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Rap or Crap?
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Is rap music garbage as many people assert, or is that contemporary hip-hop has been taken over by money-hungry record labels? Is hip-hop considered legitimate music or merely just a passing trend?
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I feel that most new artists trying to make it big, are riding the money train. They think that hip hop is nothing but bitchs, bling and cash. It's actually pretty sad.

I remember back in the day listening to KRS-One, Wu-Tang Clan, Nas, Biggie and Tupac. They would rap about real issues. Things that they saw that were F'd up in their communities. What Hip Hop needs is a renaissance, a bringing back of the old ways. Less of this 'check out my bentley and all this cash' and more 'I saw a 9 yr old slinging crack on my block, thats not right'

As for legitimacy I think it is. The production that goes into making beats is very music oriented and most producers have a musical background. Timberland being one of my all time favorite producers. He uses so many different sounds to make his beats, that they could be considered music w/o the rapping over them.

I hope this new bling bling BS is a passing trend. Nas did just come out with a new single called "Hip Hop is dead" and Im afraid to say I think he may be right.
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If it is dead, then I wonder what will replace it. I remeber rocking to De La Soul way back when, but in order to find 'good' hip hop you have to dig deep in the record stores, and I just don't have time for that anymore which is why I don't defend rap anymore. This commercialism really has taken over the music, and its really unfortunate, but I guess money tends to have this effect on all genres but its more pronounced in hip hop being that the premise is supposedly 'rags-to-riches' and all that jazz so to speak.
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Yeah I feel you on that notion. But most of the people don't even start at rags! I listen to some underground mix tapes, and I KNOW the rappers are as broke as I am, and they still rap about having all this money. Its so fake its laughable!

And yes the commercialism took it over once it became so mainstream. Typical but sad. and you can see it in most genres especially pop music. I remember when the battle lines were drawn b/c christina aguilera was promoting coke a cola and Britney spears was promoting pepsi..now I'm seeing Jay-Z doing Budweiser commercials. Is there no integrity left in this world? I mean I understand getting that money. I wish it was as easy for me as it is for them, and this might just be stemming from a deep jealousy of the extremely rich, but come on? Do you really need to do commercials? You could just invest that money and make more than my entire household income in just interest.

And I agree. In order to find 'good' hip hop, you really do have to search for it...b/c it all came out between like '75 and '96. Dang.
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hip hop is dead. the pre-bling era was where it was good. i still listen to old jams such as 93 till infinity. step into a world some big daddy kane mixes. man those were the stuff.
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that was a bay area classic^, 'really livin' from the rascalz is canada's only answer to the souls of mischief
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R- Retarded
A- Attempting
P- Poetry

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^ Nice attempt at trolling but I think you mean Retards Attempting Poetry or Retarded Attempt @ Poetry.

Quality post there to buddy, really brought something to the table.


Big Daddy Kane Hellz Yeah! And If you can I definitely recommend getting the Sirius Satellite Radio. The Backspin channel is always playing great tracks from back in the day.
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Posted 3/2/07
Crap...wannabes killed it.
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can't spell crap without rap
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^ gotta agree
in my opinion rap music is shitty. I like a couple songs and thats it
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hip hop music died...
it was at its peak
when the game PA PA THE RAPPER was released for the ps1
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hmm...

Yeah I agree with basically everyone who's posted before me.

[Mainstream] rap [in the States] is indeed crap now but all the blame shouldn't fall on the major labels trying to make a dime - the people who contribute to the popularity of modern rap/hip-hop by listening and promoting it within their communities are part of the problem too. The fact that they are hungrily devouring what the artists release just motivates future artists to follow the same trend. I mean, look at the British midget rapper - Lady Sovereign - her stuff is just ridiculous but she managed to make it onto MTV for a while...

I do like listening to some hip-hop/rap occasionally, especially the artists who're influenced by outside genres like Mike Shinoda [Fort Minor] or rap about real issues in their part of the world, like MC Solaar [French rapper]...
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There are some good alternative rap groups such as Gym Class Heroes still left.
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Basically rap is like any other genre that enjoys mainstream success - it has become a victim of it. It has been watered down and packaged for mass consumption. But that's just what we see - not necessarily all that's out there. In truth there are many talented rappers still making music with highly intelligent lyrics. The problem is you have to dig for them, and most people aren't willing to put that much work into discovering new music, particularly in such enjoying such mainstream success.

Also, I wouldn't be so quick to immortalize mid 90s gangsta rap. Sure 2Pac and Biggie were extraordinarily talented, but have you listened to their lyrics? I know with 2Pac the majority of it is glamorizing the thug lifestyle, occasionaly touching relevant social issues. Granted it seems intelligent when compared to, say, 50 cent, but all in all it is still lacking in substance. Now Nas on the other hand... he is worth his weight in gold (though he did go through a period where he indulged in commercialism). When I first heard him I realized that maybe not all rap was what I thought it was.

I think the african american community is going through a pivotal time right now. The stereotypes they'be been putting forth with mainstream hip hop music are becoming the standards by which much of their lives are being run - and the standards they are being judged by. Violence, degradation of women, lack of education, no family structure - and all of that comes from "hip hop" values. Kids are being taught that the only way to be successfull is through sports, music, or criminal behaviour. Anyone who attempts to rise outside of that is often frowned upon. Things desperately need to change and more are realizing this, but still not enough.

I think hip hop CAN be a great medium just like a paint brush. But in the end it's what you paint that often defines the medium itself, be justified or not.
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