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Ok, serious topic, majority in CR seem to want to go visit or live in Japan, show us what you know about the history and politics of your favorite country (wait! don't run off!)

A few questions to think about:

Why do you think Japan recovered so quickly and efficiently after the huge devastation of WWII?

to the point that it is now the 3rd country with the highest GDP?

even when it had to pay off 1 trillion 30 billion yen war reparation?

What do you think of the JSDF (Self-defence Forces)?

Should Japan continue to depend on the US to protect them from threats abroad?

Or should they start re-arming for more than Self-defense with the nuclear threat posed by N. Korea in the horizon?

What about Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's continued stance to increase Japanese influence in the international political stage considering Japan since WWII has stayed away from international conflict.

And Japan's strong support of the US and the Bush administration?


Posted 3/1/07
yay something other than another "i want to move to japan"
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wetto wrote:

yay something other than another "i want to move to japan"


lolz, yes, but you just said it yourself! come on give me something!
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well...i guess i'll be the first to start off!
ummm the reason for Japan's quick recovery? definitely the States. they invested money there, aided in numerous ways...
i don't exactly like the japanese government, maybe i have bias, but im sure its safe to say that they are not as willingly to apolgize as all other countries that fought on the wrong side in WWII...and because the Americans have protected Japan afterwards (just look at wat happened to Germany when they lost...Japan got off easy) still they hold ideologies which are not right. have japan sincerely apolgized? i don't see when or where...


and the dependence on the US...i guess its the price one have to pay to not have the country in ruins for the decades that were to come
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investment is just the beggining, but it is a legitimate reason because Germany (who's has the 2nd highest GDP) also experienced a huge boom when the rest of Western Europe and the US invested in it.

^ but are you saying that Japan is under the control of the US? Japan is just one of the very few countries that was not colonised by the West. maybe unofficially?
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^^ Why should Japan apologise? Other countries that did similar things in history didn't. That includes the UK (the British Empire). Japan did what it thought was right, even though it may be done for wrong reasons.
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japan got off easy?... hold on a second i have to think about that one for a second. an estimated 150,000 CIVILIAN deaths BEFORE bombings cause by the US.... and a continued 200,000+ by the two bombings withing 3 days of eachother. yeah I'd say losing 350,000+ CIVILIANS is getting off easy. What we did to that countries innocent is unforgivable.

oh and by the way "I want to move to japan!" YOSH! As for the topics of a rising country. just look at the education system, the high standars, and all the hard work those people put into their lives. People who work at McDonalds have college degrees. SERIOUSLY, you can't do anything in Japan unless you are really educated, or live in a rural area and want to tend to the dying farming communities in Japan. I mean as a requirement for a lot of high schools you mst learn english just for the fact that so much of they're commerce is directly tied to ours. how many games do you buy that are from Japan?... ... don't know? go look up thier creators websites. you'll find out it's a lot more than you expected. How many times do you turn on that fancy big screen Sony T.V. of yours? How many Hondas, Toyotas, Subarus, Nissans do you see driving around on the road?... you tell me how japana got so big... it's booming beyond belief. it's those idealogoies "honor, hardwork, enthusiasm," that we as americans lack due to our taking everything forgranted. One day we are going to have to wake up and stop losing our power to other countries because we're lazy. oh well im done with my rants... Chinas gonna surpass us some day, and prolly bomb the shit out of us for rescources... and when that happens, we'll all go "Damn... China sux"

I'm speaking of Americans... brits will always be a superpower... thy've shown it in the past, and still show it today. >.< Americans are just too lazy to hold on to it

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^ that's the american perspective. Japanese death toll was more like 600,000 civilians and 2 million military.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

all other countries in asia lost bout 12.5 million civillians. china alone lost 7 million and indonesia 4 million. if ur talking about civilian deaths, Japan did get off lightly.





Posted 3/1/07

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I'm speaking of Americans... brits will always be a superpower... thy've shown it in the past, and still show it today. >.< Americans are just too lazy to hold on to it


Umm... there are lots of Brits who are attempting to ruin Britains status as a "superpower", but subverting Socialism, ie. living off the system/dole, or generally being holigans etc.

