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This is a general thread on transplanting organs so any issue on it can be posted. (Discussion/posts on issues are encouraged) ..

Transplanting organs from patients whose hearts have stopped, or cardiac-death donations, began to go out of vogue in the late 1960s and early ’70s after medical advances like life support and subsequent changes in the legal definition of death made donations from those declared brain dead more efficient. But health officials have encouraged cardiac-death donations in recent years. There were 670 cardiac-death donations through the first nine months of 2007, the most in any year this decade, according to the United Network for Organ Sharing, which oversees organ allocation. Over the same period, there were 12,553 brain-dead donations, according to the network.

In brain-death donations, the donor is legally dead, but machines keep the organs viable by machines. In cardiac-death donations, after the patient’s ventilator is removed, the heart slows. Once it stops, brain function ceases. Most donor protocols call for a five-minute delay before the patient is declared dead. Transplant teams are not allowed in the room of the potential donor before that. . . .

http://www.clearharmony.net/articles/200701/37330.html

Since July 1999, the gang of Jiang Zemin and Luo Gan, using their positions in the Chinese Communist regime, have acted as a substitute for the law, comprehensively persecuting Falun Gong practitioners. Falun Gong practitioners are branded by the Chinese Communist regime as a "class enemy" just because they believe in "Truthfulness, Compassion, Forbearance," and have suffered the most brutal persecution. Since 2000, the Chinese Communist regime has systematically harvested Falun Gong practitioners’ body organs on a large scale, thus resulting in China quickly becoming the foremost international organ transplant centre. Numerous innocent people’s lives have been taken for profit.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/background_briefings/the_bristol_heart_babies/455738.stm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,325107,00.html

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=10696



Americans don't like the idea of mixing money and body parts

Need extra livers hearts or kidneys to transplant because the demand is greater than the supply? The answer, say proponents, is simple. Put a price on kidneys and livers and people will be falling all over one another to sell them. Set the price high enough and hordes will amble into hospitals, sign binding agreements to let themselves be sawed into transplantable bits for cash upon their demise, the thinking goes.


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Black marketing organs is unacceptable but seems very complicated. If a heart was removed from a corpse without consenting the family and is implanted into another person how can someone take that back.

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That's kinda creepy. Someone else's organs within your own..
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I don't find it creepy, only a necessity at times.

One thing that is a tad strange is that persons that have gotten transplanted organs, often change. For instance; pre-transplanted: hate blueberry pie _~_ post-transplanted: loves blueberry pie

Later it's been discovered that the person that gave the organ, liked/disliked X product, which now the new owner of the organ now feels the same.
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Well transplants save lifes, and give ppl second chances. Would you not give someone a second chance of your days ran out?
We are lords and masters of our bodies and we can decide if we want to or not donate, but what would be the point of not helping ppl if you know that at the end you have to endings with you material body, cremated or rotting in a wooden box 6 feet under dirt.
I already signed a consent for my organ to be used for trasnplants, its the least i can do for someone in these dark days we are living.
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I think transplanting isnt that bad. But selling it like a piece of meat is. I have nothing against organ transplant... its a pretty good idea though some people would rather keep their body in tact even if they die. The people living in the current society makes this choice wether they give other people another chance.
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Since July 1999, the gang of Jiang Zemin and Luo Gan, using their positions in the Chinese Communist regime, have acted as a substitute for the law, comprehensively persecuting Falun Gong practitioners. Falun Gong practitioners are branded by the Chinese Communist regime as a "class enemy" just because they believe in "Truthfulness, Compassion, Forbearance," and have suffered the most brutal persecution. Since 2000, the Chinese Communist regime has systematically harvested Falun Gong practitioners’ body organs on a large scale, thus resulting in China quickly becoming the foremost international organ transplant centre. Numerous innocent people’s lives have been taken for profit.


