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Hmmm, I thought you would take my bait, since you seem to know the most about metal around here.

First, I would like to point out a couple of things:

1) Take posts that I say that contain the word "lol" with a grain of salt. I never use "lol" on message boards unless I'm trying to be humorous by parodying people who *do* use "lol" when they have the time to make a suitable response. I said expert, but maybe I should have used a different choice of words. Maybe I should have said something else that would have further implied that I am posting on an anime forum, not a metal message board.

2) Take posts that have extraneous "z"'s in them with a grain of salt. Same reason as above.

3) "Internets is serious business".

4) I may be 18, but using the "age" argument against people doesn't always work. I've met my share of 24 year olds that have behaved like infants, as well. I'm not implying you are; on the contrary, your response has quite a bit of merit. I am merely pointing out that age doesn't always work as a counterpoint.

Being knowledgeable about metal can mean numerous things, and although someone who is older than I may have more years of metal-listening under their belt, per se, I listen to metal albums like it's going out of style. I think, for someone who is 18, I am *quite* knowledgeable on the subject.

5) You're right. I should have clarified that the bands I'm in are all of 24-27 year old guys who have been playing guitar for 6-10 years. I've been playing bass for two.

Think about it like this: Iowa City has a *lot* of musicians. Why would two bands of well-versed individuals *desire* to have me as their bassist? Going by the "years argument" it would appear that I am still a fledgling bassist.

In reality, though, it has everything to do with the fact that I accelerated beyond my peers at both 4 and 6-stringed bass. Granted, playing a 6 string isn't the key to bass "wizardy" but I think that pointing it out counts for something.

I practiced 20 hours last weekend. I practice pinch harmonics, normal "artificial harmonics", scale runs, complex rhythms and time signatures, and I recently accomplished something many lead guitar players do. I can sweep pick my bass (without a pick) a two-octave arpeggio in a complete 4-note chord progression. I'm working on doing it faster than 8th notes at 208 bpm (16th notes at 104 bpm).

So, I may be young, but that doesn't mean I can't back up what I say when it comes to the amount of technical skill I have when it comes to bass. I play it like a lead guitar. You remember when I called out JigokuShoujo on her lying? You should be aware that I don't like lying, even on message boards (which is, I agree, silly).

Although I wasn't serious about claiming to be an expert on a form of music that is older than me (on a message board comprised mainly of people younger than myself), you're calling my musical abilities into question.

That, to me, is serious now.

3 - I'm taking a heavily accelerated music theory course at the college here, and I use things I learn to identify what I write, write more complex melodies and rhythms, and harmonically stable chords and chord progressions. Music theory *is* a very broad thing. From wikipedia, it says that it regards the study of the mechanics of music.
From that, I can say that I am taking music theory classes to write better sounding music that is more pleasing to the ear. Much like a car mechanic who needs to learn how a car works to begin modifying it, a good musician should know certain things about music before plunging into making it, I think. That is what I'm doing. For example, I am utilizing what I've learned about scales and modes to make sounds with key changes and relative key changes that sound more dynamic.

4) So my posts aren't interesting enough? I've made a pretty informative band listing post earlier in this thread, and I even posted a review of an Onmyo-za CD in Redgarnet's thread about Jmetal. Even the post that elicited your response must have been interesting, at least to you and Mauzy. I know I shouldn't be surprised, but should I also just not speak when I feel I can make a valid point about myself?

I'd post samples of my playing now, but I can't do it because quiet hours are almost in effect in the dorm.

http://www.myspace.com/lookingformusicianstoday is one of my bands' myspaces. I recorded the bass for these a couple of months ago. Since then I've only gotten better. It didn't take me many takes to do the solo in Broken Wall. I think maybe 3 or so. Granted it may not sound the best, but that is because I also have to work within the parameters that the guys set for the songs. The next three songs we will be adding in will be more Gotheburg- sounding, as our sound has progressed quite a bit in these few months.

I'll post more of my solo compositions, including the sweeping and my own 5 finger tap neoclassical piece later this weekend upon request.

I highly recommend demo 2 and 3, not only because I rip bass licks on the second half of 2, and not only because 3 has a lot of nice harmonies with a furious bassline underneath it. I think that we have really well-produced demos that don't sound like they were recorded in mono into a boom box into a metal trashcan, like 90% of music on Myspace.

Azrael, do you play guitar or write music at all?

I don't want to sound like a total jerk, but from one partially joking post, you've basically attacked what I do in my free time, so I am responding accordingly.



First I'd like to say I never called skill into question. Skill has nothing to with age, nor maturity for that matter. I had no intention of insulting your skill or passtime, just the arrogance and rudeness you displayed in your post. I assumed you were fully capable of backing it up and was lost as to why you didn't.

