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Okay I am trying to think of new topics to get some good conversations or friendly debates going on. Here's a good one.

What do you emphasize as vital for combat training?
For example, what aspects are most important to utilize in a fight? What of these aspects to you emphasize in training and why?
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minimizing harm to self, doing what you need to do.. the first one is really hard to do in my training, cuz in a fight there is always a possibilty that you will get hurt.. but i like to watch out what I might do to the uke, or attacker... if it's like a friend or family, I can control the situation, with someone trying to beat my ass...I'm punching your face into mulch, and breaking your bones.. or choking you out.. unless it's so serious.. I gotta run away..if I can, or straight mow'em down. I'm really being nice if I choke'm out.. but there's a chance I will not not choke'm out if it's really serious like he wants to kill me, or harm my girl, or family.. how about you?
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most_unpredictable_ninja wrote:

minimizing harm to self, doing what you need to do.. the first one is really hard to do in my training, cuz in a fight there is always a possibilty that you will get hurt.. but i like to watch out what I might do to the uke, or attacker... if it's like a friend or family, I can control the situation, with someone trying to beat my ass...I'm punching your face into mulch, and breaking your bones.. or choking you out.. unless it's so serious.. I gotta run away..if I can, or straight mow'em down. I'm really being nice if I choke'm out.. but there's a chance I will not not choke'm out if it's really serious like he wants to kill me, or harm my girl, or family.. how about you?


Good stuff.

Well I have found a system in my experience.

Basically a defense and counterattack simultaneously. Someone punches me, I block and instantly perform ude garame or a variation and break their arm, escorting them to the ground. The emphasis is with defending with minimal damage to myself and I use the momentum of the block to get a hold of them and then counterattack while they are momentarily immobilized.

If an opponent is trying to move in close to me, I utilize pure offense by way of my own hybrid blend of techniques from Kenpo, Kyokushin, and JKD with emphasis on swift attacks to vital points mainly aimed to wear down an opponent [rather than powerful yet slow attacks] until I can get in close without risking an opening so that I can grapple.



I have never lost to a striker and only lost once to a grappler in a street fight. The loss was when I was drunk and it was outside a pub but luckily my mate came in and helped me out. I still count it as a loss because if it wasn't for my mate pulling the guy off, I would have been choked out. It was a triangle choke. I got the guy afterward, K.O. out cold with a combo involving an initial elbow to the stomach as I was getting up, a rabbit punch to the throat as we was doubling over, and following up with a hammer fist to the temple as he fell to his knees. He had a concussion after that.

There are two accounts I was ganged up on by a posey and beat up though. KC is a dangerous place.

In the dojo I have lost twice to a striker and once to a grappler and that is because I can not use my full arsenal of attacks.

So I am either really lucky or my system is pretty damn good.

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most_unpredictable_ninja wrote:

minimizing harm to self, doing what you need to do.. the first one is really hard to do in my training, cuz in a fight there is always a possibilty that you will get hurt.. but i like to watch out what I might do to the uke, or attacker... if it's like a friend or family, I can control the situation, with someone trying to beat my ass...I'm punching your face into mulch, and breaking your bones.. or choking you out.. unless it's so serious.. I gotta run away..if I can, or straight mow'em down. I'm really being nice if I choke'm out.. but there's a chance I will not not choke'm out if it's really serious like he wants to kill me, or harm my girl, or family.. how about you?


Good stuff.

Well I have found a system in my experience.

Basically a defense and counterattack simultaneously. Someone punches me, I block and instantly perform ude garame or a variation and break their arm, escorting them to the ground. The emphasis is with defending with minimal damage to myself and I use the momentum of the block to get a hold of them and then counterattack while they are momentarily immobilized.

If an opponent is trying to move in close to me, I utilize pure offense by way of my own hybrid blend of techniques from Kenpo, Kyokushin, and JKD with emphasis on swift attacks to vital points mainly aimed to wear down an opponent [rather than powerful yet slow attacks] until I can get in close without risking an opening so that I can grapple.



I have never lost to a striker and only lost once to a grappler in a street fight. The loss was when I was drunk and it was outside a pub but luckily my mate came in and helped me out. I still count it as a loss because if it wasn't for my mate pulling the guy off, I would have been choked out. It was a triangle choke. I got the guy afterward, K.O. out cold with a combo involving an initial elbow to the stomach as I was getting up, a rabbit punch to the throat as we was doubling over, and following up with a hammer fist to the temple as he fell to his knees. He had a concussion after that.

