, because, I, myself, believe in Evolution more than Realism.

The prove that picture is true, please?

Lots of animals use tools, just like humans do, donphins have been known to wrap a piece of coral around their nose so when they scrounge around on the bottom for stuff, they don't scrape their noses. Chimps use sticks and rocks as tools, a chimp will take a stick and shove it into a termite nest or anthill so the ant's or termites swarm up the stick, then it eats em right off the stick. That's using a tool, something they made with their brain.

Yeah, that'd called instinct and probably that instinct is from their brain as well.
But does that mean they could eventually surpass human?

I don't think they would evolve to something more superior than humans and conquer the world as well..

Actually other apes are very similar to us genetically. We only have about a 2% difference of genes from them, which is also evidence that we are related to them evolutionarily.




Fossil records and other forms of dating, such as carbon-dating and analyzing the positions of fossils and artifacts in Earth's layers (I forget the technical name for that)





We can't prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt, but we can form a decent explanation based on evidence we find. Few things (if anything) in this world that occurred before humans began keeping records are absolute facts. We accept the theory because there is a lot of evidence that supports it and little or none that completely refutes it.




Depending on where you look, apes in the forest may or not be evolving. It is generally accepted among people who accept evolution that all organisms are constantly evolving since environments are always changing, so organisms have to change with them and adapt.




I don't know what you meant by this. I already explained that apes in the wild did develop traits to climb trees more effectively. Are you talking about humans that live in forests?



The food that we eat makes up our diet. It is possible that early humans ate certain foods that had nutrients to increase their brain size and activity.




They are already pretty smart, but they may not have the genes that allow their brains to develop the same way that ours do. Or they might not have enough room in their brain cases. But dolphins and some apes can be trained to do a lot of things that are seemingly beyond the understanding of other animals, like understand human language and solve problems that require a high level of reasoning skills.



Earlier you said that we should leave religion out of this, but you just brought it in by saying that they were created. This is why I said you may not be able to fully understand how evolution works, because you tend to look at this from a religious perspective (i.e everything was created the way it is). Elephants became big to avoid predators because they had the genes that allowed them to become that size. Deer and squirrels don't have genes that allow them to become large, but they have genes that allow them to avoid predators in other ways.





Because, again, apes didn't have genes that allowed them to develop wings, but they had genes to allow them to climb trees in other ways.



If you're going to adhere to your religious belief so strongly, why bother trying to understand evolution since it contradicts your belief?




I don't know exactly what you mean, but I tried spacing them out more to make it easier.



I guess I have to explain theories and the purpose of science of you.

Science is not and does not claim to be absolute, unquestionable fact. Science is a pursuit of knowledge, and during that pursuit old knowledge is constantly changed or removed as new knowledge is gained. Scientific theories are based on knowledge that we currently have, so currently they are as true as they can possibly be because we do not know of anything that proves them false. When or if we discover something that proves the theory false, then we will remove or edit the theory to fit along with the new discovery.

So yes you're right that science is just a bunch of theories, but current theories are as close to fact as they can possibly be. We can never know if anything is 100% true unless we know everything, and that is impossible.

Cuddlebuns, I admire your sheer endurance in responding to that. I would be too tempted to start mocking.

Thanks, your quotes are better than the previous one.



Is that from scientist? Yes, we are similar genetically, that's why we have similar appearance with them.
But I doubt humans are from monkeys.



Yeah, we could estimate the fossils and artifacts. But ho do you compare that when you don't know the exact date when the 'Missing Link' happened?


Agreed for the way humans accept theory. But this matter is too vague, where and when is the missing links to prove that?



I really do BELIEVE in evolution in certain ways like those in animals. From the very small parts to be a big creature, like from plankton to sea creature, perhaps?
What I couldn't accept is the evolution from Monkeys(animals) to Humans.
What kind of adaptation Monkeys has to gone through to be like humans?


Yes, I refer to the humans who live in forest. Could it be they evolve to monkeys again to make them easier climb the trees?



What kind of foods that could develop a creature to make their nuclear? If the other animals eat those food too. Then their brains should be develop in the way what humans should be. Since they ate same foods, no?



Then how come only Apes who have this privilege to develop become humans like us?
In the nature there are millions ans millions species out there. And there's only one species to have this development?



I never said religion stuff or something related, I just said they were created.
I do believe in evolutions, but evolution that states Humans are from Monkeys?

Yeah, Animals have different genes. But why only Monkeys have this kind of genes who could make them developed into humans?




No, I didn't. I just stated the obvious fact. Fish lives in sea.... that's all..






Then why you strongly believe in this bunch of theories, especially in this vague matter. Monkeys and Humans...

Well I don't have much else to do right now, and I don't feel the need to mock him/her since they seem like a nice person. I only feel the need to mock assholes, and even then it's more fun to kill them with kindness.

We just share our knowledge on common topic in common forum. Why we have to mocking?

That's not called instinct, that's called intelligence. They either figure out how to do that on their own, learn by watching another chimp do it(observation), or learn through trial and error, figuring out what works and what doesn't, exactly like a human would learn how to do that. Instinct is different, every animal including humans have and use instinct. Put your hand on something hot, you pull it back, that's instinct, jump out of the way of a falling or moving object to avoid being crushed / hit/ impaled, instinct, looking in the direction of a sound you hear, instinct, and so on. It'd different from intelligence.

Nah, they probably won't surpass human, not in our lifetimes anyway, might eventually if left to their own tho, or at least get an equal intelligence over millions of years. But to be honest, i doubt humans would allow that, if humans saw a species evolving into something with comparable intelligence, we'd probably kill it and/or the entire species. So I doubt anything else will dominate the world anytime soon.

By chimp, you meant... Chimpanzee? Yeah, they're smarter than other animals, probably. But they couldn't surpass us in millions years even they already trained.

Yes, those examples are instinct if you refer to humans.
But in animals, they have instinct to live, gather food and protect their own kind.



lolwut?
As I said before, humans are arrogant beings. They want to conquer the entire world, it's animals, it's nature.
That's why humans should repair this or the Great Nature would destroys them