Before another person starts bashing China again, please use more than one source to prove that the CCP has been doing these things. It's rude to accuse people when you do not have sufficient evidence.
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Since July 1999, the gang of Jiang Zemin and Luo Gan, using their positions in the Chinese Communist regime, have acted as a substitute for the law, comprehensively persecuting Falun Gong practitioners. Falun Gong practitioners are branded by the Chinese Communist regime as a "class enemy" just because they believe in "Truthfulness, Compassion, Forbearance," and have suffered the most brutal persecution. Since 2000, the Chinese Communist regime has systematically harvested Falun Gong practitioners’ body organs on a large scale, thus resulting in China quickly becoming the foremost international organ transplant centre. Numerous innocent people’s lives have been taken for profit.


Before another person starts bashing China again, please use more than one source to prove that the CCP has been doing these things. It's rude to accuse people when you do not have sufficient evidence.



http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/special_column/organ_harvesting.htm
The Villainous Clique of Jiang Zemin and Luo Gan Practice Violent [State] Terrorism And The Defamation against Falun Gong Escalates

By Independent Reporter Zheng Yanxiong
http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2008/7/10/98845.html

(Clearwisdom.net)

According to some well-informed figures from inside the Chinese Government, recently the Jiang [Zemin] and Luo [Gan] Clique have held a series of internal meetings to label Falun Gong as a "terrorist organization." It would be the latest accusation since [Jiang] launched the persecution against Falun Gong two and a half years ago. This latest accusation followed many previous government-imposed charges, including "feudalism superstition," "pseudo-science," "evil xx" [Jiang Zemin's slanderous term omitted] and "reactionary organization." Some observers said the latest label was a signal that the past persecution had been seriously baffled. Jiang Zemin made Falun Gong his own enemy. So the previous charges had already lost their influences among the masses. This time's defamation escalation indicated Jiang is still trying to carry the persecution through to the end at any cost...

It was confirmed by some governmental officials that the police abuse had tortured over one thousand practitioners to death during the past two years and a half. Thus, the actual deaths went far beyond the current disclosed 293 death cases.

During the two weeks before the Chinese National Day, over twenty practitioners died under the police custody or imprisonment. For almost every case, the police claimed that it was a "suicide" or a "natural death." An even more savage case occurred on September 19 when the Liaoning Province local police beat Falun Gong Practitioner Yu Xiuling to the verge of death, they then threw Yu out of the window from the fourth floor. Yu dropped to the ground and died. The cops then claimed Yu committed suicide and threatened her family when they tried to find out the true cause of her death, "It's an instruction from the higher authorities that nothing is excessive when persecuting Falun Gong." "No responsibility will be taken when beating Falun Gong practitioners to death." "Falun Gong practitioners beaten to death will be documented as suicide cases." All these bloody instructions came from the "610 office" (an agency specifically created to persecute Falun Gong, with absolute power over each level of administration in the Party and all other political and judiciary systems) headed by Luo Gan. These instructions became open secrets all over the country around detention centers, police stations and political and judiciary system. The police often casually quoted these instructions when they tortured practitioners.

Some recent messages from Changchun City of Jilin Province as well as from some other places all indicated that communities around the country have secretly started to gather complete information of practitioners in their areas and they secretly tried to get practitioners' fingerprints from both hands. The "610 Office" system headed by Luo Gan has issued a secret command to arrest and brainwash all practitioners that haven't been "reformed." The command targeted those practitioners that lost their homes or left their homes, those that refused the brainwashing, those that started to practice Falun Gong again and those that haven't clearly stated to give up the practice. They implemented a "policy" called "life imprisonment until death" for all practitioners that refused to give up practicing Falun Gong. It's believed that this policy has seriously disrupted the normal life of hundreds of millions of people, including the families of Falun Gong practitioners. And the policy has directly jeopardized the lives of the tens of millions of Falun Gong practitioners.

At the UN Sub-Commission on the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights on August 14, 2001, International Education Development (IED) condemned the "state-sanctioned terrorism" by Jiang Zemin's regime, "State terrorism in the form of government terror against its own people - produces far more gross violations of human rights than any other form of terrorism... Such is the case in China with the regime's violent assault on practitioners of Falun Gong."

The Canadian Liberal MP Yvon Charbonneau deemed Chinese [party name omitted] Party's persecution against Falun Gong as a state-terrorism. He said at a press conference, "I consider that this form of terrorism practiced against Falun Gong practitioners in China is no more acceptable than any other form of terrorism."

