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Ryutai-Desk wrote: By chimp, you meant... Chimpanzee? Yeah, they're smarter than other animals, probably. But they couldn't surpass us in millions years even they already trained. Yes, those examples are instinct if you refer to humans. But in animals, they have instinct to live, gather food and protect their own kind. Humans have all that as well, humans rely upon instinct more often then most people realize. But if chimpanzees, evolve any further, and if left to their own, and allowed to evolve in peace, they might gain an equal intelligence as man, or a greater intelligence, or they might not, I suppose it is possible, evolution doesn't happen overnight, so if it does happen, its not going to happen in our lifetimes. |
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Ryutai-Desk Is that from scientist? Yes, we are similar genetically, that's why we have similar appearance with them. But I doubt humans are from monkeys. Well it's not exactly from a scientist, but from my various teachers who are pretty much qualified to become scientists. We didn't come from a monkey, we came from an animal that was somewhere between monkey and human, and some of those creatures went off to become monkeys while others went off to become humans. Yeah, we could estimate the fossils and artifacts. But ho do you compare that when you don't know the exact date when the 'Missing Link' happened? We don't need the exact date, and we will probably never know it. But we can estimate that it occurred within a certain time period. It is impossible that we will ever find enough fossils to clearly distinguish the exact day the first human was born. Agreed for the way humans accept theory. But this matter is too vague, where and when is the missing links to prove that? As far as I know there is no concrete fossil evidence that we evolved from other apes. But, again, there is a lot of evidence to support it, and there are no other better explanations, and there is little or no evidence that disproves it. There is always the chance that we may be wrong, but as of now there is nothing that shows us that we are wrong. I really do BELIEVE in evolution in certain ways like those in animals. From the very small parts to be a big creature, like from plankton to sea creature, perhaps? So why can a tiny microscopic creature like a plankton evolve into a large sea animal, but a monkey-like creature with human traits cannot evolve into a human? What I couldn't accept is the evolution from Monkeys(animals) to Humans. What kind of adaptation Monkeys has to gone through to be like humans? I've already explained this several times. It may be my fault since I've been incorrectly using the word "monkey" to keep things simple, but we didn't evolve from monkeys, we evolved from something that had the traits of a monkey and the traits of a human. Some of them became humans and some of them became monkeys through natural selection. Yes, I refer to the humans who live in forest. Could it be they evolve to monkeys again to make them easier climb the trees? Since they are modern humans they use their intelligence to adapt to forests, so they don't need to have monkey-like traits to live there. The earliest humans were not much smarter than other apes, so they would not have been smart enough to farm and gather food from plants on the ground, or create weapons to kill other animals and fight off predators, or create a network of paths so that they could move through the forest easier, and they would have died really quickly (depending on where they are). But modern humans know how to do these things, so they don't have to be like monkeys to live there. What kind of foods that could develop a creature to make their nuclear? If the other animals eat those food too. Then their brains should be develop in the way what humans should be. Since they ate same foods, no? I don't know exactly what foods promote brain growth (I think nuts and fish) but I do know that other animals ate them too. But their brains couldn't grow like ours because their brain cases weren't as large and/or they didn't have the genes that allow their brains to perform complex functions like reasoning. Then how come only Apes who have this privilege to develop become humans like us? In the nature there are millions ans millions species out there. And there's only one species to have this development? Many of those millions of species have traits that only their species has, humans aren't the only ones with a unique traits. Humans evolved from another ape because apes are the most similar to us. I never said religion stuff or something related, I just said they were created. I do believe in evolutions, but evolution that states Humans are from Monkeys? You said something like "they didn't change from something else, they were created that way," which is a religious concept. What makes you think that humans are the only animal that has never evolved? Yeah, Animals have different genes. But why only Monkeys have this kind of genes who could make them developed into humans? This is a matter of beliefs. To me it's just because of random chance, to others there could be some great creator that influenced it to be that way. No, I didn't. I just stated the obvious fact. Fish lives in sea.... that's all.. And you also said that fish could have never evolved into land animals, even though that is one scientific theory as to how land animals came to be. Then why you strongly believe in this bunch of theories, especially in this vague matter. Monkeys and Humans... Well since I don't believe that any sort of higher power created everything, I believe in the naturalistic