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angelseraphim wrote:


echo123456 wrote:


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echo123456 wrote:


angelseraphim wrote:


echo123456 wrote:


rhynny wrote:

^ that's the american perspective. Japanese death toll was more like 600,000 civilians and 2 million military.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

all other countries in asia lost bout 12.5 million civillians. china alone lost 7 million and indonesia 4 million. if ur talking about civilian deaths, Japan did get off lightly.







Not to mention how those deaths came about. Not to mention their crimes against humanity. Not to mention their constant denial and refusal to accept responsibility (i'm not talking about just reparations). Not to mention their false pride. Not to mention their insane mentality and idea of hierarchy(which goes against all morals). Not to mention their injustice.
AND they still think they're the ones who were disadvantaged. I do know that, if America chose to invade mainland, there would have been more than 1 million Japanese civilian casualties, 500 thousand US casualties. During the final months, the Imperial Japanese Army, were teaching the civilians to fight until every last one of them is dead- never surrender because the military told it's citizens that Americans will :
torture them
kill their families
put them into slavery
kill the emperor
All in all, America's big boys actually did a favour to the rest of the world by instigating the unconditional surrender of the Imperial Jap Army.
As for everything the japs did, it's unforgivable. At least the Nazi Germany admitted their mistakes and sincerely reforming, the Japanese (at least the ones in government) still think their actions were justified and thus even refuse to admit their atrocities. Even now, there are politicians who think their entire involvement in WWII is a fabrication. The fact that Japanese text books don't even mention things like Nanjing, Pearl and human experimentation, shows their lack of respect to other humans. A truly selfish and sub-human mindset. Despicable.


Boo hoo. Cry me a river. I'm not saying that your information is incorrect. It may exaggerated but honorable men may differ. My point is who cares. People die. War, crime, disease. No matter how noble or how despicable people are, they all die. I don't mean to be an ass but your ranting is irrelevant because we are all gonna die. Death puts everything into perspective and makes everything pointless. So what does it matter.


What does it matter? What do you mean what does it matter, if death makes everything pointless then why do you even bother living? According to you, dying right now and dying in 80 years is the same thing.
Life may be worthless to you, but i'm sure the majority out in the world would view life a wonderful thing.
So what does it matter? It matters because some things just ruin life and cause suffering. It matters because life is what society and the world is, without it, there is no existence.
The issue is not whether death matters or not, because i know realistically nobody truly cares about the deaths of randoms that they don't know, however what matters is that you don't insult those who do care by denying them of the truth.
I understand that your ignorant, but don't assume everybody is naive and indifferent like you.


I'm not ignorant. I just don't care about society's woes. You think you're any better. You're a murderer just like every other murderer. I can prove it. I bet you hate me right now. I bet deep down inside you want to kill me after stirred up such strong emotions in you. You can deny it. But its in your nature. The only thing that separates you and everyone else from the murderers is potential. I bet if push came to shove even the most altruistic and benevolent person can create such terrible atrocities. People are fragile, foolish, violent creatures. So easy to manipulate. So easy to break. And you think you're better then the murderers. If you were better then you would be able to surpass your human flaws. But you can't. The sad truth is that this is the pinnacle of humanity. As long as there are humans there will be always be war. The reason I choose to live is because this existence is very amusing. War mongers are amusing. Self righteous pricks are amusing. Religious hopefuls are amusing. Its all one big pointless joke. Hey at least I'm laughing.


I have no doubt now you are indeed ignorant. You have no idea about the value of life, you have no idea about anything concerning other people, your ignorance lies in the fact that you claimed to have summarised human nature. Sadly, you are wrong. Hate doesn't exist until you've felt it and where there's flaws, there are strengths.
Your dark depiction of human nature is nothing but a pitiful attempt at grabbing attention. I find it hard to believe that anybody is actually as warped and twisted as you, to be honest, i don't believe your justification for living at all.
If your purpose of living is to be amused by existence, then you're nothing more than a vegetable. An isolated loner who's been living in a basement too long. If you truly believe what you just posted, then you've wasted your existence. Gonna ask "who are you to judge?" I am someone who obviously values life more than you, I deserve to have a word about an unappreciative naive boy who needs to climb out of his box and see the outside world.
I think everybody in the community can agree that there's more to life than just being manipulated, murderous and feeble. As long as there is a future, there is hope (quite literally).
Unfortunately for you, life is not one pointless joke, i don't see everybody laughing when war breaks out, i don't everybody crackling when the world economy crashes, nor do i see people laughing in disease and famine.
The bottom line is, it doesn't matter whether you care about society's woes or not, society is like a storm, if you care, you'll be ready for it, tucked the cattle in safety sheds, and have your roof reinforced, if you don't care, the only one who ends up homeless and injured, is you. Regardless whether you care or not, society wins. Because you are nothing. You don't run society, society runs you.


Just because I don't value human life and I'm generally nihilistic and apathetic that makes me ignorant? Hate and anger are the most powerful emotions a human can convey. Used properly they can be used to motivate a person to do many incredible things. Whether they are hazardous to humanity is irrelevant. Its all trial and error. The strength of people, of a society does not outweigh their flaws. Humans are still in the process of evolving into the next dimension. Much is to be learned. That is why humans are naturally weak and stupid. My dark depiction of human nature is not an attempt at grabbing attention. You see, my hypothesis is partially correct. I invoked strong emotions of resentment towards me in you. How does that make you feel? Do you want to hurt me? Deep down inside you want to cause me pain after I caused you such frustration. I can see it in your writing. You see how I manipulated you. How I played you. You were my puppet right from the beginning. This is fun. You think you understand me. Yet you failed to mention about humans having multiple personae. There is the social self and the person who you truly are inside yourself. And there are other personae as well. You value life more then me. You want a happy world and all that fairytale B.S. Wake up. This is life. War is a necessity. Hate is a necessity. Anger is a necessity. Immerse yourself in your emotions so you can learn to control them and learn to use them against people. I'm different from everyone else. I'm "free". What that means to you is irrelevant. What it means to me is truth. I realize that I'm an insignificant speck in the world. I realize that I don't run society. But I can learn to bend people in society. Education is the answer. Education to empower myself. Why? Because it feeds my ego and my personal god-complex. That, and it "amuses" me.




Just because I don't value human life and I'm generally nihilistic and apathetic that makes me ignorant? Hate and anger are the most powerful emotions a human can convey.

