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when I can drive any I have a bit more independance, I'll do a martial art!! The powers that be wont let me right now >_< Its never to late to get started. And by that time I'll have a greater array of choices.

Hey Ice, which arts do you reccomend?
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when I can drive any I have a bit more independance, I'll do a martial art!! The powers that be wont let me right now >_< Its never to late to get started. And by that time I'll have a greater array of choices.

Hey Ice, which arts do you reccomend?


Yes it is never too late to start.

Well it really depends on what you want?

Fitness?
Discipline?
Something Spiritual?
Showmanship?
Self Defense?
Combat?

Tell me what you are looking for and I can point you in the right direction.

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I like the martial art, even karate despite the way i feel on taking it. I have very little to say on this topic.sorry
my mom recommeded I take karate. viewing this thread i'm kinda rethinking the idea


There are many different great arts.

It just depends on what you're looking for.

I will warn you that Karate is one of the biggest targets of the "McDojo" phenomenon aside Tae Kwon Do and Kung Fu.

I would never take a class with someone who says they teach "Kung Fu" because 1: It's Gong Fu, 2: It means hard work and is not a martial art in itself, and 3: It's non specific.

Furthermore I would not take a class that just claims to teach "Karate" without knowing what school of Karate it teaches.
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I like the martial art, even karate despite the way i feel on taking it. I have very little to say on this topic.sorry
my mom recommended I take karate. viewing this thread i'm kinda rethinking the idea


There are many different great arts.

It just depends on what you're looking for.

I will warn you that Karate is one of the biggest targets of the "McDojo" phenomenon aside Tae Kwon Do and Kung Fu.

I would never take a class with someone who says they teach "Kung Fu" because 1: It's Gong Fu, 2: It means hard work and is not a martial art in itself, and 3: It's non specific.

Furthermore I would not take a class that just claims to teach "Karate" without knowing what school of Karate it teaches.


hmm that makes a lot of sense.. plenty of sense.
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when I can drive any I have a bit more independance, I'll do a martial art!! The powers that be wont let me right now >_< Its never to late to get started. And by that time I'll have a greater array of choices.

Hey Ice, which arts do you reccomend?


Yes it is never too late to start.

Well it really depends on what you want?

Fitness?
Discipline?
Something Spiritual?
Showmanship?
Self Defense?
Combat?

Tell me what you are looking for and I can point you in the right direction.



Well fitness can be achieved without the martial art, and probably more efficiently otherwise. Showmanship is not really my concern for obvious reasons. I cannot perceive a moment in my life where I would be in heavy combat, and I take it that by combat, you mean where I'm actually causing lasting harm to the opponent. Still, there are times where the person opposite is trying to cause lasting harm on you so combat cannot be completely ruled out. So, for the most part, i guess I'm looking for Discipline, Something Spiritual, and Self Defence.
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when I can drive any I have a bit more independance, I'll do a martial art!! The powers that be wont let me right now >_< Its never to late to get started. And by that time I'll have a greater array of choices.

Hey Ice, which arts do you reccomend?


Yes it is never too late to start.

Well it really depends on what you want?

Fitness?
Discipline?
Something Spiritual?
Showmanship?
Self Defense?
Combat?

Tell me what you are looking for and I can point you in the right direction.



Well fitness can be achieved without the martial art, and probably more efficiently otherwise. Showmanship is not really my concern for obvious reasons. I cannot perceive a moment in my life where I would be in heavy combat, and I take it that by combat, you mean where I'm actually causing lasting harm to the opponent. Still, there are times where the person opposite is trying to cause lasting harm on you so combat cannot be completely ruled out. So, for the most part, i guess I'm looking for Discipline, Something Spiritual, and Self Defence.


Combat is fighting. It can be used for the purpose self defense and defending others or just beating someone up. That's where discipline and morals come in.

I train in combat which is at the root of martial arts.
Fitness, Showmanship, and Self Defense arts are fake.
The reason I listed Self Defense aside from Combat is two reaons.

1. To achieve self defense, one must be offensive. There are some arts like Aikido which target subduing an opponent without any harm [though there is quite a bit of pain in there] though it's effectiveness is questionable. It would take someone with considerable skill and experience to achieve such an ability and the same goal can be done, albeit a bit more aggressive with greater chance of injuring the opponent, by other arts. The word "Self Defense" employed as combat to preserve the self is an oxymoron and is both a fallacy and a contradiction.

2. If someone can readily defend themselves, they should be able to defend others. Therefore "Self Defense" alone is a selfish and cowardly practice.


Combat is a method. The better you know how to really injure someone, the easier it is to avoid such a thing.
Combat can achieve defense, but it in itself is not defense.
I believe this is what you'd want.

Combat, Discipline, and Enlightenment are what I train in.

To be good in combat one should have a quick yet defensive striking aimed at preserving yourself and keeping the opponent at bay and more importantly a strong offensive grappling aimed.