scientific explanations because I don't believe that anything in our universe exists beyond nature, and since science is the best (and arguably the only) method of explaining how nature works then I adhere to it. I don't expect absolute facts because the only way for something to be absolute is if we know every single thing about it, and when it comes to something as grand and mysterious as nature and it's history, that is impossible. "Only a foolish man thinks he knows everything, a wise man realizes that he knows nothing." I think Gautama Buddha said that, but either way I still empathize with this quote, because if I feel like I know the answer beyond a doubt, then I won't be able to learn anything new because I'll think I already know everything. That is why I have faith in science, because it doesn't claim to be absolute knowledge, only the pursuit of knowledge. |
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Allhailodin wrote: Ryutai-Desk wrote: By chimp, you meant... Chimpanzee? Yeah, they're smarter than other animals, probably. But they couldn't surpass us in millions years even they already trained. Yes, those examples are instinct if you refer to humans. But in animals, they have instinct to live, gather food and protect their own kind. Humans have all that as well, humans rely upon instinct more often then most people realize. But if chimpanzees, evolve any further, and if left to their own, and allowed to evolve in peace, they might gain an equal intelligence as man, or a greater intelligence, or they might not, I suppose it is possible, evolution doesn't happen overnight, so if it does happen, its not going to happen in our lifetimes. In certain parts of the world, Monkeys, Apes, Gorillas and Chimpanzees are been left to their own and they live in peace. Refers to Amazons, south Africa, South-East Asian countries such in Indonesia, called Kalimantans Islands which is the origins of Orangutan. I believe in those areas, especially in Huge Amazon forest. They already live in peace in thousands years or more. But did they evolve to intelligent creatures like humans? |
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Ryutai-Desk wrote: Allhailodin wrote: Ryutai-Desk wrote: By chimp, you meant... Chimpanzee? Yeah, they're smarter than other animals, probably. But they couldn't surpass us in millions years even they already trained. Yes, those examples are instinct if you refer to humans. But in animals, they have instinct to live, gather food and protect their own kind. Humans have all that as well, humans rely upon instinct more often then most people realize. But if chimpanzees, evolve any further, and if left to their own, and allowed to evolve in peace, they might gain an equal intelligence as man, or a greater intelligence, or they might not, I suppose it is possible, evolution doesn't happen overnight, so if it does happen, its not going to happen in our lifetimes. In certain parts of the world, Monkeys, Apes, Gorillas and Chimpanzees are been left to their own and they live in peace. Refers to Amazons, south Africa, South-East Asian countries such in Indonesia, called Kalimantans Islands which is the origins of Orangutan. I believe in those areas, especially in Huge Amazon forest. They already live in peace in thousands years or more. But did they evolve to intelligent creatures like humans? how about a show On the Evolution of whales. That go back to wen there four legged animals. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2C-3PjNGok also this,, This one you really need to watch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4 |
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Ryutai-Desk wrote: Allhailodin wrote: Ryutai-Desk wrote: By chimp, you meant... Chimpanzee? Yeah, they're smarter than other animals, probably. But they couldn't surpass us in millions years even they already trained. Yes, those examples are instinct if you refer to humans. But in animals, they have instinct to live, gather food and protect their own kind. Humans have all that as well, humans rely upon instinct more often then most people realize. But if chimpanzees, evolve any further, and if left to their own, and allowed to evolve in peace, they might gain an equal intelligence as man, or a greater intelligence, or they might not, I suppose it is possible, evolution doesn't happen overnight, so if it does happen, its not going to happen in our lifetimes. In certain parts of the world, Monkeys, Apes, Gorillas and Chimpanzees are been left to their own and they live in peace. Refers to Amazons, south Africa, South-East Asian countries such in Indonesia, called Kalimantans Islands which is the origins of Orangutan. I believe in those areas, especially in Huge Amazon forest. They already live in peace in thousands years or more. But did they evolve to intelligent creatures like humans? Chimps are intelligent animals, In general most apes are intelligent, and i'd say all of the great apes(humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangtans) are intelligent. So i'd say, yeah, they evolved into intelligent animals. |
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Allhailodin wrote: Ryutai-Desk wrote: In certain parts of the world, Monkeys, Apes, Gorillas and Chimpanzees are been left to their own and they live in peace. Refers to Amazons, south Africa, South-East Asian countries such in Indonesia, called Kalimantans Islands which is the origins of Orangutan. I believe in those areas, especially in Huge Amazon forest. They already live in peace in thousands years or more. But did they evolve to intelligent creatures like humans? Chimps are intelligent animals, In general most apes are intelligent, and i'd say all of the great apes(humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangtans) are intelligent. So i'd say, yeah, they evolved into intelligent animals. That doesn't mean they'd evolve to humans right? |