When I spoke of age I strictly meant experience in the scene. Metal has been around for quite a while, and has more recently become trendy again. Kids making rash claims about how metal they are are a dime a dozen, and seldom live up to the claim. I was extremely into metal several years ago (as in 5+ years ago), and ended up getting out of it mainly due to getting stationed in the middle of nowhere (and a lack of like minded people). I've been slowly getting back into it recently.

Nor did I say that I excluded you from the interesting comments made in this thread. I just felt you were being unnecessarily haughty for the type of forum this is, without any evidence backing up your claims. I may rip on some other people's tastes pretty bad around here (see my slipknot response), but I try to always explain where I'm coming in from when I do so.

I jumped on your response not because I thought you were full of shit - you don't post often and when you do they're usually very worthwhile so I assumed you could back up what you were saying - but because it was so arrogant, haughty, out of place, and had no evidence backing it up what so ever. All you had to do was include a link to some samples and tone down the elistism and it would've been fine. Something like "wow, reading all these responses make me realize how much I know about metal. i have experience in two bands with accomplished musicians, and i (technical garble) - check out some of my stuff here" - and instead you just came across as a pompous arrogant cock. tossing on the "you kids" on it was just adding insult to injury.

As far as posting for the sole purpose of trolling (which is all flame baiting really is).... there are other forums for that nonesense.

I like the direction you guys are going in the samples you posted. I'm interested to see how you progress further. Since I'm used so used to black metal the production sounds fine to me

I don't play any musical instrument - I assumed that was evident when I said I didn't study music, but I didn't explicitly say it (aside from a couple years of piano many many years ago), though I've been toying with the idea picking up a guitar now that I'm getting back into metal again. One of those "always wanted to, never got around to it, so why not now?" situations. Any reccomendations for a cheap though decent guitar to learn with? Nothing fancy, just something versatile (for metal) that doesn't sound like shit and doesn't cost an arm and a leg (question open to anyone).
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Glad to see we're all squared away.

Azrael, if you want a good quality metal guitar, you can never go wrong with an Ibanez. Unless you willing to plunk down tons of cash for a nice Gibson or Schecter or such, Ibanez is the best for the money.

Before you venture any further, though, you have to ask yourself... how much is an arm and a leg?

-You'd be surprised at how satisfied you can be with about 700 bucks worth of gear; IE, a decent guitar, decent amp and speaker, and some cables and a wah pedal.

Once that's squared away, you can then ask yourself... "How difficult do I want to make it for myself?"

-I myself find that if the guitar doesn't have a tremolo system (whammy bar), then you're not playing "the metals" the right way. Metal NEEDS whammy dives and stupid little techniques you can impress people with, so the whammy is integral to that sort of versatility. The problem with that is that tremolo systems are notoriously hard to tune. The plus side is, though, that you get a lot of practice recognizing when the guitar is out of tune, how often that happens, and even more practice tuning it quickly and accurately. The supposed weakness of the setup can become your strength *and* you get a sweet whammy bar. Again, this is dependent on the time you want to invest in becoming a metal god. Making it hard for yourself initially always pays off later. Like when little Spartan children were forced to become soldiers at an early age, you who learn the ways of the tremolo can become exceptionally good at discerning pitches and retuning easily, etc.

So, if you want to make it more difficult, but become better for it, get the Ibanez RG2EX. I would recommend that you Froogle some good sales on them. It's cheaper than the following guitar I will mention, but seriously. Whammy dives. I actually am going to get a custom fretless 5 or 6 string bass sometime soon with a tremolo system... because whammies are the coolest.


If you want to just pick up and play and just be able to tune easily, get an Ibanez RG2EX1. I've read great things about them. The electronics sound pretty decent from the specs. The following is a link to a surprisingly good sale.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=519783

With the other 400 or so dollars left over, I recommend getting a decent quality amp and speaker cabinet or getting a really nice combo amp.

I am a sucker for the Marshall amp sound on guitars or sometimes Line 6. I am a huge sucker, though, for Peavey bass amps. That's beside the point.

Here is a decent Marshall Combo: http://www.zzounds.com/item--MSHMG50DFX

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THIS IS IMPORTANT!

You might not agree with what I say about gear, which is completely sensible.

The absolute BEST way to find out what guitar is right for you is to go to your nearest guitar shop or guitar center and play guitars. Set out a couple of hours in your day and see what you can do. You've seen enough music videos to "know" how to play the guitar. Just go out, ask the people working to see if they can set you up with an amp, and pick a guitar and play.

Granted, the selection will always be limited in some aspect, but I'll be DAMNED if you don't find *some* guitar that you'll feel comfortable playing for the price you want to pay.

