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Sigh...

Why didn't they at last let 2 characters die(Setsuna, Lockon)
This is contradicting and redundant.
In flashbacks Lockon's brother was younger then him, now it's a twin brother--->Same look, same age, most likely same attitude etc. only Real Name is another, Code name will most likely be also Lockon.
Setsuna couldn't he just have suffocated?
So Tiera's look didn't change it and the character in the S1 ending credits is Renjene Rejetta....
Allelujah should have better left CB temporarily since his sister/friend from the floating in space incident is in the HRL.
He doesn't even have got a scar on his right eye.....

It's fine that they change Gundam models because it's a merchandising anime, but why don't they ever change characters?
There were 3 gates--->3 Gundams 1 is useless at the moment. So why don't Nena Trinity and Tiera pilot them?
And Allejuha would return after some time so Gundam 0 has been modified to a new Kyrios.

This gonna end like each other series nobody important dies.
There will be a final fight between Graham and Setsuna again--->Graham dies. Not forgetting that he will kill Ribbon
Lockon#2 kills Saachez
Allelujah kills Smirnoff, Peries wins against Allelujah but doesn't kill him because she realizes who is is.
Tiera kills most likely some of Ribbons servants and restarts/resets Veda. Now he has got the highest chance to die

A completely forgot the minor characters will only fill screentime again and die.....

After the ending was really good they just go back to the old Gundam shemes instead of doing better.
Only a guess the copy the copied meteor system from Gundam Seed again and use the same Laserbeam scenes again and only modify the colors.


SeeD ripped the METEOR system from the Dendrobium Orchis in 0083. No, Season 1 ending is god awful. Totally ruined Graham Aker by sticking him in the last minute only to get his ass kicked and deliver some out-of-character speech after being MIA for a few episodes. Bandai + Sunrise = bad combo.
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haotehmao wrote:


Strike wrote:

Sigh...

Why didn't they at last let 2 characters die(Setsuna, Lockon)
This is contradicting and redundant.
In flashbacks Lockon's brother was younger then him, now it's a twin brother--->Same look, same age, most likely same attitude etc. only Real Name is another, Code name will most likely be also Lockon.
Setsuna couldn't he just have suffocated?
So Tiera's look didn't change it and the character in the S1 ending credits is Renjene Rejetta....
Allelujah should have better left CB temporarily since his sister/friend from the floating in space incident is in the HRL.
He doesn't even have got a scar on his right eye.....

It's fine that they change Gundam models because it's a merchandising anime, but why don't they ever change characters?
There were 3 gates--->3 Gundams 1 is useless at the moment. So why don't Nena Trinity and Tiera pilot them?
And Allejuha would return after some time so Gundam 0 has been modified to a new Kyrios.

This gonna end like each other series nobody important dies.
There will be a final fight between Graham and Setsuna again--->Graham dies. Not forgetting that he will kill Ribbon
Lockon#2 kills Saachez
Allelujah kills Smirnoff, Peries wins against Allelujah but doesn't kill him because she realizes who is is.
Tiera kills most likely some of Ribbons servants and restarts/resets Veda. Now he has got the highest chance to die

A completely forgot the minor characters will only fill screentime again and die.....

After the ending was really good they just go back to the old Gundam shemes instead of doing better.
Only a guess the copy the copied meteor system from Gundam Seed again and use the same Laserbeam scenes again and only modify the colors.


SeeD ripped the METEOR system from the Dendrobium Orchis in 0083. No, Season 1 ending is god awful. Totally ruined Graham Aker by sticking him in the last minute only to get his ass kicked and deliver some out-of-character speech after being MIA for a few episodes. Bandai + Sunrise = bad combo.


I agree

also ZAFT is a ripped-off of Zeon
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haotehmao wrote:


Strike wrote:

Sigh...

