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Post Reply Skyline vs Supra vs AE86 vs Fairlady Z vs RX7 vs Evo vs WRX STi
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Subaru Impreza STI, I droll while thinking of my baby!!!
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Posted 1/8/09
ae86. with 20b 3 rotor rotary swap and a huge turbo. they did it in japan. try check it out on youtube. its a bad ass ae86.
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http://wanganmidnightanime.blogspot.com/ for the next episode
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hi everyone!!!
I've heard a bit of everything in this forum. some good comments and some funny ones.
people is choosing their cars based in what they look like, and not in their abilities. i know that a nice looking car it's ok, but i am more interested in performance and handling.
all the cars that have been commented have their good and bad points.
obviously any car could be THE monster machine given the right tuning and the right driver, but if you are talking about advantages and disadvantages I can list them for you:

evo & imprezza: they are good light weight cars with plenty of power and 4WD, their REAL problem is that they can't handle properly more power than 400HP. a friend of mine tuned in university an evo 6 to 600HP, and the car was uncontrollable, tires were torn off, unpredictable under and oversteer. and even with a reinforced chassis and a redesigned suspension, it couldn't put down all that power. about 500HP was the limit. another issue is that they are limited to 155MPH, so to increase the top speed quite a lot of the components have to be replaced

RX-7: It is an awesome car, nice handling and and a beautiful Wankel (Rotary) engine, but it can't handle more than 700HP also it has a double edged sword. it is an FR so in the right hands is a killer machine, in the wrong ones it'll be in the gutter in the first corner.

skyline: technically the best car mentioned, a nice and powerful L6 racing engine, although it was sold as having only 280HP its real output was far greater. also the attesa or however it's call system switches the traction to the front tires in skidding conditions, so it combines the best of the handling of a FR and the easy of use of a 4WD. this car can be tuned to more than 900HP. the biggest problem of this car is the weight. it has a very heavy engine and a large and heavy body, so tire wear is always an issue

the rest of FR cars in the game are ok but lack in power or handling, may be the only exception is the honda S2000, but being a roadster it has a smaller torsional rigidity than the rest, and hat is a disadvantage when tuning it up.

finally the AE86 is not a fast car in straights. its good points are being lightweight and cornering. the car will be a killer machine in a technical downhill course, otherwise it will be like a wheel chair in terms of speed.

If we talk about strange modifications like having an AE86 with the 20B REW 3 rotor engine from a Mazda cosmo, we could fall in the world of the wonder and be asking to fit turbocharged F1 engines in an honda civic of rocket propelled flying cars. we should limit this question to either the cars or the game, not what would happen if...

notes: the only japanese car being banned from LeMans was the 4-rotor Mazda 787 after winning the previous year. forbidding the rotary engine from the competition. no other japanese manufacturer has ever won LeMans, not even nissan with the skyline or the P35
the suspension system banned from competition was Renault's suspension system in Formula1, this system interlinked the suspensions making them to work to eliminate or invert the body roll, since then all this type of systems have been banned form major events.

by the way my choice of car in the game is a Mitsubishi 3000GT/GTO. the reason is because is 4WD easy to handle and has an awesome twin turbo 3.0 liter V6 that even tough they say the output is 280HP, it really is in the range of 420-480HP. i know that is not the best looking, nor the lightest, but it has 4WD, four wheel steering, active aerodynamics, a tuneable exhaust and electronically controlled suspension, so it is my choice,

I am a mechanical/automotive engineering student, so I know all these cars are awesome, so it only comes down to personal choice/driving stile and the characteristics of the course.

finally lets not forget that this is a game, so the cars in the game do not necessarily represent the handling or the real characteristics of the cars. moreover they are designed to be competitive to each other while having a different personality/handling, so truly it comes down to decide which one has that tiny edge over the rest, and that can be also argued by different drivers using different stiles.

because of that i think we shouldn't forget those underrated cars because in the right hands with the right set up will upset any of those killer machines that people call the best in the game.

because of that my vote does not go to the imprezzas evos GT-Rs or even the Fairlaidy-Z that inspired the anime and the game. my vote goes for my underdog, a not so know really good car , the 3000GT/GTO that i drive