The observers commented that Jiang Zemin's regime chose to intensify the suppression [on Falun Gong] now because they thought the American government currently had no time to pay attention to China's human rights issues after the September 11 terrorist attacks.

According to international media reports, on October 1, practitioners from different countries around the world went to appeal to the Chinese Embassies or Consulates in their local areas and held press conferences to condemn Jiang regime's inhumane persecution against Falun Gong. Practitioners requested to "dismantle the 610 Office and bring Luo Gan to justice." Practitioners also called for help from all kind-hearted people around the world to join Falun Gong practitioners to stop Jiang's "terrorism crimes" and to urgently rescue the practitioners suffering the brutal persecution in China.

Regarding the accusation of "terrorist organization," practitioners from New York said at an interview that the charge is "absurd." Jiang Zemin and his associates are simply trying to "shirk their responsibility to innocent people."



Posting date: 10/18/2001
Original article date: 10/11/2001
Category: News & Media Reports
Translated on 10/14/2001
Chinese version available at http://minghui.cc/mh/articles/2001/10/11/17841.html



Atrocious Surgical Mass Murder Charged China’s Trade in Falun Gong Body Parts

CounterPunch, Oct 1-15, 2006, VOL 13, No.17

By Larry Lack

It’s no secret that China’s government has been conducing a national propa- ganda and police campaign, marked by mass arrests and widespread torture, against the movement known as Falun Gong.

It’s also no secret that for at least a decade the internal organs of convicts executed in China have been “harvested” by surgical teams and sold to transplant patients, many of them foreigners who travel to China for organ transplant operations.

A report published this July in Canada reveals that over the past five or six years China’s thriving transplant trade has come to rely heavily on another source of human organs than those executed as criminals. This second source is the bodies of Falun Gong devotees, thousands of whom are held in secret prisons throughout China for practising their religion.

In their Report Into Allegations of Organ Harvesting of Falun Gong Practitioners in China, Canadian immigration lawyer David Matas and David Kilgour, a former member of Canada’s Parliament who is also a lawyer, present a rigorous and convincing indictment of China’s lucrative illicit trade in human body parts. Their report implicates hundreds, and possibly thousands of Chinese officials in the illegal confinement and commercial slaughter of a group of Chinese citizens whose only “crime” was their involvement with a nonviolent spiritual movement, which the Beijing government is attempting, by its own account, to “eradicate”.

Months of research, including interviews with Chinese doctors and officials and with Falun Gong survivors, refugees and exiles, brought Kilgour and Matas to a terrible conclusion. “The allegations here”, they write, “ are so shocking that they are almost impossible to believe”. But the wealth of carefully corroborated evidence compiled in their report effectively supports their finding that “there has been and continues today to be large scale organ seizures from unwilling Falun Gong practitioners.”

The Kilgour/Matas report combines eyewitness accounts with a wealth of supporting evidence suggesting that beginning in 2000 or 2001 Chinese doctors, hospitals and penal authorities have collected and sold thousands of corneas, hearts, livers, kidneys, skin and other organs removed from living Falun Gong prisoners. And this illicit industry, Kilgour and Matas believe, is probably still murdering and dismembering imprisoned Falun Gong “donors” and selling their organs to well-heeled clients/patients, some of whom opt for surgery in China specifically because they want organs from healthy, living donors rather than from brain-dead patients.

Kilgour and Matas, who are not Falun Gong practitioners, interviewed informants in China and exiled Falun Gong practitioners in several other countries and gleaned information from Chinese hospital and organ transplant websites. Their report includes appendices of carefully footnoted information on China’s campaign to crush the Falun Gong, quoted from the Falun Gong website as well as from official sources in China and human rights groups and media outside China. The wealth of statistical data and information in these appendices verifies the scope and extreme brutality of China’s ongoing campaign to demonize and destroy the Falun Gong and strengthens the report’s central conclusion that Falun Gong practitioners have been and are being killed so their organs can be sold for profit. It also confirms the Kilgour-Matas report’s conclusions regarding the complicity of large numbers of Chinese medical professionals, army and court officials in the organ trade, and the trade’s market-driven preference for selectively excising the organs of healthy Falun Gong practitioners, especially men in their thirties.