Why didn't they at last let 2 characters die(Setsuna, Lockon)
This is contradicting and redundant.
In flashbacks Lockon's brother was younger then him, now it's a twin brother--->Same look, same age, most likely same attitude etc. only Real Name is another, Code name will most likely be also Lockon.
Setsuna couldn't he just have suffocated?
So Tiera's look didn't change it and the character in the S1 ending credits is Renjene Rejetta....
Allelujah should have better left CB temporarily since his sister/friend from the floating in space incident is in the HRL.
He doesn't even have got a scar on his right eye.....

It's fine that they change Gundam models because it's a merchandising anime, but why don't they ever change characters?
There were 3 gates--->3 Gundams 1 is useless at the moment. So why don't Nena Trinity and Tiera pilot them?
And Allejuha would return after some time so Gundam 0 has been modified to a new Kyrios.

This gonna end like each other series nobody important dies.
There will be a final fight between Graham and Setsuna again--->Graham dies. Not forgetting that he will kill Ribbon
Lockon#2 kills Saachez
Allelujah kills Smirnoff, Peries wins against Allelujah but doesn't kill him because she realizes who is is.
Tiera kills most likely some of Ribbons servants and restarts/resets Veda. Now he has got the highest chance to die

A completely forgot the minor characters will only fill screentime again and die.....

After the ending was really good they just go back to the old Gundam shemes instead of doing better.
Only a guess the copy the copied meteor system from Gundam Seed again and use the same Laserbeam scenes again and only modify the colors.


SeeD ripped the METEOR system from the Dendrobium Orchis in 0083. No, Season 1 ending is god awful. Totally ruined Graham Aker by sticking him in the last minute only to get his ass kicked and deliver some out-of-character speech after being MIA for a few episodes. Bandai + Sunrise = bad combo.


I agree

also ZAFT is a ripped-off of Zeon


Well let's list some:
Freedom/Strike Freedom = Hi-Nu rip
Akatsuki = Hyaku Shiki rip
Arch Angel = White Base rip
METEOR system = Dendrobium Orchis rip
DRAGOON system = Funnel system rip
Murasame = Zeta rip
Neo/Mwu = Char rip
ZAFT = Zeon rip
Destiny = F91 rip
DOM Troopers = Black Tri-Stars DOM rip
GENESIS = Gryps Colony Laser rip
Blaze/Phantom Zaku = Zaku II rip
Gouf Ignited = Gouf rip
SeeD storyline = MSG storyline rip

Hell, they even started ripping their own designs!
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haotehmao wrote:


OTAKUADDICT wrote:


haotehmao wrote:


Strike wrote:

Sigh...

Why didn't they at last let 2 characters die(Setsuna, Lockon)
This is contradicting and redundant.
In flashbacks Lockon's brother was younger then him, now it's a twin brother--->Same look, same age, most likely same attitude etc. only Real Name is another, Code name will most likely be also Lockon.
Setsuna couldn't he just have suffocated?
So Tiera's look didn't change it and the character in the S1 ending credits is Renjene Rejetta....
Allelujah should have better left CB temporarily since his sister/friend from the floating in space incident is in the HRL.
He doesn't even have got a scar on his right eye.....

did you know It's fine that they change Gundam models because it's a merchandising anime, but why don't they ever change characters?
There were 3 gates--->3 Gundams 1 is useless at the moment. So why don't Nena Trinity and Tiera pilot them?
And Allejuha would return after some time so Gundam 0 has been modified to a new Kyrios.

This gonna end like each other series nobody important dies.
There will be a final fight between Graham and Setsuna again--->Graham dies. Not forgetting that he will kill Ribbon
Lockon#2 kills Saachez
Allelujah kills Smirnoff, Peries wins against Allelujah but doesn't kill him because she realizes who is is.
Tiera kills most likely some of Ribbons servants and restarts/resets Veda. Now he has got the highest chance to die

A completely forgot the minor characters will only fill screentime again and die.....

After the ending was really good they just go back to the old Gundam shemes instead of doing better.
Only a guess the copy the copied meteor system from Gundam Seed again and use the same Laserbeam scenes again and only modify the colors.


