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Martial Arts is defined as simply "Combat Skill."
However there are many different arts which don't focus on combat at all. I will go over the different types of arts.


Martial Art
-Traditional. Often has a systematic method of muscle-memory learning [Forms/Kata/whatever]
-Has emphasis on combat. Has been used in combat and/or war and was designed for that. Reasonably effective in street combat. Effective in mortal combat. Possibly Effective in sport combat


Martial Sport
-Inspired by martial arts but used for competition or sports. Reasonably effective in street combat Not effective in mortal combat. Most effective in Sport Combat
-Techniques to kill or seriously injure are often ommited.


Internal Art
-Inspired by martial arts but used to cultivate mind and body. Possibly effective in street combat. Not effective in mortal combat. Not Effective in Sport Combat

What are your thoughts, comments, questions, or opinions?
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i thought martial arts
was a way of life and training you take
to like defend yourself or others if needed
and also that you should practice daily to help stabalize your body
or something like that
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GZ_anime-manga wrote:

i thought martial arts
was a way of life and training you take
to like defend yourself or others if needed
and also that you should practice daily to help stabalize your body
or something like that


Well.. That brings me to another topic.

Self Defense
-A twisted and distorted version of martial arts which claims defense instead of offense. Ineffective at the least.
-Regurgitated and distorted techniques claiming to give the wielder a false sense of righteousness

Is that good enough?

Martial Arts can be a way of life. However anyone who tries to mask MA as "Defense" does not understand the word.
Defense would imply pure self-preservation without inflicting harm upon the opponent. This is ineffective by principle and is not possible in no way shape or form.
That's not saying it can't be used for defensive purposes though.

The moral principle behind many martial arts illuminates the concept that defeating the opponent before they have a chance to harm you is the most effective method of self preservation.

The Japanese have a very proper philosophy to support this which centers around swordsmanship, which is by default a killing art by no excuse.
The concept of Satsujinken or Life Taking Sword is a sword that kills for the sake of killing.
The Katsujinken or Life Giving Sword is a sword that kills one to save the many. Or in other words, kill the one who unyielded would kill others.
Kill one to Save many. This is their justification and it is a pure one without giving a false sense of righteousness.

Anything for fitness, health, or spiritual reasons would be considered as "Internal Arts" these would, by your words, "stabilize" the self.

Martial arts is combat. Combat is a method of utilizing offense for reasons of defense. Not only defense of the self but defense of others, defense of one's beliefs, or even defense of one's country or freedom.
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GZ_anime-manga wrote:

i thought martial arts
was a way of life and training you take
to like defend yourself or others if needed
and also that you should practice daily to help stabalize your body
or something like that


Well.. That brings me to another topic.

Self Defense
-A twisted and distorted version of martial arts which claims defense instead of offense. Ineffective at the least.
-Regurgitated and distorted techniques claiming to give the wielder a false sense of righteousness

Is that good enough?

Martial Arts can be a way of life. However anyone who tries to mask MA as "Defense" is an idiot who does not understand the word.
Defense would imply pure self-preservation without inflicting harm upon the opponent. This is ineffective by principle and is not possible in no way shape or form.

The moral principle behind many martial arts illuminates the concept that defeating the opponent before they have a chance to harm you is the most effective method of self preservation.

The Japanese have a very proper philosophy to support this which centers around swordsmanship, which is by default a killing art by no excuse.
The concept of Satsujinken or Life Taking Sword is a sword that kills for the sake of killing.
The Katsujinken or Life Giving Sword is a sword that kills one to save the many. Or in other words, kill the one who unyielded would kill others.
Kill one to Save many. This is their justification and it is a pure one without giving a false sense of righteousness.

Anything for fitness, health, or spiritual reasons would be considered as "Internal Arts" these would, by your words, "stabilize" the self.