For me, I use Jujutsu with a conjunction of Kyokushin Karate. With Kyokushin I can hold my own from a distance and bide my time until I can get ahold of the opponent.

When I have gotten a hold of an opponent, it's all over.
I have never been bested in a test of grappling with Jujutsu. Though Jujutsu is actually a hybrid art and a complete art being that it holds striking, grappling, and atemi.
Atemi means percussion. Usually in the forms of strikes to vital points or nerve points.

Old arts provide discipline and strong understanding of principles which used to be used to attain enlightenment in combat. Mushin, Fudoshin, Shoshin, being the most notable.

You would like old arts. Jujutsu[Japanese, not Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu], Kalarippayattu, Taijiquan [Also called Tai Chi Chuan. Not to be confused with the lame Tai Chi, a complete joke rather than a real martial art], and Hung Gar.

Some arts which aren't very old that are very formidable are: Kyokushin Karate, Muay Thai, Systema, and Judo.
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Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


Macedonian wrote:

when I can drive any I have a bit more independance, I'll do a martial art!! The powers that be wont let me right now >_< Its never to late to get started. And by that time I'll have a greater array of choices.

Hey Ice, which arts do you reccomend?


Yes it is never too late to start.

Well it really depends on what you want?

Fitness?
Discipline?
Something Spiritual?
Showmanship?
Self Defense?
Combat?

Tell me what you are looking for and I can point you in the right direction.



Well fitness can be achieved without the martial art, and probably more efficiently otherwise. Showmanship is not really my concern for obvious reasons. I cannot perceive a moment in my life where I would be in heavy combat, and I take it that by combat, you mean where I'm actually causing lasting harm to the opponent. Still, there are times where the person opposite is trying to cause lasting harm on you so combat cannot be completely ruled out. So, for the most part, i guess I'm looking for Discipline, Something Spiritual, and Self Defence.


Combat is fighting. It can be used for the purpose self defense and defending others or just beating someone up. That's where discipline and morals come in.

I train in combat which is at the root of martial arts.
Fitness, Showmanship, and Self Defense arts are fake.
The reason I listed Self Defense aside from Combat is two reaons.

1. To achieve self defense, one must be offensive. There are some arts like Aikido which target subduing an opponent without any harm [though there is quite a bit of pain in there] though it's effectiveness is questionable. It would take someone with considerable skill and experience to achieve such an ability and the same goal can be done, albeit a bit more aggressive with greater chance of injuring the opponent, by other arts. The word "Self Defense" employed as combat to preserve the self is an oxymoron and is both a fallacy and a contradiction.

2. If someone can readily defend themselves, they should be able to defend others. Therefore "Self Defense" alone is a selfish and cowardly practice.


Combat is a method. The better you know how to really injure someone, the easier it is to avoid such a thing.
Combat can achieve defense, but it in itself is not defense.
I believe this is what you'd want.

Combat, Discipline, and Enlightenment are what I train in.

To be good in combat one should have a quick yet defensive striking aimed at preserving yourself and keeping the opponent at bay and more importantly a strong offensive grappling aimed.

For me, I use Jujutsu with a conjunction of Kyokushin Karate. With Kyokushin I can hold my own from a distance and bide my time until I can get ahold of the opponent.

When I have gotten a hold of an opponent, it's all over.
I have never been bested in a test of grappling with Jujutsu. Though Jujutsu is actually a hybrid art and a complete art being that it holds striking, grappling, and atemi.
Atemi means percussion. Usually in the forms of strikes to vital points or nerve points.

Old arts provide discipline and strong understanding of principles which used to be used to attain enlightenment in combat. Mushin, Fudoshin, Shoshin, being the most notable.

You would like old arts. Jujutsu[Japanese, not Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu], Kalarippayattu, Taijiquan [Also called Tai Chi Chuan. Not to be confused with the lame Tai Chi, a complete joke rather than a real martial art], and Hung Gar.

Some arts which aren't very old that are very formidable are: Kyokushin Karate, Muay Thai, Systema, and Judo.



Hmm. So your telling me to go into the older arts and you've given me a good variety to choose from. Thank you. See if I wanted to do a martial art now (my mom would never let me anyways), I'd be dumped into probably some, as you stated above, McDojo because a) its cheaper and b) its more readily available (my parents wouldn’t know the difference). As far as I'm concerned, its better not to learn something if you're not going to learn it properly. This is why I'm waiting. I just need a little more independence, because my mom is like a mom, she doesn’t want me to learn how to fight. I get babied, not like that is a particularly bad thing but I can do without it sometimes. Anyways, thanks Ice. I appreciate it.
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That would be wise.
Any time, bro!
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i thought martial arts
was a way of life and training you take
to like defend yourself or others if needed
and also that you should practice daily to help stabalize your body
or something like that


Well.. That brings me to another topic.