SeeD ripped the METEOR system from the Dendrobium Orchis in 0083. No, Season 1 ending is god awful. Totally ruined Graham Aker by sticking him in the last minute only to get his ass kicked and deliver some out-of-character speech after being MIA for a few episodes. Bandai + Sunrise = bad combo.


I agree

also ZAFT is a ripped-off of Zeon


Well let's list some:
Freedom/Strike Freedom = Hi-Nu rip
Akatsuki = Hyaku Shiki rip
Arch Angel = White Base rip
METEOR system = Dendrobium Orchis rip
DRAGOON system = Funnel system rip
Murasame = Zeta rip
Neo/Mwu = Char rip
ZAFT = Zeon rip
Destiny = F91 rip
DOM Troopers = Black Tri-Stars DOM rip
GENESIS = Gryps Colony Laser rip
Blaze/Phantom Zaku = Zaku II rip
Gouf Ignited = Gouf rip
SeeD storyline = MSG storyline rip

Hell, they even started ripping their own designs!


wow
did you know that Lacus and Meer Campbell was also a ripped off from a singer in Macross


i have many reasons too why C.E is a rip off from U.C and also why C.E has very lazy plagiarism



1.First, we made to believe that some angsty-emo-gay-bastard named Shinn is our main character for this series. But then he ended up as sore loser in the end. We've been cheated

2.Still about Shinn. He's so irritating that if he was in Z gundam series he might've slapped by Captain Bright many many many times (or maybe executed by martial court)

3.More about Shinn. We all know that a guy who bring his dead sister's cellphone anywhere is kinda creepy and mentally ill Twisted Evil

4.I wonder if Shinn is really a coordinator.Oh yeah, he's ZAFT super ace.But outside that, he's a big dumbass. His character didn't developed at all

5.What's wrong with Athrun? He switched side to ZAFT (again) and then switched side back to Kira's crew (again). So indecisive but no one pays attention since he's...well, good looking

6.Seriously, it's his trademark. Next time someone betrayed you, tell them "I can't believe you 'Athrun Zala'-ed me !!" or "What? You 'Athrun Zala' me?" Very Happy

7.Do you guys notice that Kira in GSD looks like devoid of any expression? He spoke plainly, always staring vacantly to nowhere....maybe Lacus brainwashed him. Yeah maybe

8.Kira in GSD is the most boring character ever in any anime I ever watched. Seriously

9.Seems like Kira using Gameshark or cheat codes on himself and his Strike Freedom. Well, he's invincible. He must be cheating somehow - maybe he used "main character godmode" code

10.Ah, Lacus-sama. You're so charming, so graceful, so righteous, and so...boring. Sorry, I prefer Marina Ismail-sama for now.

11.Everything she does is always the right thing. That's fine...if she's in some kiddie anime that is

12.Hey,there's a cool mysterious masked dude (again)!! Wonder who he is...

13.Oh, it's Mwu !! Wait, wasn't he dead? don't ask me how he still alive. I bet you all don't know too. But oh well, many impossible things is possible in GSD. Right Neo?

14.We all know Sting dead when his chaos beaten (by mere grunts) but then how the hell we saw him again in Heaven's Base as Destroy pilot?

15.Whoa, Strike Freedom got golden joints !! For what purpose ? Who cares, It's SHINY !! At least Bandai can sell us 7000 yen model kits.

16.Same goes for Destiny's wings. Pay more for MG special edition and you get the wings !! Those greedy bastard

17.Too many flashbacks. Too many. Really, TOO MANY. They've insulted our long-term memory capability

18.Really, most of the flashback aren't really necessary at all. Hell, they even showed us what happened in an episode before (I'm sick of Uzumi's speech, FYI)

19.Stock animations. As if the flashbacks isn't enough....do you realize the scene where Impulse combined,a Windam destroyed, Destiny charged its big-frickin sword, Freedom super-cool pose, or whatever, is familiar? Of course. We saw them million times. Damn those lazy animators.
Additional note : Watch the final episode (not final plus). Then, after Rey said "I am Raww Le Klueze" he spamming Strike Freedom with beams from his DRAGOONS. Strike Freedom dodge it all,
but look closely (freeze the frame if you have to). It's not Strike Freedom....it's Freedom !! How cheap, using stock footage from other MS to similar one? Think they can fool us? It also
happened to Force Impulse, they used Aile Strike stock footage for it.