Martial arts is combat. Combat is a method of utilizing offense for reasons of defense. Not only defense of the self but defense of others, defense of one's beliefs, or even defense of one's country or freedom.



ohhhhh ok
i get it
wow i learned somethin out of school
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Martial arts is just that an art. The beauty of it can be astounding at times, but there is the more brutal side of the actual combat aspect. A lot can be told about someone from a single punch or kick, there style, there next move, even at points their mental status. If someone steps into a wider stance then they are probably looking for a take down more so then a dodge, if someone takes a looser stance then they are looking more for the counter. If there attacks come rapid fire and sloppily, they could be swinging with emotion driving the attack. Someone who has been doing martial arts for awhile will know what I am talking about.

I think meditation and self reflecting is an important part of martial arts, if you want to fight at your, you must have a clear mind, meditation helps calm the mind and get you into "martial arts mode" Its best to do if you are nervous in a competition, sparring, that kinda thing, it calms both mind and body.

Martial arts is also not just learning to fight it is learning how to be a better person. An example would be bushido for the samurai and a knights code, Martial arts teaches you morals and how to stick to those morals. Someone who tries martial arts for a couple months then stops will never understand where im coming from or what i'm talking about, i would say about a minimum of a year or so would be when you would start to understand.

Ok that was my rant on the subject lol sorry if i started rambling and bore some ppl lol
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Martial arts is just that an art. The beauty of it can be astounding at times, but there is the more brutal side of the actual combat aspect. A lot can be told about someone from a single punch or kick, there style, there next move, even at points their mental status. If someone steps into a wider stance then they are probably looking for a take down more so then a dodge, if someone takes a looser stance then they are looking more for the counter. If there attacks come rapid fire and sloppily, they could be swinging with emotion driving the attack. Someone who has been doing martial arts for awhile will know what I am talking about.

I think meditation and self reflecting is an important part of martial arts, if you want to fight at your, you must have a clear mind, meditation helps calm the mind and get you into "martial arts mode" Its best to do if you are nervous in a competition, sparring, that kinda thing, it calms both mind and body.

Martial arts is also not just learning to fight it is learning how to be a better person. An example would be bushido for the samurai and a knights code, Martial arts teaches you morals and how to stick to those morals. Someone who tries martial arts for a couple months then stops will never understand where im coming from or what i'm talking about, i would say about a minimum of a year or so would be when you would start to understand.

Ok that was my rant on the subject lol sorry if i started rambling and bore some ppl lol


That is very intuitive, however I would point out a few flaws.
I don't see how a technique can give away a mental status or the next technique. Elaborate please?
Also I do believe looking into things like that will waste precious time in a fight as there is never time to think in a fight. That is why martial artists learn often by repetition so that when they are in combat they can react instantaneously by reflex.
I have been in martial arts for longer than many of the members here have been alive and I can say that I do not know what you are talking about.

To say martial arts is to better oneself is one of those little lies to trick one into feeling self righteous that I mentioned earlier. Sure some martial arts evolve into what I labeled "Internal Arts" above do carry that mentality, but martial arts themselves do not.

Keep up the good work though! You're a welcome addition to the forums.

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carlrules097 wrote:

Martial arts is just that an art. The beauty of it can be astounding at times, but there is the more brutal side of the actual combat aspect. A lot can be told about someone from a single punch or kick, there style, there next move, even at points their mental status. If someone steps into a wider stance then they are probably looking for a take down more so then a dodge, if someone takes a looser stance then they are looking more for the counter. If there attacks come rapid fire and sloppily, they could be swinging with emotion driving the attack. Someone who has been doing martial arts for awhile will know what I am talking about.

I think meditation and self reflecting is an important part of martial arts, if you want to fight at your, you must have a clear mind, meditation helps calm the mind and get you into "martial arts mode" Its best to do if you are nervous in a competition, sparring, that kinda thing, it calms both mind and body.

Martial arts is also not just learning to fight it is learning how to be a better person. An example would be bushido for the samurai and a knights code, Martial arts teaches you morals and how to stick to those morals. Someone who tries martial arts for a couple months then stops will never understand where im coming from or what i'm talking about, i would say about a minimum of a year or so would be when you would start to understand.