Self Defense
-A twisted and distorted version of martial arts which claims defense instead of offense. Ineffective at the least.
-Regurgitated and distorted techniques claiming to give the wielder a false sense of righteousness

Is that good enough?



HAHAHAH!!! I TOTALLY AGREE.
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Hmm. So your telling me to go into the older arts and you've given me a good variety to choose from. Thank you. See if I wanted to do a martial art now (my mom would never let me anyways), I'd be dumped into probably some, as you stated above, McDojo because a) its cheaper and b) its more readily available (my parents wouldn’t know the difference). As far as I'm concerned, its better not to learn something if you're not going to learn it properly. This is why I'm waiting. I just need a little more independence, because my mom is like a mom, she doesn’t want me to learn how to fight. I get babied, not like that is a particularly bad thing but I can do without it sometimes. Anyways, thanks Ice. I appreciate it.


Just to let you know somesime you can get smaller classes or personal lessons for less money than a big school. Also look for a dojo that might teach more than one art altoegeater sometimes thay have a single low monthly fee instead of a by the class fee. BUT BE WARNED SOME OF THESE PLACES MAY OR MAY NOT TAKE YOU IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THEIR CRITERIA IS, AND SOME HAVE AGE LIMITS. One near me requires you to be 18. With that said always look around and never join anything until you have visted at least 4 times and feel comfortable there.
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Macedonian wrote:
Hmm. So your telling me to go into the older arts and you've given me a good variety to choose from. Thank you. See if I wanted to do a martial art now (my mom would never let me anyways), I'd be dumped into probably some, as you stated above, McDojo because a) its cheaper and b) its more readily available (my parents wouldn’t know the difference). As far as I'm concerned, its better not to learn something if you're not going to learn it properly. This is why I'm waiting. I just need a little more independence, because my mom is like a mom, she doesn’t want me to learn how to fight. I get babied, not like that is a particularly bad thing but I can do without it sometimes. Anyways, thanks Ice. I appreciate it.


Just to let you know somesime you can get smaller classes or personal lessons for less money than a big school. Also look for a dojo that might teach more than one art altoegeater sometimes thay have a single low monthly fee instead of a by the class fee. BUT BE WARNED SOME OF THESE PLACES MAY OR MAY NOT TAKE YOU IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THEIR CRITERIA IS, AND SOME HAVE AGE LIMITS. One near me requires you to be 18. With that said always look around and never join anything until you have visted at least 4 times and feel comfortable there.


I cant wait but I'm probably going to have to drive an hour to get to any decent schools >_<

Thank you for your advice ^_^
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I love martial arts...but I dunno if I ever have the discipline to train very hard & what's more I am pretty clumsy by nature lol. I sometimes relate martial arts to dance. They both have fluid movements, flexibility, discipline, graceful etc. I would probably would like to pick up dance mix with some martial arts...hmmm that will be interesting.
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I might add that a bad school will take anyone. The stricter the application process the more reputable the school. Though I wouldn't base a decision on that alone. A lot of the traditional schools teach many arts.
For exampled, when I studied with David Lowry's group, Yagyu Shinkage ryu encompases Kenjutsu, Shurikenjutsu, Jujutsu, and Jojutsu.

In many countries it is illegal to teach weapon arts [especially swordsmanship] and even many times more dangerous arts such as jujutsu to those below the age of consent. For America it is 18.

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I love martial arts...but I dunno if I ever have the discipline to train very hard & what's more I am pretty clumsy by nature lol. I sometimes relate martial arts to dance. They both have fluid movements, flexibility, discipline, graceful etc. I would probably would like to pick up dance mix with some martial arts...hmmm that will be interesting.


That's actually a very astute observation.
Though the martial arts which are dance-like in technique and application often fall ineffective in combat. It just depends on what you are looking for.

When I was younger I was a bit clumsy as well. Through martial arts I learned balance and grace.

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"The field of martial arts is particularly rife with flamboyant swordsmanship, with commercial popularization and profiteering on the part of both those who teach the science and those who study it. The result of this must be, as someone said, that 'amateuristic martial arts are a source of serious wounds."
Miyamoto Musashi (1584?-1645)

"A man who has thoroughly mastered the art does not use the sword, and the opponent kills himself; when a man uses the sword, he makes it serve to give life to others. When killing is the order, it kills; when giving life is the order, it gives life. While killing there is no thought of killing, while giving life there is no thought of giving life; for in the killing or in the giving life, no Self is asserted. The man does not see 'this' or 'that'; he makes no discrimination and yet knows well what is what. He walks on water as if it were earth; he walks on the earth as if it were water. One who has attained this freedom cannot be interfered with by anybody on earth. He stands absolutely by himself."
Takuan

These are some of the things my Grandfather made me learn when I was little, it was apart of my training I thought some might like.

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