So can love or happiness. If you had any idea about human emotion, you would know that hate and anger are all relative terms, there is no such thing as "most powerful emotion" because it's relative to how happy, or loved one may feel.

That is why humans are naturally weak and stupid. My dark depiction of human nature is not an attempt at grabbing attention.

How can you claim that humans are naturally weak? Do you know what natural weakness is? Once again the flaw in your argument is that you don't understand that strength and weakness is all relative. Society's flaws in turn does not outweigh it's positives either, in fact i'm certain there are more goodness from society than wrongs because otherwise society becomes a dysfunctional mess. i'm not saying society works perfectly, but it's satisfactory.

I invoked strong emotions of resentment towards me in you. How does that make you feel? Do you want to hurt me? Deep down inside you want to cause me pain after I caused you such frustration.

Resentment is the wrong word, the only emotion i felt towards you was pity, i pitied your bleak view of life, to have such a melancholic view of existence is quite sad, it reminds me of somebody who's got no friends. Such loneliness. Deep down, i wanted to finish my work, but i didn't want to leave this post half done.

You value life more then me. You want a happy world and all that fairytale B.S. Wake up. This is life. War is a necessity. Hate is a necessity. Anger is a necessity.

What is the relevance of the above compilation of statements? You believe you know me just because you can repeat what i've told you? War is not a necessity, neither is anger or hatred, these things are actually often than not, the easiest and most effective solution to some problem. If you think they are necessities of life, then you have misunderstood everything you've ever learned and probably explains the perverted state of mind you have.

You were my puppet right from the beginning. This is fun.

Quite a bold claim. This whole post you've basically been telling me i don't know you and i don't know reality. Ironic that simultaneously, you have been responding to me as if you knew me, as if you knew what i'm thinking. Stop attempting to do that because you're contradicting yourself. You're the only one in the world who would find this fun, i'm certain you're disturbed, been living by yourself for too long.

You think you understand me. Yet you failed to mention about humans having multiple personae.

The "Yet" doesn't link nor does it have any relevance to the previous sentence, actually, what has multiple personae have anything to do with what we're talking about? It doesn't support ANY of your points nor does it negate ANY of mine. Waste of space.

I'm different from everyone else. I'm "free". What that means to you is irrelevant. What it means to me is truth.

You misunderstand again. I'll say it again, you lack the understanding to realise how relative things are. When you say you're different and "free", you assume you know what these terms mean, however to another and in your case most of society, you're just an insignificant fuck who no1 gives a shit about. Which comes back to my point of you having no friends.
The concept of truth is quite interesting, once again you've misunderstood the use of truth. Truth is "suppose" to be the only truth, and i'm guessing that's what you mean, but in reality, which is what you have been arguing for truth is only truth when the majority believes it's the truth. This is why the winner is always the truth, because nobody else is there to say otherwise hence it's accepted as truth. In your case, the truth is not you. You're one person. Truth is what society thinks, just because you think it's the truth, it doesn't mean it is the truth. As i said, what you believe doesn't matter. It's society that matters.

But I can learn to bend people in society. Education is the answer. Education to empower myself. Why? Because it feeds my ego and my personal god-complex. That, and it "amuses" me.

This is where i can freely say you're fucked in the head and you need to get out of your basement and enjoy the fresh air outside. Please. You can't "bend" people in society, all you're doing is taking advantage of their trust. Can you not see you've contradicted yourself? By being able to manipulate "people in society" you've just admitted that there's more honesty and trustworthiness than anger and hatred.
I don't know where you got the last bit of bullshit from but seriously, although education is a tool to better ourselves and learn, it's not something that's suppose to feed personal god complexes.

Perhaps you'd like to define what you mean by amuse? I get the impression you simply sit back and giggle at society in the corner of your basement by yourself with the lights off while staring at the ceiling.

I'd also like to add:
Stop replying you fuck, i cbf typing these long and tedious posts.
I like insulting people so i'll insult you by calling you a fuckwit and a moronice fuck.
(Oh no, i think you manipulated me, woah i'm getting bent too, shit man your education is so powerful you can manipulate AND bend me)


Being a slave to emotions makes a person weak. Knowing how to use them separates you from other people. Strength and weakness is not relative. If it were then things like racism would have died out a long time ago. Everything is reoccurring in an eternal cycle. Society, in a way, functions like a computer program. Humans may be growing but they keep repeating the same patterns. Its quite a dilemma for some people. Anyways, who are you to pity or judge anyone. If someone were to dissect your psyche they would see that your no different from anyone else in terms of human flaws and traits. I only mentioned that thing about different personae because I was trying to explain that people react differently in different situations and social groups. People live in more then one "ecosystem".As do I, I live in other places besides my house. You were just passing judgment by calling me a loner in a basement. You don't really know anything about me to make that claim. If anything you were grasping at straws when you made that assumption. Who gave you the right. Your just another self-righteous person to me. You probably have more complexity then that doesn't matter to me right now. Anyway, how do those judgmental words not carry resentment and you telling me to fuck off or something. Also you make the assumption that a twisted individual like myself can't have friends. Another judgment. However, I do have friends and they are way normal then me. So your theory didn't work out. I find that you're an arrogant person with a superiority complex. But who am I to judge because I suffer from a similar affliction. Hey I'm an honest guy about my flaws. The only relative truth is that there is no absolute truth. Nothing in life is certain except for the reoccurring patterns that society follows. But there is more to it then that. War is a necessity. There is big business and money to be made off of it. We're human we work with what we have. You just have to use it properly and not abuse it. I didn't contradict myself. Its not trust that makes people easy to manipulate. Its that people are naive. Some people are willing to accept any kind of tripe if it agrees with what they adamantly believe in. I just like learning new things because its fun. Its sort like a hobby.
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angelseraphim wrote:


echo123456 wrote:


angelseraphim wrote:


echo123456 wrote:


angelseraphim wrote:


echo123456 wrote:


angelseraphim wrote:


echo123456 wrote:


rhynny wrote:

^ that's the american perspective. Japanese death toll was more like 600,000 civilians and 2 million military.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

all other countries in asia lost bout 12.5 million civillians. china alone lost 7 million and indonesia 4 million. if ur talking about civilian deaths, Japan did get off lightly.