Ok that was my rant on the subject lol sorry if i started rambling and bore some ppl lol


That is very intuitive, however I would point out a few flaws.
I don't see how a technique can give away a mental status or the next technique. Elaborate please?
Also I do believe looking into things like that will waste precious time in a fight as there is never time to think in a fight. That is why martial artists learn often by repetition so that when they are in combat they can react instantaneously by reflex.
I have been in martial arts for longer than many of the members here have been alive and I can say that I do not know what you are talking about.

To say martial arts is to better oneself is one of those little lies to trick one into feeling self righteous that I mentioned earlier. Sure some martial arts evolve into what I labeled "Internal Arts" above do carry that mentality, but martial arts themselves do not.

Keep up the good work though! You're a welcome addition to the forums.



First off thanx for welcome, love this group, honestly i have been in it for awhile and just looked today i feel bad now that i didnt look earlier ....but anyway

And me personally have always been more into the theory and mental aspect of martial arts, I have trained in the combat portion of it but im not really a big fan of fighting, I love martial arts dont get me wrong and I like applying it to real situations, but like i said im not a big fan of fighting.

and now to elaborate on what i meant earlier,
i didnt necessarily mean while fighting someone wen it came to mental status, like i used to teach martial arts to younger students as well as ppl older then me, some people have bad form to begin with and thats y instructors are there, but if you just watch them and they form seems off you can when something is wrong, maybe they hit the bag a lot harder then usual or are a lot more aggressive, its a sign that somethin is bothering them

When it comes to anticipating what your opponent does next theres little things they do, like if im gonna through a spin hook kick my front leg might move across my body a little before i kick, or like i said if someone is goin for a takedown they might take a wider stance
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First off thanx for welcome, love this group, honestly i have been in it for awhile and just looked today i feel bad now that i didnt look earlier ....but anyway

And me personally have always been more into the theory and mental aspect of martial arts, I have trained in the combat portion of it but im not really a big fan of fighting, I love martial arts dont get me wrong and I like applying it to real situations, but like i said im not a big fan of fighting.

and now to elaborate on what i meant earlier,
i didnt necessarily mean while fighting someone wen it came to mental status, like i used to teach martial arts to younger students as well as ppl older then me, some people have bad form to begin with and thats y instructors are there, but if you just watch them and they form seems off you can when something is wrong, maybe they hit the bag a lot harder then usual or are a lot more aggressive, its a sign that somethin is bothering them

When it comes to anticipating what your opponent does next theres little things they do, like if im gonna through a spin hook kick my front leg might move across my body a little before i kick, or like i said if someone is goin for a takedown they might take a wider stance


Well that is completely fine. I don't very much like fighting either.
You're an instructor? In what school might I ask? I've never seen one so young.

I still disagree with the ability to see an opponents move then again I have no real use for such a thing.

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carlrules097 wrote:

First off thanx for welcome, love this group, honestly i have been in it for awhile and just looked today i feel bad now that i didnt look earlier ....but anyway

And me personally have always been more into the theory and mental aspect of martial arts, I have trained in the combat portion of it but im not really a big fan of fighting, I love martial arts dont get me wrong and I like applying it to real situations, but like i said im not a big fan of fighting.

and now to elaborate on what i meant earlier,
i didnt necessarily mean while fighting someone wen it came to mental status, like i used to teach martial arts to younger students as well as ppl older then me, some people have bad form to begin with and thats y instructors are there, but if you just watch them and they form seems off you can when something is wrong, maybe they hit the bag a lot harder then usual or are a lot more aggressive, its a sign that somethin is bothering them

When it comes to anticipating what your opponent does next theres little things they do, like if im gonna through a spin hook kick my front leg might move across my body a little before i kick, or like i said if someone is goin for a takedown they might take a wider stance


Well that is completely fine. I don't very much like fighting either.
You're an instructor? In what school might I ask? I've never seen one so young.