Falun Gong sources claim that about a hundred thousand of the movement’s followers have been imprisoned for alleged subversion or other crimes against the state, that a similar number have been sent to forced labor camps, and that a large but unknown number of practitioners have disappeared. They also claim that some arrested Falun Gong disciples have been sent to psychiatric hospitals where they have been injected with experimental psychotropic drugs, nerve poisons, and drugs or chemicals that cause recurring and excruciating pain. The Clearvision Net website of the Falun Gong recently stated that “According to incomplete statistics, within the past (seven) years beginning on July 20, 1999, more than 2,898 practitioners have been verified as having been tortured to death in over 30 provinces, autonomous regions and municipalities.”

In the atmosphere of official secrecy, denial and repression that shrouds contemporary politics in China, reliable numbers, documentation and other smoking gun evidence are often hard to find. Despite these obstacles, Kilgour and Matas’ lawyerly insistence on multiple corroborating sources lends credence to their claim that thousands of arrested Falun Gong practitioners have been and probably still are warehoused in secret detention centers so their organs can be sold as transplant customers arrive.

According to the Kilgour-Matas report’s sources, after their arrival at the detention centers, some of which are located underground in the vicinity of hospitals or ordinary prisons, Falun Gong detainees are subjected to prolonged physical examination. Released and exiled former Falun Gong prisoners have reported that since most of them had previously experienced beatings and other severe mistreatment at the hands of their keepers this sudden interest in their health, often including whole body X-rays, electrocardiograms, heart, liver and kidney checks, eye examinations, and ultrasound assessments, was both surprising and unnerving.

Samples of the Falun Gong prisoners’ blood are drawn, forcibly if they resist, and over time they came to understand why this is so important, for organ transplant recipients and donors must share the same blood type.

When detention centers are notified that certain organs are required by hospitals and transplant clinics, prisoners whose blood types match those of waiting patients/customers are taken from their cells to operating rooms. There, according to an informant who worked as an administrator at a hospital where, she reported, her former husband, a neurosurgeon, removed corneas from approximately 2,000 Falun Gong victims, the prisoners are initially injected with a drug that stops the heart. Various organs are then removed in sequence by a team of surgeons working in separate rooms. To maximize profits, a computer network determines which organs are required for waiting customers. According to several of the report’s informants, once all of the victims’ readily salable parts have been removed, the pillaged corpses are incinerated in hospital boiler rooms to eliminate physical evidence of the operations. The extracted organs are shipped to transplant centers where other doctors implant them.
With its roots in Buddhism and Tao- ism, Falun Gong combines meditation with controlled breathing and other exercises somewhat similar to those practiced in yoga and Tai Chi. Founded in 1993, Falun Gong gained followers rapidly until 1999 when the Chinese government banned the movement, declaring it to be an “evil cult.” Since then human rights organizations, foreign media, and some government agencies, including the U.S. Department of State, have confirmed that Falun Gong has been the object of an increasingly violent, government-directed propaganda and hate campaign that has included close to a million arrests, bloody beatings, torture on a massive scale, and many targeted killings. Some of those arrested are held without charges, while others are charged with subversion and various other crimes against the state. Some have been subjected to highly publicized show trials, and many others have simply vanished, imprisoned and cut off from contacts with their families in a vast network of secret prisons, “re-education” and forced labor camps.

Partly because of the deep seated antipathy of the ruling Chinese Communist Party to any belief or activity with a spiritual dimension, and partly because Falun Gong, an unsanctioned spiritual movement, had attracted thousands of followers, the ruling party has put a high priority on its effort to stigmatize and destroy the movement not only as an allegedly dangerous cult, but also as a treasonous criminal conspiracy. The frequently stated determination of China’s government to “eradicate” Falun Gong has even extended beyond China to include threats and harassment of practitioners in the U.S., Canada and Europe.