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I think just about every game I've ever played that has allowed it I have used the RX-7, including Initial D, and Max Tune. The cars are just so beautiful. I even own one, well owned one until it got totaled a lady yacking on the cell phone. Ender I can agree with you the 3000gt/ GTO is a beautiful car, sadly finding the good one the VR4 here in America is a difficult task. Though hands down my love is aimed for the Savanna.
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about the evo/sti comment, obviously your friend does not know a simple skill called throttle control, plus when upgrading his suspension did he get the camber adjusted? let me guess no. if you put a 4wd with the same power to weight ratio as a rwd the 4wd will kill it on the track even when both have upgraded suspension and chassis reinforcement. plus with the understeer oversteer thing i am guessing while your friend upgraded his suspension, he forgot to upgrade his tires as well. the tires are the most important part in a good handling car. I have an Evo 1 with 400whp, its power to weight ratio would be the same as an evo 6 with 500 or so whp, and it handles like a beast.I have a bit of oversteer. but i make up for it with driving skill. when ever you have a high hp car the driver has to have some competence or you will be passed by neons on the track. In the game i use an evo III, but i rarely play it since i have an evo in real life. Its a fun game though.
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Posted 3/21/09
Very nice evo I ftw. I have a 1990 fairladyz32 :] pretty siick car. As for the game I rarely play but use a FD, and I love it.
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bennett567 wrote:

about the evo/sti comment, obviously your friend does not know a simple skill called throttle control, plus when upgrading his suspension did he get the camber adjusted? let me guess no. if you put a 4wd with the same power to weight ratio as a rwd the 4wd will kill it on the track even when both have upgraded suspension and chassis reinforcement. plus with the understeer oversteer thing i am guessing while your friend upgraded his suspension, he forgot to upgrade his tires as well. the tires are the most important part in a good handling car. I have an Evo 1 with 400whp, its power to weight ratio would be the same as an evo 6 with 500 or so whp, and it handles like a beast.I have a bit of oversteer. but i make up for it with driving skill. when ever you have a high hp car the driver has to have some competence or you will be passed by neons on the track. In the game i use an evo III, but i rarely play it since i have an evo in real life. Its a fun game though.


Hi!
When I mentioned an EVO being tuned to 600 BHP with reinforced chassis and redesigned suspension, I’m not talking about one of those shitty jobs any wannabe does. It was a friend’s final year project for his BEng in motorsport.
Don’t get me wrong, the car was awesome in dirt or gravel at almost full throttle, but in tarmac it was a pain to control.
Yes he did change the tires and fitted slicks, and the main point of the redesigned suspension was a new custom made spring/damper tower mount support to fully adjust the camber angle and deviation in the four tires.
He even changed the torque splitter to have a power ratio front rear between 30/70 and 40/60. Still the car was really light, so at high speed, the engine in the front induced understeer while braking, and under throttle oversteer, and sometimes this effects overlapped, hence making it a bit of a pain to drive.
The main problem of these type of cars with small engines and HUGE turbos is that the torque does not increase linearly to the HP, instead is more exponential. while the standard car has 276 BHP and around 32 to 36 Nm of torque, when you increase the power to around 500 HP (less than double the initial HP) the torque usually climbs up to 90 odd Nm (around triple of the initial torque).
Although the extra torque gives you a stronger acceleration and a better response, is much much more sensitive, so it tends to destroy the weakest link that is the tires and is much harder to control.
It is also true that some people have tuned these cars to even 900HP, but they are making a loophole, they pretend to compensate the lack of handling and speed in corners with a massive top speed (that is what horsepower give you, top speed), and to do so they have to use heavy settings for the traction control, to reduce the torque as much as they can so the car is more controllable but they kill the power while accelerating.

If you don't believe me, think about this: why WRC (world rally cars) even in rally specs have only around 400 500 HP? They understand that a car that is slightly less powerful but has a better response (i.e. traction control disengaged/basic setting) will perform better than a similar one much more powerful that has to rely on a heavy traction control setting.

Also to maintain the balance in a car, the more you increase the power, the more components that you have to change and modify, plus each component is more and more expensive. So a basic tuning only sky-rocketing the HP won’t do a good thing for the car if you don’t take the appropriate steps to maintain handling.

Also I would like to praise you for your good taste,
An EVO I with mild modifications and 400 HP is a delightful machine but if you increase the horsepower be prepared to spend truckloads of money in components to maintain the balance of the car.
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Posted 5/31/09
And speaking of the game, has anyone actually bothered to notice the odd factor in each track's definition of a sharp turn? (check: Nagoya and Hakone for examples)
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it's a fair match between the Skyline and Supra due to their extreme versatility, with an honorable mention to the Fairlady Z. The AE86 has only five gears and an approximate top speed of 150, but even then, with the T-VIS system, you're putting the AE86 into a killing state of overdrive once you've reached the max speed. Perhaps an AE86 with a swapped 2JZ or RB26DETT and a makeshift traction control at the wheels, it could make the list, but unfortunately, that wouldn't make it a sole AE86, only a hollow shell. Same goes for the RX7 in a way. It's better for corners than it is on the straights because highway runs are like endurance runs. The RX7's best known issue is the heat. Putting it in a max speed would definitely cause it too over heat, and perhaps blow the casket due to the harsh cooling conditions. As for the EVO and the WRX, it's debatable. My personal opinion is that they are more optimized for their nimble handling on loose surface, such as dirt and gravel. Essentially meaning that the traction control is highly strict on those cars, possibly restraining the potential speeds on the highway. I know this is an old thread, but I wanted to give my input on it.
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