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Ryutai-Desk wrote: Allhailodin wrote: Ryutai-Desk wrote: In certain parts of the world, Monkeys, Apes, Gorillas and Chimpanzees are been left to their own and they live in peace. Refers to Amazons, south Africa, South-East Asian countries such in Indonesia, called Kalimantans Islands which is the origins of Orangutan. I believe in those areas, especially in Huge Amazon forest. They already live in peace in thousands years or more. But did they evolve to intelligent creatures like humans? Chimps are intelligent animals, In general most apes are intelligent, and i'd say all of the great apes(humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangtans) are intelligent. So i'd say, yeah, they evolved into intelligent animals. That doesn't mean they'd evolve to humans right? Chimps nore any other Ape did not evolve to human.. I gave you that chart to show How many forms they had to evolve into before becoming human, so many ape looking human forms even. Do you wanna see what we came from? The mother of both us and Modern apes. the link that links Humans, to apes! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52eidHJyDec there you go.. also watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4 |
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Well it's not exactly from a scientist, but from my various teachers who are pretty much qualified to become scientists. We didn't come from a monkey, we came from an animal that was somewhere between monkey and human, and some of those creatures went off to become monkeys while others went off to become humans. And what animals you meant? Missing links? We don't need the exact date, and we will probably never know it. But we can estimate that it occurred within a certain time period. It is impossible that we will ever find enough fossils to clearly distinguish the exact day the first human was born. Then the research would have been mislead or wrong if they don't have the exact date. And that'd be their mere assumption. As far as I know there is no concrete fossil evidence that we evolved from other apes. But, again, there is a lot of evidence to support it, and there are no other better explanations, and there is little or no evidence that disproves it. There is always the chance that we may be wrong, but as of now there is nothing that shows us that we are wrong. umm.... you have the evidence like you said in this evolution? So why can a tiny microscopic creature like a plankton evolve into a large sea animal, but a monkey-like creature with human traits cannot evolve into a human? It just like you said, adaptation due to environments. Also, I didn't say they able to evolve into a large sea animals, just to fish maybe? This is the big difference. We are humans, those are sea animals from plankton, basically they only evolved to something bigger, yes? But we as humans, really have big differences to monkeys. We have better brain than what monkey has. We able to create cars, plane, etc.... But no way monkeys can do that. I've already explained this several times. It may be my fault since I've been incorrectly using the word "monkey" to keep things simple, but we didn't evolve from monkeys, we evolved from something that had the traits of a monkey and the traits of a human. Some of them became humans and some of them became monkeys through natural selection. What kind of natural selection to differ between those who'll become a human with complete brains and those who became monkeys? Since they are modern humans they use their intelligence to adapt to forests, so they don't need to have monkey-like traits to live there. The earliest humans were not much smarter than other apes, so they would not have been smart enough to farm and gather food from plants on the ground, or create weapons to kill other animals and fight off predators, or create a network of paths so that they could move through the forest easier, and they would have died really quickly (depending on where they are). But modern humans know how to do these things, so they don't have to be like monkeys to live there. That's true. But how about ethnic people in deep forest of amazons or those in Africa. They don't have such knowledge to do that right? because they don't know how to make paths or any modern tech, they why they don't evolve to new creature to get their foods? I don't know exactly what foods promote brain growth (I think nuts and fish) but I do know that other animals ate them too. But their brains couldn't grow like ours because their brain cases weren't as large and/or they didn't have the genes that allow their brains to perform complex functions like reasoning. Why only Apes who can grow their brains to became a humans? Many of those millions of species have traits that only their species has, humans aren't the only ones with a unique traits. Humans evolved from another ape because apes are the most similar to us. If you say so, then the other animals should get their own evolution right? Like birds or whale, they have proper traits to live in the water or fly in the sky. Why they couldn't evolve to.... something like humans which has wings and lungs? You said something like "they didn't change from something else, they were created that way," which is a religious concept. What makes you think that humans are the only animal that has never evolved? I didn't know that saying is religious concept, pardon me. What