Because in China Falun Gong is widely reputed to offer improved health, strength and vitality to its devotees – a belief that even Chinese officials seem to share – its practitioners’ internal organs are thought to be especially vital and serviceable. Consequently, according to sources cited in the Kilgour-Matas report, they are highly prized and are specifically requested by some transplant seekers. The report includes quotes from phone interviews, in which doctors reassure the interviewers (who were posing as potential customers) that the organs they transplant are from living donors who are healthy because they practice Falun Gong.

The report mentions that many of those who are arrested for their ties to the Falun Gong movement refuse to identify themselves to the authorities because they fear that their family members and friends may be targeted by the government’s inquisition. Kilgour and Matas point out that this self-imposed anonymity may make these prisoners more likely to be tortured or executed — or selected as potential organ “donors”.

Among the key evidence supporting the Kilgour/Matas report’s conclusions are statistics from the China Medical Organ Transplant Association and China’s National Pharmacy Net. These figures show that starting in the year 2000, when persecution of the Falun Gong on a very large scale began, the number of transplant operations performed in China increased enormously, from a total of about 18,500 in the six year period, from 1994 through1999, to a total of about 60,000 from 2000 through 2005.

Using figures from Amnesty International, Kilgour and Matas show that less than a third of the 60,000 organs transplanted from 2000 through 2005 can be accounted as having come from executed convicts, on whom the government does keep and publish statistics. Executed convicts are the only known and readily identifiable source of transplant organs in China, where voluntary family organ donations are very rare, providing at most one per cent of all transplanted organs. Thus, the sources of more than 40,000 of the 60,000 organs transplanted in China from 2000 through 2005 – the years of the most intense persecution of the Falun Gong – are unknown and, Kilgour and Matas point out, cannot be accounted for by published statistics.

The report also notes that “Hospital web sites in China advertise short waiting times for organ transplants” and that “waiting times for organ transplants... in China appear to be much lower than anywhere else.” They quote a recent advertisement (now archived on the web) from the China International Transplantation Assistant Centre (sic) website, which boasts that “It may take only one week to find out the suitable (kidney) donor, the maximum time being one month,” along with the website’s additional claim that “If something wrong with the donor’s organ happens, the patient will have the option to be offered another organ donor and have the operation again in one week.”

Similarly, in April 2006 the Oriental Organ Transplant Centre’s website advertised that for liver transplant patients “the average waiting time is two weeks,” and the website of Changzheng Hospital in Shanghai claimed that its “average waiting time for a liver supply is one week among all the patients. “ (These quotes have been deleted from the websites where they formerly appeared, but the Kilgour-Matas report cites where the archived original versions can be found.)

In most parts of the U.S.A. and Canada, waiting times for organ transplants range from several months to two years or longer. Kilgour and Matas point out that “the median waiting time for a kidney in Canada was 32.5 months in 2003, and in British Columbia it was even longer at 52.5 months”, and that “if as indicated (in the Canadian Organ Replacement Register) the survival period for a kidney is between 24 (and) 48 hours and a liver about 12 hours, the presence of a large bank of living kidney-liver ‘donors’ must be the only way China’s transplant centers can assure such short waits to customers. The astonishingly short waiting times advertised for perfectly matched organs would suggest the existence of both a computer matching system for transplants and a large bank of live prospective ‘donors’. The advertisements do not identify Falun Gong practitioners as the source of these organs. But there are no other identified sources.”

Based on these circumstances, Kilgour and Matas observe that “even if the Falun Gong as the (source) of these organs is only an allegation, it is the only allegation we have. No other large body of people... have been identified to us as sources of organs sufficient in numbers to meet the large number of transplant demands now being made and met in China.”

Other evidence, much of it found in the report’s appendices, is quoted from Falun Gong publications, media sources, and reports from various human rights organizations. The appendices include numerous graphic personal and eyewitness descriptions of the tortures inflicted on Falun Gong prisoners. Described by Falun Gong survivors and former prisoners in China, the U.S., Canada, and France, the torture methods used against the Falun Gong include techniques such as depriving prisoners of clothing and sleep and subjecting them to cold temperatures, aggressive and violent interrogations, repeated beatings often inflicting acute and agonizing injuries, cutting and piercing of sensitive body parts including sexual organs, hanging prisoners for long periods by their arms or legs, stress positions, gang rapes, injections of experimental drugs and chemicals that cause excruciating pain, and other assaults on and violations of Falun Gong prisoners.