Not to mention how those deaths came about. Not to mention their crimes against humanity. Not to mention their constant denial and refusal to accept responsibility (i'm not talking about just reparations). Not to mention their false pride. Not to mention their insane mentality and idea of hierarchy(which goes against all morals). Not to mention their injustice.
AND they still think they're the ones who were disadvantaged. I do know that, if America chose to invade mainland, there would have been more than 1 million Japanese civilian casualties, 500 thousand US casualties. During the final months, the Imperial Japanese Army, were teaching the civilians to fight until every last one of them is dead- never surrender because the military told it's citizens that Americans will :
torture them
kill their families
put them into slavery
kill the emperor
All in all, America's big boys actually did a favour to the rest of the world by instigating the unconditional surrender of the Imperial Jap Army.
As for everything the japs did, it's unforgivable. At least the Nazi Germany admitted their mistakes and sincerely reforming, the Japanese (at least the ones in government) still think their actions were justified and thus even refuse to admit their atrocities. Even now, there are politicians who think their entire involvement in WWII is a fabrication. The fact that Japanese text books don't even mention things like Nanjing, Pearl and human experimentation, shows their lack of respect to other humans. A truly selfish and sub-human mindset. Despicable.


Boo hoo. Cry me a river. I'm not saying that your information is incorrect. It may exaggerated but honorable men may differ. My point is who cares. People die. War, crime, disease. No matter how noble or how despicable people are, they all die. I don't mean to be an ass but your ranting is irrelevant because we are all gonna die. Death puts everything into perspective and makes everything pointless. So what does it matter.


What does it matter? What do you mean what does it matter, if death makes everything pointless then why do you even bother living? According to you, dying right now and dying in 80 years is the same thing.
Life may be worthless to you, but i'm sure the majority out in the world would view life a wonderful thing.
So what does it matter? It matters because some things just ruin life and cause suffering. It matters because life is what society and the world is, without it, there is no existence.
The issue is not whether death matters or not, because i know realistically nobody truly cares about the deaths of randoms that they don't know, however what matters is that you don't insult those who do care by denying them of the truth.
I understand that your ignorant, but don't assume everybody is naive and indifferent like you.


I'm not ignorant. I just don't care about society's woes. You think you're any better. You're a murderer just like every other murderer. I can prove it. I bet you hate me right now. I bet deep down inside you want to kill me after stirred up such strong emotions in you. You can deny it. But its in your nature. The only thing that separates you and everyone else from the murderers is potential. I bet if push came to shove even the most altruistic and benevolent person can create such terrible atrocities. People are fragile, foolish, violent creatures. So easy to manipulate. So easy to break. And you think you're better then the murderers. If you were better then you would be able to surpass your human flaws. But you can't. The sad truth is that this is the pinnacle of humanity. As long as there are humans there will be always be war. The reason I choose to live is because this existence is very amusing. War mongers are amusing. Self righteous pricks are amusing. Religious hopefuls are amusing. Its all one big pointless joke. Hey at least I'm laughing.


I have no doubt now you are indeed ignorant. You have no idea about the value of life, you have no idea about anything concerning other people, your ignorance lies in the fact that you claimed to have summarised human nature. Sadly, you are wrong. Hate doesn't exist until you've felt it and where there's flaws, there are strengths.
Your dark depiction of human nature is nothing but a pitiful attempt at grabbing attention. I find it hard to believe that anybody is actually as warped and twisted as you, to be honest, i don't believe your justification for living at all.
If your purpose of living is to be amused by existence, then you're nothing more than a vegetable. An isolated loner who's been living in a basement too long. If you truly believe what you just posted, then you've wasted your existence. Gonna ask "who are you to judge?" I am someone who obviously values life more than you, I deserve to have a word about an unappreciative naive boy who needs to climb out of his box and see the outside world.
I think everybody in the community can agree that there's more to life than just being manipulated, murderous and feeble. As long as there is a future, there is hope (quite literally).
Unfortunately for you, life is not one pointless joke, i don't see everybody laughing when war breaks out, i don't everybody crackling when the world economy crashes, nor do i see people laughing in disease and famine.
The bottom line is, it doesn't matter whether you care about society's woes or not, society is like a storm, if you care, you'll be ready for it, tucked the cattle in safety sheds, and have your roof reinforced, if you don't care, the only one who ends up homeless and injured, is you. Regardless whether you care or not, society wins. Because you are nothing. You don't run society, society runs you.


Just because I don't value human life and I'm generally nihilistic and apathetic that makes me ignorant? Hate and anger are the most powerful emotions a human can convey. Used properly they can be used to motivate a person to do many incredible things. Whether they are hazardous to humanity is irrelevant. Its all trial and error. The strength of people, of a society does not outweigh their flaws. Humans are still in the process of evolving into the next dimension. Much is to be learned. That is why humans are naturally weak and stupid. My dark depiction of human nature is not an attempt at grabbing attention. You see, my hypothesis is partially correct. I invoked strong emotions of resentment towards me in you. How does that make you feel? Do you want to hurt me? Deep down inside you want to cause me pain after I caused you such frustration. I can see it in your writing. You see how I manipulated you. How I played you. You were my puppet right from the beginning. This is fun. You think you understand me. Yet you failed to mention about humans having multiple personae. There is the social self and the person who you truly are inside yourself. And there are other personae as well. You value life more then me. You want a happy world and all that fairytale B.S. Wake up. This is life. War is a necessity. Hate is a necessity. Anger is a necessity. Immerse yourself in your emotions so you can learn to control them and learn to use them against people. I'm different from everyone else. I'm "free". What that means to you is irrelevant. What it means to me is truth. I realize that I'm an insignificant speck in the world. I realize that I don't run society. But I can learn to bend people in society. Education is the answer. Education to empower myself. Why? Because it feeds my ego and my personal god-complex. That, and it "amuses" me.




Just because I don't value human life and I'm generally nihilistic and apathetic that makes me ignorant? Hate and anger are the most powerful emotions a human can convey.

So can love or happiness. If you had any idea about human emotion, you would know that hate and anger are all relative terms, there is no such thing as "most powerful emotion" because it's relative to how happy, or loved one may feel.

That is why humans are naturally weak and stupid. My dark depiction of human nature is not an attempt at grabbing attention.

How can you claim that humans are naturally weak? Do you know what natural weakness is? Once again the flaw in your argument is that you don't understand that strength and weakness is all relative. Society's flaws in turn does not outweigh it's positives either, in fact i'm certain there are more goodness from society than wrongs because otherwise society becomes a dysfunctional mess. i'm not saying society works perfectly, but it's satisfactory.