I still disagree with the ability to see an opponents move then again I have no real use for such a thing.



Its a local school not very big, i wasn't the head instructor but i had several classes that i would teach to give my instructor a break, mostly the lower level classes and younger kids
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Its a local school not very big, i wasn't the head instructor but i had several classes that i would teach to give my instructor a break, mostly the lower level classes and younger kids

Who's your instructor's name and what style is it if you don't mind me asking?

For example; here's mine as I would not expect the same courtesy if it was not already extended.

Kito ryu Jujutsu - 6 Years, 10 months Okuden level with Gomokuroku rank [Okuden-Renshi: Third Level Instructor]
Instructed by Mark Huntington, Instructed in turn by Brian Barns who was in turn instructed by Stephen Fabian.
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carlrules097 wrote:
Its a local school not very big, i wasn't the head instructor but i had several classes that i would teach to give my instructor a break, mostly the lower level classes and younger kids

Who's your instructor's name and what style is it if you don't mind me asking?

For example; here's mine as I would not expect the same courtesy if it was not already extended.

Kito ryu Jujutsu - 6 Years, 10 months Okuden level with Gomokuroku rank [Okuden-Renshi: Third Level Instructor]
Instructed by Mark Huntington, Instructed in turn by Brian Barns who was in turn instructed by Stephen Fabian.


No problem at all

The style is Kempo Karate developed by Ed Parker, its based off of Okinawan Kenpo, but more rapid succession of attacks as well as holds influenced by jujitsu we had a few seminars so i know some basics in Reiki, and pressure points
I have been doing it for 11 years, My instructors names were Jarret Adams and Charles Rocco, Both second degree black belts, and I attended several seminars with one of the first students of Ed Parker, he was a Grandmaster, tenth degree who's name is Frank Mouhi i believe, it has been awhile, I have also attended XMA seminars which is more of sport karate with Mike Chataratabut.
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No problem at all

The style is Kempo Karate developed by Ed Parker, its based off of Okinawan Kenpo, but more rapid succession of attacks as well as holds influenced by jujitsu we had a few seminars so i know some basics in Reiki, and pressure points
I have been doing it for 11 years, My instructors names were Jarret Adams and Charles Rocco, Both second degree black belts, and I attended several seminars with one of the first students of Ed Parker, he was a Grandmaster, tenth degree who's name is Frank Mouhi i believe, it has been awhile, I have also attended XMA seminars which is more of sport karate with Mike Chataratabut.


That would be American Kenpo, not Kempo Karate. Kenpo Karate refers to Japanese Kenpo. I have taken a few classes in it though I did not like it and left. I will reserve my reasons as to not offend anyone unless someone asks.

So what rank are you? I have never seen an actual assistant instructor below nidan or it's equivalents.
I have never seen a head instructor under godan or it's equivalents.


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No problem at all

The style is Kempo Karate developed by Ed Parker, its based off of Okinawan Kenpo, but more rapid succession of attacks as well as holds influenced by jujitsu we had a few seminars so i know some basics in Reiki, and pressure points
I have been doing it for 11 years, My instructors names were Jarret Adams and Charles Rocco, Both second degree black belts, and I attended several seminars with one of the first students of Ed Parker, he was a Grandmaster, tenth degree who's name is Frank Mouhi i believe, it has been awhile, I have also attended XMA seminars which is more of sport karate with Mike Chataratabut.


That would be American Kenpo, not Kempo Karate. Kenpo Karate refers to Japanese Kenpo. I have taken a few classes in it though I did not like it and left. I will reserve my reasons as to not offend anyone unless someone asks.

So what rank are you? I have never seen an actual assistant instructor below nidan or it's equivalents.
I have never seen a head instructor under godan or it's equivalents.




I am a first degree black belt
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I am a first degree black belt


11 years and your still a shodan?

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I am a first degree black belt


11 years and your still a shodan?



It wasn't a straight 11 years i took off about two years in the middle, but last couple times they asked if i wanted to test i felt i wasn't ready
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