As long ago as August 5, 2001, the Washington Post foreign news service published an article by John Pomfret and Phillip P. Pan that appeared under the headline “Torture is Breaking Falun Gong: China Systematically Eradicating Group.” Since then scores of published reports have chronicled the Falun Gong persecutions, and western governments, including that of the U.S., have chronicled the excesses of cruelty that characterize China’s criminal suppression of an innocent spiritual movement.

But to date there has been no effective response from the United Nations or from any group of governments. Aside from the often heroic efforts of some human rights groups, nothing effective has been done to focus attention on a campaign of terror.

On September 14, 2006, David Kilgour and David Matas followed up Kilgour’s presentation to the National Press Club in Washington with a press conference in the rotunda of the U.S. capital. The following week, Kilgour and other defenders of the Falun Gong addressed an international human rights meeting at the European headquarters of the United Nations in Geneva. But western media coverage remains low-key, occasional,and almost entirely relegated to the back pages of “mainstream” newspapers. The China bureaus of western television and radio networks broadcast plenty of news from China, but any effort to report on the persecution of the Falun Gong produces indignation, threats, and severe harassment from China’s government and its ruling party. Canada’s national radio network, CBC, recently upgraded its Beijing bureau and posted one of its top political reporters, Anthony Germaine,to head that bureau. But in more than six months of regular reporting from China, Germaine has not mentioned the Falun Gong or the Beijing government’s effort to “eradicate” it. If Germaine or any other reporter tried to report on this subject, he and the CBC would probably be expelled from China.

America’s trade deficit with China reached $68 billion in July and shows no sign of easing. Wal-Mart , Home Depot and thousands of other mass marketers,corporations and businesses in both the U.S. and Canada are heavily dependent on trade with China. And as Google’s recent capitulation to China’s insistence that it exclude all mention of the Falun Gong from its “service” to computer users in the People’s Republic demonstrates, western reporting about the persecution of the Falun Gong and other human rights issues can be very significantly affected – in this case eliminated – by economic pressures and government threats to restrict the activities of information providers if they refuse to comply with orders specifying what they may and may not report about.

The Kilgour/Matas report ends with a list of reasonable recommendations as to how governments and the international community should be responding to the trade in human organs obtained by the slaughter of prisoners that is going on in China. Will the United Nations or any western government conduct a serious inquiry into this infernal industry that is tolerated and to a significant extent operated by the Chinese government? Will western countries even consider the simple step of prohibiting their nationals from traveling to China to take advantage of that country’s abundant supply of organs extracted from living prisoners? cc

Larry Lack is a writer living in New Brunswick, Canada.
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Since July 1999, the gang of Jiang Zemin and Luo Gan, using their positions in the Chinese Communist regime, have acted as a substitute for the law, comprehensively persecuting Falun Gong practitioners. Falun Gong practitioners are branded by the Chinese Communist regime as a "class enemy" just because they believe in "Truthfulness, Compassion, Forbearance," and have suffered the most brutal persecution. Since 2000, the Chinese Communist regime has systematically harvested Falun Gong practitioners’ body organs on a large scale, thus resulting in China quickly becoming the foremost international organ transplant centre. Numerous innocent people’s lives have been taken for profit.


Before another person starts bashing China again, please use more than one source to prove that the CCP has been doing these things. It's rude to accuse people when you do not have sufficient evidence.


pls check this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong


A re-enactment of organ harvesting from living Falun Gong practitioners for profit, at an event exposing the CCP's organ harvesting crimes. A heart or liver can fetch hundreds of thousands of dollars. Overseas patients are major recipients of Chinese organ transplants.