20.What the hell they were thinking when they chose the song for 4th OP?

21.I can't believe ZAKU is more advanced than GuAIZ. They look awfully ancient

22.Ever noticed why beam boomerang only exists in CE? Because they're unrealistic weapon that breaks any physics law

23.I know that Destiny's and Sword Impulse's ASS (Anti Ship Sword) is frickin-huge, but that doesn't mean it can slice gigantic Destroy like hot knife sliced through butter. Maybe Shinn used "almost-to-be-main character" cheat code

24.Any people with working brain can guessed who Rey really is. Even since the first episode OP

25.Hi Mr. Durandal, trying to be cool antagonist? Sorry dude, you failed big time

26.There's somekind of disease that plagued all characters in GSD. It's mental deterioration and lacked of self-reasoning

27.What happened to Cagalli? She sems to lost all character development she gained in GS. At the beginning of the series she reduced into an indecisive crybaby princess.Where's that tough attitude?

28.Let me ask this one more time, WHO THE HECK IS THE MAIN CHARACTER?

29.I've said this before somewhere, that the show should be named "Gundam SEED Strike Freedom" rather than "Gundam SEED Destiny". At least to reduce some controversy.


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Posted 7/11/08 , edited 7/11/08

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no offense but

no they did not copy the meteor system from GS and the laserbeam

in fact SEED has many rip offs like the similarities between Hi-Nu Gundam and Strike Freedom

Arch Angel and White Base

Akatsuki and Hyaku Shiki

at least Gundam 00 is not too EMO unlike Kira who always cry


Arg a typo forgot an y so there were 2 the instead of they and the

I wanted to say:Just a guess the y copy the copied Meteor system again......
The copied Meteor is poiting on 0083

Btw conspiracy Allejuha becomes the new Kira, after killing somebody from HRL he cries:"Mary.....Why......"


Totally ruined Graham Aker by sticking him in the last minute

Agreed, but my intention was the ending situation.
For Graham they could have shortened unneccesary scenes to give him more time, why the hell create characters like Saji etc if they don't have got a role anyway and Louise most likely just a minor in the second season.

At last reusing names, scenes etc. is nothing special for Gundam series.
Gundam Wing--->Operation Meteor
Gundam Seed---> Meteor System.
Next Gundam series--->Gunam Meteor
Don't forget the Mased Man Gundam needs a phantom of the opera ;D
Zechs in Wing, that Clone in Seed, Flaga in Seed Destiny and Graham in 00 there are even more I bet but I haven't seen all Gundam Series.

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To be fair, SeeD was decent up until the final Aegis VS Strike. Then it just spiralled down to shit. Come on, Aegis self destructed itself while clamping itself to the Strike's body which contains the bloody cockpit for fucks sake! What do we get? Kira waking up in a bloody rich man's bed wrapped up in bandages. Whoop dee doo. In addition, Kira being inside an exploding Freedom twice which is powered by a NUCLEAR fission reactor and surviving is just too much of bullshit to swallow at once.

In SeeD Destiny, Shinn played the main character for the first few episodes which gave us dumb angsty shit storyline with 10 useless episodes of him having flashbacks and peeing in his pants. Then all of a sudden he gets tossed aside and Kira stomps in and steals the show. I still find no logic in the final episode where he was basically unscathed at all with his overpowered computer auto-lockon beam spamming spree other than the fact that . How the Destiny, a great all rounder suit, is able to lose to a mid - far range suit is beyond me. It's like Shinn completely forgot all of Kira's weaknesses and combat styles that he studied previously when he jumped into the Destiny.