I invoked strong emotions of resentment towards me in you. How does that make you feel? Do you want to hurt me? Deep down inside you want to cause me pain after I caused you such frustration.

Resentment is the wrong word, the only emotion i felt towards you was pity, i pitied your bleak view of life, to have such a melancholic view of existence is quite sad, it reminds me of somebody who's got no friends. Such loneliness. Deep down, i wanted to finish my work, but i didn't want to leave this post half done.

You value life more then me. You want a happy world and all that fairytale B.S. Wake up. This is life. War is a necessity. Hate is a necessity. Anger is a necessity.

What is the relevance of the above compilation of statements? You believe you know me just because you can repeat what i've told you? War is not a necessity, neither is anger or hatred, these things are actually often than not, the easiest and most effective solution to some problem. If you think they are necessities of life, then you have misunderstood everything you've ever learned and probably explains the perverted state of mind you have.

You were my puppet right from the beginning. This is fun.

Quite a bold claim. This whole post you've basically been telling me i don't know you and i don't know reality. Ironic that simultaneously, you have been responding to me as if you knew me, as if you knew what i'm thinking. Stop attempting to do that because you're contradicting yourself. You're the only one in the world who would find this fun, i'm certain you're disturbed, been living by yourself for too long.

You think you understand me. Yet you failed to mention about humans having multiple personae.

The "Yet" doesn't link nor does it have any relevance to the previous sentence, actually, what has multiple personae have anything to do with what we're talking about? It doesn't support ANY of your points nor does it negate ANY of mine. Waste of space.

I'm different from everyone else. I'm "free". What that means to you is irrelevant. What it means to me is truth.

You misunderstand again. I'll say it again, you lack the understanding to realise how relative things are. When you say you're different and "free", you assume you know what these terms mean, however to another and in your case most of society, you're just an insignificant fuck who no1 gives a shit about. Which comes back to my point of you having no friends.
The concept of truth is quite interesting, once again you've misunderstood the use of truth. Truth is "suppose" to be the only truth, and i'm guessing that's what you mean, but in reality, which is what you have been arguing for truth is only truth when the majority believes it's the truth. This is why the winner is always the truth, because nobody else is there to say otherwise hence it's accepted as truth. In your case, the truth is not you. You're one person. Truth is what society thinks, just because you think it's the truth, it doesn't mean it is the truth. As i said, what you believe doesn't matter. It's society that matters.

But I can learn to bend people in society. Education is the answer. Education to empower myself. Why? Because it feeds my ego and my personal god-complex. That, and it "amuses" me.

This is where i can freely say you're fucked in the head and you need to get out of your basement and enjoy the fresh air outside. Please. You can't "bend" people in society, all you're doing is taking advantage of their trust. Can you not see you've contradicted yourself? By being able to manipulate "people in society" you've just admitted that there's more honesty and trustworthiness than anger and hatred.
I don't know where you got the last bit of bullshit from but seriously, although education is a tool to better ourselves and learn, it's not something that's suppose to feed personal god complexes.

Perhaps you'd like to define what you mean by amuse? I get the impression you simply sit back and giggle at society in the corner of your basement by yourself with the lights off while staring at the ceiling.

I'd also like to add:
Stop replying you fuck, i cbf typing these long and tedious posts.
I like insulting people so i'll insult you by calling you a fuckwit and a moronice fuck.
(Oh no, i think you manipulated me, woah i'm getting bent too, shit man your education is so powerful you can manipulate AND bend me)


Being a slave to emotions makes a person weak. Knowing how to use them separates you from other people. Strength and weakness is not relative. If it were then things like racism would have died out a long time ago. Everything is reoccurring in an eternal cycle. Society, in a way, functions like a computer program. Humans may be growing but they keep repeating the same patterns. Its quite a dilemma for some people. Anyways, who are you to pity or judge anyone. If someone were to dissect your psyche they would see that your no different from anyone else in terms of human flaws and traits. I only mentioned that thing about different personae because I was trying to explain that people react differently in different situations and social groups. People live in more then one "ecosystem".As do I, I live in other places besides my house. You were just passing judgment by calling me a loner in a basement. You don't really know anything about me to make that claim. If anything you were grasping at straws when you made that assumption. Who gave you the right. Your just another self-righteous person to me. You probably have more complexity then that doesn't matter to me right now. Anyway, how do those judgmental words not carry resentment and you telling me to fuck off or something. Also you make the assumption that a twisted individual like myself can't have friends. Another judgment. However, I do have friends and they are way normal then me. So your theory didn't work out. I find that you're an arrogant person with a superiority complex. But who am I to judge because I suffer from a similar affliction. Hey I'm an honest guy about my flaws. The only relative truth is that there is no absolute truth. Nothing in life is certain except for the reoccurring patterns that society follows. But there is more to it then that. War is a necessity. There is big business and money to be made off of it. We're human we work with what we have. You just have to use it properly and not abuse it. I didn't contradict myself. Its not trust that makes people easy to manipulate. Its that people are naive. Some people are willing to accept any kind of tripe if it agrees with what they adamantly believe in. I just like learning new things because its fun. Its sort like a hobby.


I couldn't be fucked reading that slab of text you spammed so i'll read it another day. Whatever is in the content, i disagree and am pretty sure it's a load of nonsense from a twisted loner who's never seen the outside of his basement.
But really, you have a inferiority complex regarding human nature, you should enlighten yourself first then perhaps life won't appear to be so one dimensional.

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echo123456 wrote:


angelseraphim wrote:


echo123456 wrote:


angelseraphim wrote:


echo123456 wrote:


angelseraphim wrote:


echo123456 wrote:


angelseraphim wrote:


echo123456 wrote:


rhynny wrote:

^ that's the american perspective. Japanese death toll was more like 600,000 civilians and 2 million military.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

all other countries in asia lost bout 12.5 million civillians. china alone lost 7 million and indonesia 4 million. if ur talking about civilian deaths, Japan did get off lightly.