Chart from the Orient Organ Transplant Center Website (http://www.ootc.net ) (Tianjin City) showing escalating numbers of organ transplants since 1999, when the persecution of Falun Gong started. The website claims, "from January 2005 to now, we have done 647 liver transplants - 12 of them done this week; the average waiting time is 2 weeks." The chart indicates that from virtually a standing start in 1998 (when it performed only 9 liver transplants) by 2005 it had completed fully 2,248.

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It is disturbing to note that black-marketing organs are rampant not only in China but to the Philippines as well. Organs, the kidney most especially, sell for several thousands of pesos that people use this as a means to earn a hefty sum. Considering that this method underwent in almost to none medical check listing, this may prove to be more harmful than beneficial to the recipient of the organ. Furthermore, losing your kidney for a reason such as this would be detrimental to one's physique knowing that the kidney controls the excretion and acid-base balance in the body, amongst other functions.

I am not against organ donation, just as long as it is done for the right reasons. Rather than an viable organ of a dead or living person be put to waste, donating it would help save a life. If this were the ideals of those who wish to donate, issues such as the illegal selling and distribution of body parts would be obsolete.
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It is disturbing to note that black-marketing organs are rampant not only in China but to the Philippines as well. Organs, the kidney most especially, sell for several thousands of pesos that people use this as a means to earn a hefty sum. Considering that this method underwent in almost to none medical check listing, this may prove to be more harmful than beneficial to the recipient of the organ. Furthermore, losing your kidney for a reason such as this would be detrimental to one's physique knowing that the kidney controls the excretion and acid-base balance in the body, amongst other functions.

I am not against organ donation, just as long as it is done for the right reasons. Rather than an viable organ of a dead or living person be put to waste, donating it would help save a life. If this were the ideals of those who wish to donate, issues such as the illegal selling and distribution of body parts would be obsolete.


yeah, donations are good but Philippines news states that that some were lured to sell the one (1) kidney but get only $2000 - $2400 which is 1/2 of what was promised and was not given the right mindset on the repercussion after the removal of the kidney and later found out the the doctors earn around $40,000 US per patient.

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WeeBoX wrote:

It is disturbing to note that black-marketing organs are rampant not only in China but to the Philippines as well. Organs, the kidney most especially, sell for several thousands of pesos that people use this as a means to earn a hefty sum. Considering that this method underwent in almost to none medical check listing, this may prove to be more harmful than beneficial to the recipient of the organ. Furthermore, losing your kidney for a reason such as this would be detrimental to one's physique knowing that the kidney controls the excretion and acid-base balance in the body, amongst other functions.

I am not against organ donation, just as long as it is done for the right reasons. Rather than an viable organ of a dead or living person be put to waste, donating it would help save a life. If this were the ideals of those who wish to donate, issues such as the illegal selling and distribution of body parts would be obsolete.


yeah, donations are good but Philippines news states that that some were lured to sell the one (1) kidney but get only $2000 - $2400 which is 1/2 of what was promised and was not given the right mindset on the repercussion after the removal of the kidney and later found out the the doctors earn around $40,000 US per patient.



Sadly that is true. Those people who were bamboozled had their mindset on the money they'd be having after the donation, not the ramifications it would have on their health. Opportunists however, are using these gullible men as leverage for their illegal business earning much more than those who sacrificed their kidneys.

Black marketing of organs should stop else the health of those involved would be jeopardized.
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I don't really know about other countries practices in transplanting organs, but I base my opinions on how the US does. If a person has died and their organs are still viable why let them go to waste. It should be up to the person beliefs or the persons next of kin beliefs. Personally I have that little sticker on my ID that reads "Donor" and my family is well aware of my wishes if I can't be saved or am going to live as a vegetable to pull the cord and donate my organs. From my skin (for burn victims), corneas, and all internal organs. As for the selling of your organs I think if a person wants to sell a kidney or half of their liver then why not, but I think hospitals or private clinics should be only allowed to buy them so they go to the person who needs it the most.
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Posted 7/13/08
i dont think its bad i mean they do it now also they do it before....and it helps people to have the second chance to live but the person who just had a transplant might take some getting use to it before it functions correctly>>>thats what happens isnt it...the organ must adapt so it would function properly or if not there's no use..!!
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