What I like about SeeD: The designs for Strike and Blitz. That's it. No other redeeming qualities.
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haotehmao wrote:


OTAKUADDICT wrote:



wow
did you know that Lacus and Meer Campbell was also a ripped off from a singer in Macross


i have many reasons too why C.E is a rip off from U.C and also why C.E has very lazy plagiarism



1.First, we made to believe that some angsty-emo-gay-bastard named Shinn is our main character for this series. But then he ended up as sore loser in the end. We've been cheated

2.Still about Shinn. He's so irritating that if he was in Z gundam series he might've slapped by Captain Bright many many many times (or maybe executed by martial court)

3.More about Shinn. We all know that a guy who bring his dead sister's cellphone anywhere is kinda creepy and mentally ill Twisted Evil

4.I wonder if Shinn is really a coordinator.Oh yeah, he's ZAFT super ace.But outside that, he's a big dumbass. His character didn't developed at all

5.What's wrong with Athrun? He switched side to ZAFT (again) and then switched side back to Kira's crew (again). So indecisive but no one pays attention since he's...well, good looking

6.Seriously, it's his trademark. Next time someone betrayed you, tell them "I can't believe you 'Athrun Zala'-ed me !!" or "What? You 'Athrun Zala' me?" Very Happy

7.Do you guys notice that Kira in GSD looks like devoid of any expression? He spoke plainly, always staring vacantly to nowhere....maybe Lacus brainwashed him. Yeah maybe

8.Kira in GSD is the most boring character ever in any anime I ever watched. Seriously

9.Seems like Kira using Gameshark or cheat codes on himself and his Strike Freedom. Well, he's invincible. He must be cheating somehow - maybe he used "main character godmode" code

10.Ah, Lacus-sama. You're so charming, so graceful, so righteous, and so...boring. Sorry, I prefer Marina Ismail-sama for now.

11.Everything she does is always the right thing. That's fine...if she's in some kiddie anime that is

12.Hey,there's a cool mysterious masked dude (again)!! Wonder who he is...

13.Oh, it's Mwu !! Wait, wasn't he dead? don't ask me how he still alive. I bet you all don't know too. But oh well, many impossible things is possible in GSD. Right Neo?

14.We all know Sting dead when his chaos beaten (by mere grunts) but then how the hell we saw him again in Heaven's Base as Destroy pilot?

15.Whoa, Strike Freedom got golden joints !! For what purpose ? Who cares, It's SHINY !! At least Bandai can sell us 7000 yen model kits.

16.Same goes for Destiny's wings. Pay more for MG special edition and you get the wings !! Those greedy bastard

17.Too many flashbacks. Too many. Really, TOO MANY. They've insulted our long-term memory capability

18.Really, most of the flashback aren't really necessary at all. Hell, they even showed us what happened in an episode before (I'm sick of Uzumi's speech, FYI)

19.Stock animations. As if the flashbacks isn't enough....do you realize the scene where Impulse combined,a Windam destroyed, Destiny charged its big-frickin sword, Freedom super-cool pose, or whatever, is familiar? Of course. We saw them million times. Damn those lazy animators.
Additional note : Watch the final episode (not final plus). Then, after Rey said "I am Raww Le Klueze" he spamming Strike Freedom with beams from his DRAGOONS. Strike Freedom dodge it all,
but look closely (freeze the frame if you have to). It's not Strike Freedom....it's Freedom !! How cheap, using stock footage from other MS to similar one? Think they can fool us? It also
happened to Force Impulse, they used Aile Strike stock footage for it.

20.What the hell they were thinking when they chose the song for 4th OP?

21.I can't believe ZAKU is more advanced than GuAIZ. They look awfully ancient

22.Ever noticed why beam boomerang only exists in CE? Because they're unrealistic weapon that breaks any physics law

23.I know that Destiny's and Sword Impulse's ASS (Anti Ship Sword) is frickin-huge, but that doesn't mean it can slice gigantic Destroy like hot knife sliced through butter. Maybe Shinn used "almost-to-be-main character" cheat code

24.Any people with working brain can guessed who Rey really is. Even since the first episode OP

25.Hi Mr. Durandal, trying to be cool antagonist? Sorry dude, you failed big time

26.There's somekind of disease that plagued all characters in GSD. It's mental deterioration and lacked of self-reasoning

27.What happened to Cagalli? She sems to lost all character development she gained in GS. At the beginning of the series she reduced into an indecisive crybaby princess.Where's that tough attitude?