In terms of Japan's recovery, it has a lot to do with the Japanese mindset, and the way in which Japanese company hierachy fits well into the hightech industry. Japanese students, of whom I know many, are "not allowed to do badly" at school, so, they work really hard. It causes burnout in some cases, however in most it seems to create highly intelligent people, who can then go and fuel the hightech industry.
Japanese company hierachy is based upon lots of small sub-unit companies which specialise in a single part or material, in this way they can produce very high quality goods, given that they must compete, whereas, if they were part of a larger firm, there would be less pressure to increase the quality of individual components. In this way Japanese companies can ensure that they continually have the best component parts.
A further factor has been innovation. With all these intelligent workers and market forces at work, innovation is encouraged. The resulting products fare variably on the world market, however some have been world changing, such as sony's walkman. The director is supposed to have dropped the prototype in a bucket of water, seen bubbles, and said "there is empty space in there, make it smaller" - ^__^
Finally, despite Japan's lack of natural resources, it's coastline provides perfect natural, deep, safe harbours, in between the US (a massive export market) and China (a massive import market).

In terms of Japan's pacifist stance changing, I believe it is wrong to do so.
I take the point that N. Korea is producing a nuclear deterrent, and that China is becoming ever more threatening, however to react by increasing the armed forces will only cause a local arms race. It is much better to stick to diplomacy and let the US/Nato take care of the protection side of things. Or anything else in order to preserve pacifism.
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I like this thread. It's interesting. Though I don't have much to say myself other than I totally understand what atatakakunai talks about. About their school system and how they arn't allowed to be bad in school. Here in sweden as well as in the U.S we're taking too much for granted. It'll hit back upon us some day. I mean to have really good grades here is almost "bad", since it's not cool to study a lot... I wouldn't like my kids to go in the swedish school. But then, it's good for those who has problems with reading and stuff, since they get lots of extra help and stuff. But Yeah.. hm.. anyway. Continue the discussion please
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^^^^ India has serious potential of becoming a superpower next 20 or 50 years. In fact I think India will get to that point before China. At present I think there is too much diffusion in China for it to be a fully functioning superpower, plus there are other countries that aren't keen on the idea of China becoming a superpower.

^^^ The UK's hey days of being a superpower are pretty much over, thanks to the UK's heavy financing and over-compromising its political stance during WWII. I don't think it's viewed with respect as it used to get in old days. Deservedly so, perhaps, as I don't like what the UK did to other countries during its Empire days.
Posted 3/1/07

Freedan wrote:

In 1947, the Emperor lost all power and became a symbolic figure, more so than the Queen of England (someone else should follow Japan's example). The Government and the military were no longer his responsability.


I feel I have to defend my country;
The Queen has no power that is not sybolic. She has to sign new laws into law, but has never not done so, she is the head of the anglican church, but has delegated out her power, and she is the head of the armed forces, though she has no power there either.
I prefer the way she is treated to the way the Japanese royal family's treatment, all the locking away, and trouble about having boys has really caused too much stress... it's unfair on the Japanese royals.
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catex wrote:
Why should Japan apologise?


Possibly the dumbest question ever. Just because other countries have not appologized doesn't give Japan an excuse not to.

Another seriouse issue is the education system. I went through Japanese elementary school and they taught all of Japanese history except for WWII. I hear in Germany they take students to the concentration camps to educate them. Japan can't really do that since they didn't really have torture camps inside the country. They need to change the education though.

Also, the national anthem should be changed.
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In terms of Japan's pacifist stance changing, I believe it is wrong to do so.
I take the point that N. Korea is producing a nuclear deterrent, and that China is becoming ever more threatening, however to react by increasing the armed forces will only cause a local arms race. It is much better to stick to diplomacy and let the US/Nato take care of the protection side of things. Or anything else in order to preserve pacifism.



i agree about the arms race, especially since china seems a bit more jumpy than usual lately. but i dont think nukes would be a part of Japan, seeing as they're the only country to have been devastated with it, i doubt they'd want it anywhere near them...
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this thread is really serious...im pure capitalist and i think that japan have done such a great job surviving after WWII. Other countries in Asia like the Asian Tigers haven't done so well (Philippines is one example) altho from another perspective japan is becoming such a workaholic nation that family ties and values are degrading rapidly to the point that children don't even know their fathers. too much of this will result in the degradation of values that made japan recover so quickly from the debacle of WWII. its gonna turn out to be another dysfunctional country like USA.
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