Not to mention how those deaths came about. Not to mention their crimes against humanity. Not to mention their constant denial and refusal to accept responsibility (i'm not talking about just reparations). Not to mention their false pride. Not to mention their insane mentality and idea of hierarchy(which goes against all morals). Not to mention their injustice.
AND they still think they're the ones who were disadvantaged. I do know that, if America chose to invade mainland, there would have been more than 1 million Japanese civilian casualties, 500 thousand US casualties. During the final months, the Imperial Japanese Army, were teaching the civilians to fight until every last one of them is dead- never surrender because the military told it's citizens that Americans will :
torture them
kill their families
put them into slavery
kill the emperor
All in all, America's big boys actually did a favour to the rest of the world by instigating the unconditional surrender of the Imperial Jap Army.
As for everything the japs did, it's unforgivable. At least the Nazi Germany admitted their mistakes and sincerely reforming, the Japanese (at least the ones in government) still think their actions were justified and thus even refuse to admit their atrocities. Even now, there are politicians who think their entire involvement in WWII is a fabrication. The fact that Japanese text books don't even mention things like Nanjing, Pearl and human experimentation, shows their lack of respect to other humans. A truly selfish and sub-human mindset. Despicable.


Boo hoo. Cry me a river. I'm not saying that your information is incorrect. It may exaggerated but honorable men may differ. My point is who cares. People die. War, crime, disease. No matter how noble or how despicable people are, they all die. I don't mean to be an ass but your ranting is irrelevant because we are all gonna die. Death puts everything into perspective and makes everything pointless. So what does it matter.


What does it matter? What do you mean what does it matter, if death makes everything pointless then why do you even bother living? According to you, dying right now and dying in 80 years is the same thing.
Life may be worthless to you, but i'm sure the majority out in the world would view life a wonderful thing.
So what does it matter? It matters because some things just ruin life and cause suffering. It matters because life is what society and the world is, without it, there is no existence.
The issue is not whether death matters or not, because i know realistically nobody truly cares about the deaths of randoms that they don't know, however what matters is that you don't insult those who do care by denying them of the truth.
I understand that your ignorant, but don't assume everybody is naive and indifferent like you.


I'm not ignorant. I just don't care about society's woes. You think you're any better. You're a murderer just like every other murderer. I can prove it. I bet you hate me right now. I bet deep down inside you want to kill me after stirred up such strong emotions in you. You can deny it. But its in your nature. The only thing that separates you and everyone else from the murderers is potential. I bet if push came to shove even the most altruistic and benevolent person can create such terrible atrocities. People are fragile, foolish, violent creatures. So easy to manipulate. So easy to break. And you think you're better then the murderers. If you were better then you would be able to surpass your human flaws. But you can't. The sad truth is that this is the pinnacle of humanity. As long as there are humans there will be always be war. The reason I choose to live is because this existence is very amusing. War mongers are amusing. Self righteous pricks are amusing. Religious hopefuls are amusing. Its all one big pointless joke. Hey at least I'm laughing.


I have no doubt now you are indeed ignorant. You have no idea about the value of life, you have no idea about anything concerning other people, your ignorance lies in the fact that you claimed to have summarised human nature. Sadly, you are wrong. Hate doesn't exist until you've felt it and where there's flaws, there are strengths.
Your dark depiction of human nature is nothing but a pitiful attempt at grabbing attention. I find it hard to believe that anybody is actually as warped and twisted as you, to be honest, i don't believe your justification for living at all.
If your purpose of living is to be amused by existence, then you're nothing more than a vegetable. An isolated loner who's been living in a basement too long. If you truly believe what you just posted, then you've wasted your existence. Gonna ask "who are you to judge?" I am someone who obviously values life more than you, I deserve to have a word about an unappreciative naive boy who needs to climb out of his box and see the outside world.
I think everybody in the community can agree that there's more to life than just being manipulated, murderous and feeble. As long as there is a future, there is hope (quite literally).
Unfortunately for you, life is not one pointless joke, i don't see everybody laughing when war breaks out, i don't everybody crackling when the world economy crashes, nor do i see people laughing in disease and famine.
The bottom line is, it doesn't matter whether you care about society's woes or not, society is like a storm, if you care, you'll be ready for it, tucked the cattle in safety sheds, and have your roof reinforced, if you don't care, the only one who ends up homeless and injured, is you. Regardless whether you care or not, society wins. Because you are nothing. You don't run society, society runs you.


Just because I don't value human life and I'm generally nihilistic and apathetic that makes me ignorant? Hate and anger are the most powerful emotions a human can convey. Used properly they can be used to motivate a person to do many incredible things. Whether they are hazardous to humanity is irrelevant. Its all trial and error. The strength of people, of a society does not outweigh their flaws. Humans are still in the process of evolving into the next dimension. Much is to be learned. That is why humans are naturally weak and stupid. My dark depiction of human nature is not an attempt at grabbing attention. You see, my hypothesis is partially correct. I invoked strong emotions of resentment towards me in you. How does that make you feel? Do you want to hurt me? Deep down inside you want to cause me pain after I caused you such frustration. I can see it in your writing. You see how I manipulated you. How I played you. You were my puppet right from the beginning. This is fun. You think you understand me. Yet you failed to mention about humans having multiple personae. There is the social self and the person who you truly are inside yourself. And there are other personae as well. You value life more then me. You want a happy world and all that fairytale B.S. Wake up. This is life. War is a necessity. Hate is a necessity. Anger is a necessity. Immerse yourself in your emotions so you can learn to control them and learn to use them against people. I'm different from everyone else. I'm "free". What that means to you is irrelevant. What it means to me is truth. I realize that I'm an insignificant speck in the world. I realize that I don't run society. But I can learn to bend people in society. Education is the answer. Education to empower myself. Why? Because it feeds my ego and my personal god-complex. That, and it "amuses" me.




Just because I don't value human life and I'm generally nihilistic and apathetic that makes me ignorant? Hate and anger are the most powerful emotions a human can convey.

So can love or happiness. If you had any idea about human emotion, you would know that hate and anger are all relative terms, there is no such thing as "most powerful emotion" because it's relative to how happy, or loved one may feel.

That is why humans are naturally weak and stupid. My dark depiction of human nature is not an attempt at grabbing attention.

How can you claim that humans are naturally weak? Do you know what natural weakness is? Once again the flaw in your argument is that you don't understand that strength and weakness is all relative. Society's flaws in turn does not outweigh it's positives either, in fact i'm certain there are more goodness from society than wrongs because otherwise society becomes a dysfunctional mess. i'm not saying society works perfectly, but it's satisfactory.