28.Let me ask this one more time, WHO THE HECK IS THE MAIN CHARACTER?

29.I've said this before somewhere, that the show should be named "Gundam SEED Strike Freedom" rather than "Gundam SEED Destiny". At least to reduce some controversy.




To be fair, SeeD was decent up until the final Aegis VS Strike. Then it just spiralled down to shit. Come on, Aegis self destructed itself while clamping itself to the Strike's body which contains the bloody cockpit for fucks sake! What do we get? Kira waking up in a bloody rich man's bed wrapped up in bandages. Whoop dee doo. In addition, Kira being inside and exploding Freedom twice which is powered by a NUCLEAR fission reactor and surviving is just too much of bullshit to swallow at once.

In SeeD Destiny, Shinn played the main character for the first few episodes which gave us dumb angsty shit storyline with 10 useless episodes of him having flashbacks and peeing in his pants. Then all of a sudden he gets tossed aside and Kira stomps in and steals the show. I still find no logic in the final episode where he was basically unscathed at all with his overpowered computer auto-lockon beam spamming spree other than the fact that . How the Destiny, a great all rounder suit, is able to lose to a mid - far range suit is beyond me. It's like Shinn completely forgot all of Kira's weaknesses and combat styles that he studied previously when he jumped into the Destiny.

What I like about SeeD: The designs for Strike and Blitz. That's it. No other redeeming qualities.



What I only like about SEED series is Gundam SEED Stargazer

at least it has no rip offs and it's MS rockzzzzzzzzz
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Setsuna F. Seiei
21-years-old. Lived as a boy soldier in his native Kurdish and became a Gundam Meister with Celestial Being. Engaged in one-on-one combat with Graham in a final battle. Went missing. 4 years after, what does he think of as he looks at the world without conflict the Earth Sphere Federation ushered in?

Edit:this is not Lockon Stratos.It's his twin brother Lyle according to wikipedia

29-years-old. Expert marksman and Gundam Meister affiliated with Celestial Being. 4 years ago, he and his bitter enemy Saachez shot each other simultaneously and (*unreadable portion*) This Lockon (*unreadable*) heads to the battlefield together with his partner Haro and, as a Gundam Meister, pilots the Keldim Gundam.



Allelujah Haptism
24-years-old

Tieria Erde
Age unknown. Seriously injured in the decisive final battle in which he flew the Gundam Nadleeh but he was rescued by an organization and his life saved. Afterwards, he did his best to rebuild Celestial Being. Previously, he had thought of Veda as an absolute being but now he looks for the meaning of his personal struggle

-Mecha (names may not be final till further confirmation on actually spelling):

GN-0000 00 Gundam
New generation Gundam developed as a successor unit to the Gundam Exia. A formidable mecha equipped with 2 GN Drives on its shoulders, it boasts astounding GN particle emission and its performance overwhelms that of all other mobile suits. Pilot: Setsuna F. Seiei



Keldim Gundam (Dynames upgrade?)


Arios Gundam (Kyrios upgrade?)

Selavii Gundam (Virtue MK2?)
A heavy armament model piloted by Tieria Erde that largely carries over features of the Gundam Virtue. Furthermore, it was developed with the intent of strengthening offense and while the 2 shoulder-equipped GN cannons are simple in form, their firepower far exceeds the Virtue’s.


Info via Kouryaku No Yakata’s Newtype summaries:

* The second season will revolve around an independent security enforcement organization within the Federation called “Arrows” that suppresses anti-Federation elements.

* Setsuna will take on a leadership role.

* Most people aren’t aware of the severe oppression of Arrows due to the Federation’s complete control of information.

* Lockon died and isn’t coming back.

* Season 2 will air in MBS’ Sunday 5 pm timeslot starting in October.


I take this from Gunota...



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