There are two accounts I was ganged up on by a posey and beat up though. KC is a dangerous place.

In the dojo I have lost twice to a striker and once to a grappler and that is because I can not use my full arsenal of attacks.

So I am either really lucky or my system is pretty damn good.



what kind of grapplers you have in your dojo?
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most_unpredictable_ninja wrote:
what kind of grapplers you have in your dojo?


Well I trained in Jujutsu but there were others who came in to challenge.
BJJ, Judo, Sambo, Krav Maga, Systema, Aikido, Wrestling, and a few I cannot pronounce.
It was a Systema guy who got me down. He was a student of a good acquittance of mine and fellow Kenjutsuka, John Williams.

I have noticed BJJ, Krav Maga, Aikido, and the Wrestlers are pretty easily taken down. There was a few Judokas who were really tough.

Judo is like Jujutsu without the lethal stuff aimed for combat. No strikes, No small joint manip, just the safe grappling. Jujutsu is more rough, tough, and oldschool.

And BJJ is Judo stripped down to nothing but groundfighting. It's even more watered down.
Not saying they are ineffective though. The techniques they all share in common have not been changed through centuries of evolution because they are known to be at the pinnacle of grappling.
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most_unpredictable_ninja wrote:
what kind of grapplers you have in your dojo?


Well I trained in Jujutsu but there were others who came in to challenge.
BJJ, Judo, Sambo, Krav Maga, Systema, Aikido, Wrestling, and a few I cannot pronounce.
It was a Systema guy who got me down. He was a student of a good acquittance of mine and fellow Kenjutsuka, John Williams.

I have noticed BJJ, Krav Maga, Aikido, and the Wrestlers are pretty easily taken down. There was a few Judokas who were really tough.

Judo is like Jujutsu without the lethal stuff aimed for combat. No strikes, No small joint manip, just the safe grappling. Jujutsu is more rough, tough, and oldschool.

And BJJ is Judo stripped down to nothing but groundfighting. It's even more watered down.
Not saying they are ineffective though. The techniques they all share in common have not been changed through centuries of evolution because they are known to be at the pinnacle of grappling.



a systema practitioner.. never met one before.. i know peopl that have used muay thai, tkd, TSD, and Kungfu, and Karate..
Alot of people dont realize that even karate has grappling in it too..as well as kungfu.. but I'm still new on the ground.
I lost a couple of times but always managed to get back up and keep going. I love Judo.. practiced it in college^^ only thing i don't like is when ppl use set rules.. I want to be able to use what I am capable of.. when I need to. So I know what your saying about not being able to use all in your arsenal. Judokas are hard to take down. Seasoned fighters especially strikers are hard to take down LOL. I rolled with four BJJ practitioners, and a couple of wrestlers.. they love to go on the ground. It's crazy you wouldn't think the wrester would give their back..but still give the fight! submission wrestlers too.. BJJcrazy flow!.. But I like rolling with seasoned fighters.. The triangle choke is a tough choke.. and the rear naked.. I got a friend that uses Aikido for his grapple game, and muay thai grappling.. pretty tight too.. Once you get hit with that elbow.. and you feel it.. it's a wrap! I think mixed martial arts is a beautiful thing.. people expect to be a boxer.. but dont think of their background before boxing.. or a streetfighter.. guess it's time to prepare..
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Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


most_unpredictable_ninja wrote:
what kind of grapplers you have in your dojo?


Well I trained in Jujutsu but there were others who came in to challenge.
BJJ, Judo, Sambo, Krav Maga, Systema, Aikido, Wrestling, and a few I cannot pronounce.
It was a Systema guy who got me down. He was a student of a good acquittance of mine and fellow Kenjutsuka, John Williams.

I have noticed BJJ, Krav Maga, Aikido, and the Wrestlers are pretty easily taken down. There was a few Judokas who were really tough.

Judo is like Jujutsu without the lethal stuff aimed for combat. No strikes, No small joint manip, just the safe grappling. Jujutsu is more rough, tough, and oldschool.

And BJJ is Judo stripped down to nothing but groundfighting. It's even more watered down.
Not saying they are ineffective though. The techniques they all share in common have not been changed through centuries of evolution because they are known to be at the pinnacle of grappling.