I invoked strong emotions of resentment towards me in you. How does that make you feel? Do you want to hurt me? Deep down inside you want to cause me pain after I caused you such frustration.

Resentment is the wrong word, the only emotion i felt towards you was pity, i pitied your bleak view of life, to have such a melancholic view of existence is quite sad, it reminds me of somebody who's got no friends. Such loneliness. Deep down, i wanted to finish my work, but i didn't want to leave this post half done.

You value life more then me. You want a happy world and all that fairytale B.S. Wake up. This is life. War is a necessity. Hate is a necessity. Anger is a necessity.

What is the relevance of the above compilation of statements? You believe you know me just because you can repeat what i've told you? War is not a necessity, neither is anger or hatred, these things are actually often than not, the easiest and most effective solution to some problem. If you think they are necessities of life, then you have misunderstood everything you've ever learned and probably explains the perverted state of mind you have.

You were my puppet right from the beginning. This is fun.

Quite a bold claim. This whole post you've basically been telling me i don't know you and i don't know reality. Ironic that simultaneously, you have been responding to me as if you knew me, as if you knew what i'm thinking. Stop attempting to do that because you're contradicting yourself. You're the only one in the world who would find this fun, i'm certain you're disturbed, been living by yourself for too long.

You think you understand me. Yet you failed to mention about humans having multiple personae.

The "Yet" doesn't link nor does it have any relevance to the previous sentence, actually, what has multiple personae have anything to do with what we're talking about? It doesn't support ANY of your points nor does it negate ANY of mine. Waste of space.

I'm different from everyone else. I'm "free". What that means to you is irrelevant. What it means to me is truth.

You misunderstand again. I'll say it again, you lack the understanding to realise how relative things are. When you say you're different and "free", you assume you know what these terms mean, however to another and in your case most of society, you're just an insignificant fuck who no1 gives a shit about. Which comes back to my point of you having no friends.
The concept of truth is quite interesting, once again you've misunderstood the use of truth. Truth is "suppose" to be the only truth, and i'm guessing that's what you mean, but in reality, which is what you have been arguing for truth is only truth when the majority believes it's the truth. This is why the winner is always the truth, because nobody else is there to say otherwise hence it's accepted as truth. In your case, the truth is not you. You're one person. Truth is what society thinks, just because you think it's the truth, it doesn't mean it is the truth. As i said, what you believe doesn't matter. It's society that matters.

But I can learn to bend people in society. Education is the answer. Education to empower myself. Why? Because it feeds my ego and my personal god-complex. That, and it "amuses" me.

This is where i can freely say you're fucked in the head and you need to get out of your basement and enjoy the fresh air outside. Please. You can't "bend" people in society, all you're doing is taking advantage of their trust. Can you not see you've contradicted yourself? By being able to manipulate "people in society" you've just admitted that there's more honesty and trustworthiness than anger and hatred.
I don't know where you got the last bit of bullshit from but seriously, although education is a tool to better ourselves and learn, it's not something that's suppose to feed personal god complexes.

Perhaps you'd like to define what you mean by amuse? I get the impression you simply sit back and giggle at society in the corner of your basement by yourself with the lights off while staring at the ceiling.

I'd also like to add:
Stop replying you fuck, i cbf typing these long and tedious posts.
I like insulting people so i'll insult you by calling you a fuckwit and a moronice fuck.
(Oh no, i think you manipulated me, woah i'm getting bent too, shit man your education is so powerful you can manipulate AND bend me)


Being a slave to emotions makes a person weak. Knowing how to use them separates you from other people. Strength and weakness is not relative. If it were then things like racism would have died out a long time ago. Everything is reoccurring in an eternal cycle. Society, in a way, functions like a computer program. Humans may be growing but they keep repeating the same patterns. Its quite a dilemma for some people. Anyways, who are you to pity or judge anyone. If someone were to dissect your psyche they would see that your no different from anyone else in terms of human flaws and traits. I only mentioned that thing about different personae because I was trying to explain that people react differently in different situations and social groups. People live in more then one "ecosystem".As do I, I live in other places besides my house. You were just passing judgment by calling me a loner in a basement. You don't really know anything about me to make that claim. If anything you were grasping at straws when you made that assumption. Who gave you the right. Your just another self-righteous person to me. You probably have more complexity then that doesn't matter to me right now. Anyway, how do those judgmental words not carry resentment and you telling me to fuck off or something. Also you make the assumption that a twisted individual like myself can't have friends. Another judgment. However, I do have friends and they are way normal then me. So your theory didn't work out. I find that you're an arrogant person with a superiority complex. But who am I to judge because I suffer from a similar affliction. Hey I'm an honest guy about my flaws. The only relative truth is that there is no absolute truth. Nothing in life is certain except for the reoccurring patterns that society follows. But there is more to it then that. War is a necessity. There is big business and money to be made off of it. We're human we work with what we have. You just have to use it properly and not abuse it. I didn't contradict myself. Its not trust that makes people easy to manipulate. Its that people are naive. Some people are willing to accept any kind of tripe if it agrees with what they adamantly believe in. I just like learning new things because its fun. Its sort like a hobby.


I couldn't be fucked reading that slab of text you spammed so i'll read it another day. Whatever is in the content, i disagree and am pretty sure it's a load of nonsense from a twisted loner who's never seen the outside of his basement.
But really, you have a inferiority complex regarding human nature, you should enlighten yourself first then perhaps life won't appear to be so one dimensional.



Maybe you should read it because now you're confirming my statement of calling you arrogant. Acting like you can't be bothered to read my statement. Or maybe I'm wrong and you're actually busy with something. Whatever. Since you wanna quit then there is really no point. I thought you'd have a little more fight in you. Ces la vie. Good bye.
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^ that's the american perspective. Japanese death toll was more like 600,000 civilians and 2 million military.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

all other countries in asia lost bout 12.5 million civillians. china alone lost 7 million and indonesia 4 million. if ur talking about civilian deaths, Japan did get off lightly.