Right now, it's not about how immaculate you want your tone to be. That is for after you've been playing a lot and been comparing your guitar/amp's sound to what the guys on (good) metal albums sound like. By the time you start complaining about your sound, you're probably picking up techniques and things that make or break the sound your guitar is capable of delivering; not only that, but you realize that certain techniques are not so easily performed on your guitar, so you want different gear.

But, again, as of right now, it is about comfort in learning the shape and feel of the guitar. Either get the guitar(s) I mentioned, or go to a guitar center/shop and fool around for a while.

Then when you think you're good enough, post videos of yourself on Youtube with your gain turned all the way up, the video isn't synched up at all with the audio, it's going at 10 frames per second, and it sounds like a sawmill.

^_^

Wait, don't do that last step. Everyone will hate you.




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Uh. Most bands already listed.
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WrathS wrote:

Glad to see we're all squared away.

Azrael, if you want a good quality metal guitar, you can never go wrong with an Ibanez. Unless you willing to plunk down tons of cash for a nice Gibson or Schecter or such, Ibanez is the best for the money.

Before you venture any further, though, you have to ask yourself... how much is an arm and a leg?

-You'd be surprised at how satisfied you can be with about 700 bucks worth of gear; IE, a decent guitar, decent amp and speaker, and some cables and a wah pedal.

Once that's squared away, you can then ask yourself... "How difficult do I want to make it for myself?"

-I myself find that if the guitar doesn't have a tremolo system (whammy bar), then you're not playing "the metals" the right way. Metal NEEDS whammy dives and stupid little techniques you can impress people with, so the whammy is integral to that sort of versatility. The problem with that is that tremolo systems are notoriously hard to tune. The plus side is, though, that you get a lot of practice recognizing when the guitar is out of tune, how often that happens, and even more practice tuning it quickly and accurately. The supposed weakness of the setup can become your strength *and* you get a sweet whammy bar. Again, this is dependent on the time you want to invest in becoming a metal god. Making it hard for yourself initially always pays off later. Like when little Spartan children were forced to become soldiers at an early age, you who learn the ways of the tremolo can become exceptionally good at discerning pitches and retuning easily, etc.

So, if you want to make it more difficult, but become better for it, get the Ibanez RG2EX. I would recommend that you Froogle some good sales on them. It's cheaper than the following guitar I will mention, but seriously. Whammy dives. I actually am going to get a custom fretless 5 or 6 string bass sometime soon with a tremolo system... because whammies are the coolest.


If you want to just pick up and play and just be able to tune easily, get an Ibanez RG2EX1. I've read great things about them. The electronics sound pretty decent from the specs. The following is a link to a surprisingly good sale.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=519783

With the other 400 or so dollars left over, I recommend getting a decent quality amp and speaker cabinet or getting a really nice combo amp.

I am a sucker for the Marshall amp sound on guitars or sometimes Line 6. I am a huge sucker, though, for Peavey bass amps. That's beside the point.

Here is a decent Marshall Combo: http://www.zzounds.com/item--MSHMG50DFX

===========================================
THIS IS IMPORTANT!

You might not agree with what I say about gear, which is completely sensible.

The absolute BEST way to find out what guitar is right for you is to go to your nearest guitar shop or guitar center and play guitars. Set out a couple of hours in your day and see what you can do. You've seen enough music videos to "know" how to play the guitar. Just go out, ask the people working to see if they can set you up with an amp, and pick a guitar and play.

Granted, the selection will always be limited in some aspect, but I'll be DAMNED if you don't find *some* guitar that you'll feel comfortable playing for the price you want to pay.

Right now, it's not about how immaculate you want your tone to be. That is for after you've been playing a lot and been comparing your guitar/amp's sound to what the guys on (good) metal albums sound like. By the time you start complaining about your sound, you're probably picking up techniques and things that make or break the sound your guitar is capable of delivering; not only that, but you realize that certain techniques are not so easily performed on your guitar, so you want different gear.

But, again, as of right now, it is about comfort in learning the shape and feel of the guitar. Either get the guitar(s) I mentioned, or go to a guitar center/shop and fool around for a while.

Then when you think you're good enough, post videos of yourself on Youtube with your gain turned all the way up, the video isn't synched up at all with the audio, it's going at 10 frames per second, and it sounds like a sawmill.

^_^

Wait, don't do that last step. Everyone will hate you.




well u can use like all most any Electric guitar to play Metal
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Has anyone listened to Sepultura - DANTE XXI?
It's really embarrassing to admit, but I'm still hoping they make a comeback is it decent, or just the same crap they did with Roorback, Nation, and all of their recent albums?
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mauz15 wrote:

Has anyone listened to Sepultura - DANTE XXI?
It's really embarrassing to admit, but I'm still hoping they make a comeback is it decent, or just the same crap they did with Roorback, Nation, and all of their recent albums?