makes you think that humans are evolved from monkeys? This is a matter of beliefs. To me it's just because of random chance, to others there could be some great creator that influenced it to be that way. So, some random chance could make this incident bigger than expected. This random chance you said is the major change in this planet. Which could be the revival or the end of the world if some random chance might occurred. like Big Bang in the core of our planet? Then why you strongly believe in this bunch of theories, especially in this vague matter. Monkeys and Humans... Well since I don't believe that any sort of higher power created everything, I believe in the naturalistic scientific explanations because I don't believe that anything in our universe exists beyond nature, and since science is the best (and arguably the only) method of explaining how nature works then I adhere to it. I don't expect absolute facts because the only way for something to be absolute is if we know every single thing about it, and when it comes to something as grand and mysterious as nature and it's history, that is impossible. "Only a foolish man thinks he knows everything, a wise man realizes that he knows nothing." I think Gautama Buddha said that, but either way I still empathize with this quote, because if I feel like I know the answer beyond a doubt, then I won't be able to learn anything new because I'll think I already know everything. That is why I have faith in science, because it doesn't claim to be absolute knowledge, only the pursuit of knowledge. Then why you believe in this unproven knowledge which doesn't have fact? Yes, this is the pursuit of knowledge but there's no fact. Then you'd claims the truth beyond theory. "A persons who claims he knows the truth of this universe is the biggest liar in the world" I think Mahatma Gandhi said this. By believing this vague matter is true without any facts at all, is a irresponsible. |
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote: Chimps nore any other Ape did not evolve to human.. I gave you that chart to show How many forms they had to evolve into before becoming human, so many ape looking human forms even. Do you wanna see what we came from? The mother of both us and Modern apes. the link that links Humans, to apes! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52eidHJyDec there you go.. also watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4 You made me watch certain videos. And yeah I DO BELIEVE IN CERTAIN ANIMALS EVOLUTION. What I cannot believe is HUMANS ARE EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS.. that's it Any more videos which doesn't contain non-sense to prove Humans are from Monkeys? |
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Nope, just means they'd evolve into super intelligent chimpanzees, although if they kept evolving they might evolve into something entirely new, happens. |
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Ryutai-Desk wrote: Darkphoenix3450 wrote: Chimps nore any other Ape did not evolve to human.. I gave you that chart to show How many forms they had to evolve into before becoming human, so many ape looking human forms even. Do you wanna see what we came from? The mother of both us and Modern apes. the link that links Humans, to apes! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52eidHJyDec there you go.. also watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4 You made me watch certain videos. And yeah I DO BELIEVE IN CERTAIN ANIMALS EVOLUTION. What I cannot believe is HUMANS ARE EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS.. that's it Any more videos which doesn't contain non-sense to prove Humans are from Monkeys? The first video shows what we came from, that is a great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandmother, or grandpops. 2nd explains evolution and how there is nothing that is living that does not evolve. that includes humans. we are part of the same tree that links all things. Including fish and funges. |
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote: Ryutai-Desk wrote: Darkphoenix3450 wrote: Chimps nore any other Ape did not evolve to human.. I gave you that chart to show How many forms they had to evolve into before becoming human, so many ape looking human forms even. Do you wanna see what we came from? The mother of both us and Modern apes. the link that links Humans, to apes! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52eidHJyDec there you go.. also watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4 You made me watch certain videos. And yeah I DO BELIEVE IN CERTAIN ANIMALS EVOLUTION. What I cannot believe is HUMANS ARE EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS.. that's it Any more videos which doesn't contain non-sense to prove Humans are from Monkeys? The first video shows what we came from, that is a great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandmother, or grandpops. 2nd explains evolution and how there is nothing that is living that does not evolve. that includes humans. we are part of the same tree that links all things. Including fish and funges. I've watched the videos, but where's the evidence? And could you say it here without refers to videos..... It wasting time |
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Allhailodin wrote: Nope, just means they'd evolve into super intelligent chimpanzees, although if they kept evolving they might evolve into something entirely new, happens. That was my point. Only evolve to certain beings but without major development. If they can evolve into entirely new, how they do that? |
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