Not to mention how those deaths came about. Not to mention their crimes against humanity. Not to mention their constant denial and refusal to accept responsibility (i'm not talking about just reparations). Not to mention their false pride. Not to mention their insane mentality and idea of hierarchy(which goes against all morals). Not to mention their injustice.
AND they still think they're the ones who were disadvantaged. I do know that, if America chose to invade mainland, there would have been more than 1 million Japanese civilian casualties, 500 thousand US casualties. During the final months, the Imperial Japanese Army, were teaching the civilians to fight until every last one of them is dead- never surrender because the military told it's citizens that Americans will :
torture them
kill their families
put them into slavery
kill the emperor
All in all, America's big boys actually did a favour to the rest of the world by instigating the unconditional surrender of the Imperial Jap Army.
As for everything the japs did, it's unforgivable. At least the Nazi Germany admitted their mistakes and sincerely reforming, the Japanese (at least the ones in government) still think their actions were justified and thus even refuse to admit their atrocities. Even now, there are politicians who think their entire involvement in WWII is a fabrication. The fact that Japanese text books don't even mention things like Nanjing, Pearl and human experimentation, shows their lack of respect to other humans. A truly selfish and sub-human mindset. Despicable.


Boo hoo. Cry me a river. I'm not saying that your information is incorrect. It may exaggerated but honorable men may differ. My point is who cares. People die. War, crime, disease. No matter how noble or how despicable people are, they all die. I don't mean to be an ass but your ranting is irrelevant because we are all gonna die. Death puts everything into perspective and makes everything pointless. So what does it matter.


What does it matter? What do you mean what does it matter, if death makes everything pointless then why do you even bother living? According to you, dying right now and dying in 80 years is the same thing.
Life may be worthless to you, but i'm sure the majority out in the world would view life a wonderful thing.
So what does it matter? It matters because some things just ruin life and cause suffering. It matters because life is what society and the world is, without it, there is no existence.
The issue is not whether death matters or not, because i know realistically nobody truly cares about the deaths of randoms that they don't know, however what matters is that you don't insult those who do care by denying them of the truth.
I understand that your ignorant, but don't assume everybody is naive and indifferent like you.


I'm not ignorant. I just don't care about society's woes. You think you're any better. You're a murderer just like every other murderer. I can prove it. I bet you hate me right now. I bet deep down inside you want to kill me after stirred up such strong emotions in you. You can deny it. But its in your nature. The only thing that separates you and everyone else from the murderers is potential. I bet if push came to shove even the most altruistic and benevolent person can create such terrible atrocities. People are fragile, foolish, violent creatures. So easy to manipulate. So easy to break. And you think you're better then the murderers. If you were better then you would be able to surpass your human flaws. But you can't. The sad truth is that this is the pinnacle of humanity. As long as there are humans there will be always be war. The reason I choose to live is because this existence is very amusing. War mongers are amusing. Self righteous pricks are amusing. Religious hopefuls are amusing. Its all one big pointless joke. Hey at least I'm laughing.


I have no doubt now you are indeed ignorant. You have no idea about the value of life, you have no idea about anything concerning other people, your ignorance lies in the fact that you claimed to have summarised human nature. Sadly, you are wrong. Hate doesn't exist until you've felt it and where there's flaws, there are strengths.
Your dark depiction of human nature is nothing but a pitiful attempt at grabbing attention. I find it hard to believe that anybody is actually as warped and twisted as you, to be honest, i don't believe your justification for living at all.
If your purpose of living is to be amused by existence, then you're nothing more than a vegetable. An isolated loner who's been living in a basement too long. If you truly believe what you just posted, then you've wasted your existence. Gonna ask "who are you to judge?" I am someone who obviously values life more than you, I deserve to have a word about an unappreciative naive boy who needs to climb out of his box and see the outside world.
I think everybody in the community can agree that there's more to life than just being manipulated, murderous and feeble. As long as there is a future, there is hope (quite literally).
Unfortunately for you, life is not one pointless joke, i don't see everybody laughing when war breaks out, i don't everybody crackling when the world economy crashes, nor do i see people laughing in disease and famine.
The bottom line is, it doesn't matter whether you care about society's woes or not, society is like a storm, if you care, you'll be ready for it, tucked the cattle in safety sheds, and have your roof reinforced, if you don't care, the only one who ends up homeless and injured, is you. Regardless whether you care or not, society wins. Because you are nothing. You don't run society, society runs you.


Just because I don't value human life and I'm generally nihilistic and apathetic that makes me ignorant? Hate and anger are the most powerful emotions a human can convey. Used properly they can be used to motivate a person to do many incredible things. Whether they are hazardous to humanity is irrelevant. Its all trial and error. The strength of people, of a society does not outweigh their flaws. Humans are still in the process of evolving into the next dimension. Much is to be learned. That is why humans are naturally weak and stupid. My dark depiction of human nature is not an attempt at grabbing attention. You see, my hypothesis is partially correct. I invoked strong emotions of resentment towards me in you. How does that make you feel? Do you want to hurt me? Deep down inside you want to cause me pain after I caused you such frustration. I can see it in your writing. You see how I manipulated you. How I played you. You were my puppet right from the beginning. This is fun. You think you understand me. Yet you failed to mention about humans having multiple personae. There is the social self and the person who you truly are inside yourself. And there are other personae as well. You value life more then me. You want a happy world and all that fairytale B.S. Wake up. This is life. War is a necessity. Hate is a necessity. Anger is a necessity. Immerse yourself in your emotions so you can learn to control them and learn to use them against people. I'm different from everyone else. I'm "free". What that means to you is irrelevant. What it means to me is truth. I realize that I'm an insignificant speck in the world. I realize that I don't run society. But I can learn to bend people in society. Education is the answer. Education to empower myself. Why? Because it feeds my ego and my personal god-complex. That, and it "amuses" me.




Just because I don't value human life and I'm generally nihilistic and apathetic that makes me ignorant? Hate and anger are the most powerful emotions a human can convey.

So can love or happiness. If you had any idea about human emotion, you would know that hate and anger are all relative terms, there is no such thing as "most powerful emotion" because it's relative to how happy, or loved one may feel.

That is why humans are naturally weak and stupid. My dark depiction of human nature is not an attempt at grabbing attention.

How can you claim that humans are naturally weak? Do you know what natural weakness is? Once again the flaw in your argument is that you don't understand that strength and weakness is all relative. Society's flaws in turn does not outweigh it's positives either, in fact i'm certain there are more goodness from society than wrongs because otherwise society becomes a dysfunctional mess. i'm not saying society works perfectly, but it's satisfactory.

I invoked strong emotions of resentment towards me in you. How does that make you feel? Do you want to hurt me? Deep down inside you want to cause me pain after I caused you such frustration.