Funny you should mention that, I just read that a reunion with Max looks possible. Don't know any details other than that. I wouldn't mind a reunion, though I don't think there is any gurantee they'll do good music again (niether have been particularly remarkable since Max left, though Soulfly had it's moments).
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Dragonslayer_101 wrote:
well u can use like all most any Electric guitar to play Metal




Yes, but the feel of the guitar also comes into play. Generally, metal has faster rhythms and advanced techniques that require specifically built necks, bodies, bridge systems, and certain pickup configurations for optimum playability.

There is a reason companies like Ibanez, ESP, Schecter, and Jackson are associated with metal. Because they make guitars that are great for playing such a strenuous type of music.
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yea ur rite

i was wondering where can i find a Rosa Hurricane guitar online?
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Why are you looking for a Rosa Hurricane in particular? Results in Google, Froogle, ebay turn up squat. You're out of luck.

Gus G's new signature guitar looks a lot like the Hurricane. I'm not entirely sure how it sounds in comparison to the Rosa Hurricane, though.

Ibanez's new XPT700 looks similar, but Gus's guitar is almost a dead ringer, aside from the differing headstock.

Oddly enough, though, "teh internets" has very little information on the Rosa Hurricane. Why is that? Who is the manufacturer?

Where did you hear about this guitar? I'm no electric guitar expert (more of a bass person) but I've never heard of the Rosa Hurricane until now. Googles of it in quotes return less than 800 results. This must be some sort of special guitar? I've never heard of a manufacturer called Rosa.


At any rate.... is anyone else surprised by how similar the Rosa Hurricane looks to Gus G's guitar? I almost smell a lawsuit coming. I'm putting a picture on this post.




Dragonslayer, just get the Gus G guitar. Also, listen to Firewind and Dream Evil. And I guess Mystic Prophecy.


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WrathS wrote:

Why are you looking for a Rosa Hurricane in particular? Results in Google, Froogle, ebay turn up squat. You're out of luck.

Gus G's new signature guitar looks a lot like the Hurricane. I'm not entirely sure how it sounds in comparison to the Rosa Hurricane, though.

Ibanez's new XPT700 looks similar, but Gus's guitar is almost a dead ringer, aside from the differing headstock.

Oddly enough, though, "teh internets" has very little information on the Rosa Hurricane. Why is that? Who is the manufacturer?

Where did you hear about this guitar? I'm no electric guitar expert (more of a bass person) but I've never heard of the Rosa Hurricane until now. Googles of it in quotes return less than 800 results. This must be some sort of special guitar? I've never heard of a manufacturer called Rosa.


At any rate.... is anyone else surprised by how similar the Rosa Hurricane looks to Gus G's guitar? I almost smell a lawsuit coming. I'm putting a picture on this post.




Dragonslayer, just get the Gus G guitar. Also, listen to Firewind and Dream Evil. And I guess Mystic Prophecy.




well the reason i like Rosa Hurricane cuz i like the design nd couple of my Fav JMetal bands lead Guitarist/vocalist uses that same desinged Guitar thanx man i try nd get the Gus G or Ibanez XPT700 ^^ . the other reason was Dimebag from Pantera nd damageplan used to play that style of guitar


Avril Lavigne inst even in metal genre shes hard rock i guess
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Anyone heard of Freedom Call? Someone from my floor recommended them and I wanted to know if anyone else knew about them...
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i just heard them nd they are alrite from what i listened they have the sound of power metal maybe something else but they are good to me
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korn
slayer
deftones
sublime-they're not metal but are still really good
rage against the machine
red hot chili peppers
marilyn manson
king diamond
death
norma jean
killswitch engage
the chariot
decapitated
converge
GWAR
pantera
sepultura- anything with max cavalera. derrick green can burn in hell
soulfly
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dogwitch wrote:

korn
slayer
deftones
sublime-they're not metal but are still really good
rage against the machine
red hot chili peppers
marilyn manson
king diamond
death
norma jean
killswitch engage
the chariot
decapitated
converge
GWAR
pantera
sepultura- anything with max cavalera. derrick green can burn in hell
soulfly


if u new sublime isnt metal then why did u put in ur list
u knew this is a Heavy Metal thread

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Dragonslayer_101 wrote:


dogwitch wrote:

korn
slayer
deftones
sublime-they're not metal but are still really good
rage against the machine
red hot chili peppers
marilyn manson
king diamond
death
norma jean
killswitch engage
the chariot
decapitated
converge
GWAR
pantera
sepultura- anything with max cavalera. derrick green can burn in hell
soulfly


if u new sublime isnt metal then why did u put in ur list
u knew this is a Heavy Metal thread



ummmm..... because they're awsome. simply put.
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