Systema...Russian? My bro says it's badass!
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most_unpredictable_ninja wrote:
a systema practitioner.. never met one before.. i know peopl that have used muay thai, tkd, TSD, and Kungfu, and Karate..
Alot of people dont realize that even karate has grappling in it too..as well as kungfu.. but I'm still new on the ground.
I lost a couple of times but always managed to get back up and keep going. I love Judo.. practiced it in college^^ only thing i don't like is when ppl use set rules.. I want to be able to use what I am capable of.. when I need to. So I know what your saying about not being able to use all in your arsenal. Judokas are hard to take down. Seasoned fighters especially strikers are hard to take down LOL. I rolled with four BJJ practitioners, and a couple of wrestlers.. they love to go on the ground. It's crazy you wouldn't think the wrester would give their back..but still give the fight! submission wrestlers too.. BJJcrazy flow!.. But I like rolling with seasoned fighters.. The triangle choke is a tough choke.. and the rear naked.. I got a friend that uses Aikido for his grapple game, and muay thai grappling.. pretty tight too.. Once you get hit with that elbow.. and you feel it.. it's a wrap! I think mixed martial arts is a beautiful thing.. people expect to be a boxer.. but dont think of their background before boxing.. or a streetfighter.. guess it's time to prepare..


Right on, man. We're cousins in martial arts. Judo is a powerful art and even though Jujutsu has more lethality, a Judoka and Jujutsuka fight evenly. Kano brought some revolutionary things to martial arts. Cheers to you, bro.
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Systema...Russian? My bro says it's badass!


Well it depends. I have only fought two. One was weak, but the one that beat me was tough as hell. It's like many martial arts; the effectiveness of an art itself is only 50% of it's effectiveness in a fight. The other 50% is 25% the instructor's mettle and 25% the effort the trainee puts in to learning.

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most_unpredictable_ninja wrote:
a systema practitioner.. never met one before.. i know peopl that have used muay thai, tkd, TSD, and Kungfu, and Karate..
Alot of people dont realize that even karate has grappling in it too..as well as kungfu.. but I'm still new on the ground.
I lost a couple of times but always managed to get back up and keep going. I love Judo.. practiced it in college^^ only thing i don't like is when ppl use set rules.. I want to be able to use what I am capable of.. when I need to. So I know what your saying about not being able to use all in your arsenal. Judokas are hard to take down. Seasoned fighters especially strikers are hard to take down LOL. I rolled with four BJJ practitioners, and a couple of wrestlers.. they love to go on the ground. It's crazy you wouldn't think the wrester would give their back..but still give the fight! submission wrestlers too.. BJJcrazy flow!.. But I like rolling with seasoned fighters.. The triangle choke is a tough choke.. and the rear naked.. I got a friend that uses Aikido for his grapple game, and muay thai grappling.. pretty tight too.. Once you get hit with that elbow.. and you feel it.. it's a wrap! I think mixed martial arts is a beautiful thing.. people expect to be a boxer.. but dont think of their background before boxing.. or a streetfighter.. guess it's time to prepare..


Right on, man. We're cousins in martial arts. Judo is a powerful art and even though Jujutsu has more lethality, a Judoka and Jujutsuka fight evenly. Kano brought some revolutionary things to martial arts. Cheers to you, bro.


osu, though there are some comparison.. we do have a similar cause, and thanks to jigoro kano.. lethality.. it's true, osu.. hope you continue with your journey.
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LegendarySucker wrote:
Systema...Russian? My bro says it's badass!


Well it depends. I have only fought two. One was weak, but the one that beat me was tough as hell. It's like many martial arts; the effectiveness of an art itself is only 50% of it's effectiveness in a fight. The other 50% is 25% the instructor's mettle and 25% the effort the trainee puts in to learning.



Good point!
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i love a wrestling submission move call gogoplata its done by a wrestler call undertaker =] go youtube type gogoplata n check it out
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i love a wrestling submission move call gogoplata its done by a wrestler call undertaker =] go youtube type gogoplata n check it out


I don't think Pro Wrestling fits in with martial arts.

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ndxndx wrote:

i love a wrestling submission move call gogoplata its done by a wrestler call undertaker =] go youtube type gogoplata n check it out


I don't think Pro Wrestling fits in with martial arts.



huh ? y ? wrestling is part of mix martial art
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Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


ndxndx wrote:

i love a wrestling submission move call gogoplata its done by a wrestler call undertaker =] go youtube type gogoplata n check it out


I don't think Pro Wrestling fits in with martial arts.



huh ? y ? wrestling is part of mix martial art


Shoot Wrestling and Submission Wrestling is. Pro Wrestling isn't.

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