Resentment is the wrong word, the only emotion i felt towards you was pity, i pitied your bleak view of life, to have such a melancholic view of existence is quite sad, it reminds me of somebody who's got no friends. Such loneliness. Deep down, i wanted to finish my work, but i didn't want to leave this post half done.

You value life more then me. You want a happy world and all that fairytale B.S. Wake up. This is life. War is a necessity. Hate is a necessity. Anger is a necessity.

What is the relevance of the above compilation of statements? You believe you know me just because you can repeat what i've told you? War is not a necessity, neither is anger or hatred, these things are actually often than not, the easiest and most effective solution to some problem. If you think they are necessities of life, then you have misunderstood everything you've ever learned and probably explains the perverted state of mind you have.

You were my puppet right from the beginning. This is fun.

Quite a bold claim. This whole post you've basically been telling me i don't know you and i don't know reality. Ironic that simultaneously, you have been responding to me as if you knew me, as if you knew what i'm thinking. Stop attempting to do that because you're contradicting yourself. You're the only one in the world who would find this fun, i'm certain you're disturbed, been living by yourself for too long.

You think you understand me. Yet you failed to mention about humans having multiple personae.

The "Yet" doesn't link nor does it have any relevance to the previous sentence, actually, what has multiple personae have anything to do with what we're talking about? It doesn't support ANY of your points nor does it negate ANY of mine. Waste of space.

I'm different from everyone else. I'm "free". What that means to you is irrelevant. What it means to me is truth.

You misunderstand again. I'll say it again, you lack the understanding to realise how relative things are. When you say you're different and "free", you assume you know what these terms mean, however to another and in your case most of society, you're just an insignificant fuck who no1 gives a shit about. Which comes back to my point of you having no friends.
The concept of truth is quite interesting, once again you've misunderstood the use of truth. Truth is "suppose" to be the only truth, and i'm guessing that's what you mean, but in reality, which is what you have been arguing for truth is only truth when the majority believes it's the truth. This is why the winner is always the truth, because nobody else is there to say otherwise hence it's accepted as truth. In your case, the truth is not you. You're one person. Truth is what society thinks, just because you think it's the truth, it doesn't mean it is the truth. As i said, what you believe doesn't matter. It's society that matters.

But I can learn to bend people in society. Education is the answer. Education to empower myself. Why? Because it feeds my ego and my personal god-complex. That, and it "amuses" me.

This is where i can freely say you're fucked in the head and you need to get out of your basement and enjoy the fresh air outside. Please. You can't "bend" people in society, all you're doing is taking advantage of their trust. Can you not see you've contradicted yourself? By being able to manipulate "people in society" you've just admitted that there's more honesty and trustworthiness than anger and hatred.
I don't know where you got the last bit of bullshit from but seriously, although education is a tool to better ourselves and learn, it's not something that's suppose to feed personal god complexes.

Perhaps you'd like to define what you mean by amuse? I get the impression you simply sit back and giggle at society in the corner of your basement by yourself with the lights off while staring at the ceiling.

I'd also like to add:
Stop replying you fuck, i cbf typing these long and tedious posts.
I like insulting people so i'll insult you by calling you a fuckwit and a moronice fuck.
(Oh no, i think you manipulated me, woah i'm getting bent too, shit man your education is so powerful you can manipulate AND bend me)


Being a slave to emotions makes a person weak. Knowing how to use them separates you from other people. Strength and weakness is not relative. If it were then things like racism would have died out a long time ago. Everything is reoccurring in an eternal cycle. Society, in a way, functions like a computer program. Humans may be growing but they keep repeating the same patterns. Its quite a dilemma for some people. Anyways, who are you to pity or judge anyone. If someone were to dissect your psyche they would see that your no different from anyone else in terms of human flaws and traits. I only mentioned that thing about different personae because I was trying to explain that people react differently in different situations and social groups. People live in more then one "ecosystem".As do I, I live in other places besides my house. You were just passing judgment by calling me a loner in a basement. You don't really know anything about me to make that claim. If anything you were grasping at straws when you made that assumption. Who gave you the right. Your just another self-righteous person to me. You probably have more complexity then that doesn't matter to me right now. Anyway, how do those judgmental words not carry resentment and you telling me to fuck off or something. Also you make the assumption that a twisted individual like myself can't have friends. Another judgment. However, I do have friends and they are way normal then me. So your theory didn't work out. I find that you're an arrogant person with a superiority complex. But who am I to judge because I suffer from a similar affliction. Hey I'm an honest guy about my flaws. The only relative truth is that there is no absolute truth. Nothing in life is certain except for the reoccurring patterns that society follows. But there is more to it then that. War is a necessity. There is big business and money to be made off of it. We're human we work with what we have. You just have to use it properly and not abuse it. I didn't contradict myself. Its not trust that makes people easy to manipulate. Its that people are naive. Some people are willing to accept any kind of tripe if it agrees with what they adamantly believe in. I just like learning new things because its fun. Its sort like a hobby.


I couldn't be fucked reading that slab of text you spammed so i'll read it another day. Whatever is in the content, i disagree and am pretty sure it's a load of nonsense from a twisted loner who's never seen the outside of his basement.
But really, you have a inferiority complex regarding human nature, you should enlighten yourself first then perhaps life won't appear to be so one dimensional.



Maybe you should read it because now you're confirming my statement of calling you arrogant. Acting like you can't be bothered to read my statement. Or maybe I'm wrong and you're actually busy with something. Whatever. Since you wanna quit then there is really no point. I thought you'd have a little more fight in you. Ces la vie. Good bye.


I can't be bothered reading it because at the time i had something to do, and since you appear to be so judgmental , there is no point in me reading it now because your rigid views refuses to accept what i'm saying.

I thought you'd have a little more fight in you. Ces la vie. Good bye.

What the hell do you think this is? A duel? Grow up kid, not everything's as one dimensional as winning or losing, if it was life would be simpler.
Posted 10/20/08
Wow, uhhh, trim the convo if there are bits that don't apply, or atleast hide it as a spoiler

I think the military relationship between the US and Japan is interesting. Last I heard the states charge Japan to let them have their bases when rent payments are usually made the other way around. Japan lacks nuclear capability (for political and not technological reasons, heh heh) yet there are a number of American owned nuclear devices within Japanese waters. As much as war is to be deplored, it must be a bit spooky to be a country surrounded by countries that share bad blood, with your only ally being one of the least predictable countries in existence.
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