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Eros wrote:
Here is something to ponder....Is it morally defensible to steal from the rich and give to the poor?


Depending on the situation, I think that it is. It also depends on what sort of definition you have for "theft".

Recently, my roommate found an iPod in the middle of the street. He picked it up and is using it, now. Is that theft?

It turns out that the person who owned the iPod was a yuppie from from suburbs of Chicago. We could tell because they had pictures of him moving from his house into his dorm. His garage could fit 6 cars, his house was like a mansion, he had an acre of perfectly trimmed front yard (most likely by hired help, like what I used to do for a job).

Does this person, to me, deserve to get his iPod back? No, daddy can buy a new one. If he missed it so much, maybe he would've noticed that it fell onto the sidewalk. Maybe he should have been listening to it, so he could've known it fell out of his pocket.

But is finding something on the street and not returning it considered theft? I don't necessarily view it has cut-and-dry theft. The person was careless. Welcome to reality; shit gets taken if it is left.
Posted 3/4/07

WrathS wrote:


Eros wrote:
Here is something to ponder....Is it morally defensible to steal from the rich and give to the poor?


Depending on the situation, I think that it is. It also depends on what sort of definition you have for "theft".

Recently, my roommate found an iPod in the middle of the street. He picked it up and is using it, now. Is that theft?

It turns out that the person who owned the iPod was a yuppie from from suburbs of Chicago. We could tell because they had pictures of him moving from his house into his dorm. His garage could fit 6 cars, his house was like a mansion, he had an acre of perfectly trimmed front yard (most likely by hired help, like what I used to do for a job).

Does this person, to me, deserve to get his iPod back? No, daddy can buy a new one. If he missed it so much, maybe he would've noticed that it fell onto the sidewalk. Maybe he should have been listening to it, so he could've known it fell out of his pocket.

But is finding something on the street and not returning it considered theft? I don't necessarily view it has cut-and-dry theft. The person was careless. Welcome to reality; shit gets taken if it is left.



i agree with all of this..except if i knew who the person was i would probabaly give it back to them (although i dont know if you knew how to contact that person or not soo if not then i guess keeping it wasnt a big issue)

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looks like these question is same as the doing of robin hood..once a thief always be a thief..even if you will spend it in good it will remain as stealing..
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If you know who is rightfully belongs to and keep it anyway, then yeah, its stealing. Its just a round about way of stealing - keeping something that isnt yours accomplishes the same goal.

You just have to not make excuses to yourself and accept that your doing it. Doing anything else just confuses you moraly. Ling to yourself makes you feel good but makes your heart confused - its not like you dont know its wrong.

Justifyable, definatly. Stealing. Also definatly. Just gotta pucker up and decide weather or not to acknowledge it and not give a damn.
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LOL lately I also came across that issue too.

I was walking towards my car at a walmart parking lot when I saw a 20 dollar bill. I debated about picking it up. but all of a sudden I just bent down and grabbed it. I felt like everyone was watching me but you know how it goes, you felt guilty about it but you don't know who it belongs to. The next day I spent it. does that mean I am thief? I mean I felt guilty for picking it up but I was glad that i was lucky enough to see it too. . .LOL I don't know. . .if I saw who dropped it I probably give it back.
Posted 3/4/07
do you believe in free will?
do you believe in destiny?
if you believe in both, how can they coexist?
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maybe no matter what you decide upon or do, it ultimately becomes ur destiny?

I dunno if this thing works but I've been thinking...

If nothing is impossible, it's impossible to discover something impossible.

If nothing is impossible, is it possible to find something impossible?


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Destiny refers to the idea that everything is already decided, and will be played out according to that. What Kurropt is saying is history, not destiny. What you've decided to do is your history, not your destiny.

I believe in free will, not fate or destiny. For destiny to exist, wouldn't there have to be some sort of point? I guess the cop out argument to that is that, "Wraths, we just don't understand the point!"

Maybe destiny doesn't have to have a point. But I would like to point out that I see lots of evidence every day for free will (random occurrences, decisions I make) that contradict the idea of fate. Fate, I think, is just a magical entity people conjure up to feel good about about how things happen, as opposed to doing something about it.



Also, what is the deal with all the times you can take things out of people's homes in RPGs, yet you are still considered "good" aligned?
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Eros wrote:
Here is something to ponder....Is it morally defensible to steal from the rich and give to the poor?


....no one in their right mind would do anything of the sort.

robin hood didn't steal from the rich, he stole from the villains who where ripping the villagers off. sure he redistributed the money to people who where poor, but more precisely, he gave it back to the people who where wronged.
he did his thing not for the reasons of rich/poor, he did them out of justice which has no relevance to how rich/poor they are.

the answer to the question is an outright no

perhaps what should really be asked is if we should steal from greedy/selfish ppl with money and give it to those who are disadvantaged?

this has been explored alot by marvel.
personally i'd say yes to that, the same way teachers would confiscate the things a school yard bully stole and give the things back.
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Question: Can anything and everything be considered a form of art?
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yes. because anything is possible

and because you and i are drinking primordial soup
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here is one and since I'm a philosphy miner in college/nerd not just one answer will satisfy my lust for truth so here is an old one that Socrates asked a long time ago

What is your definition of Justice?
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My definition of JUSTICE is:Fairness upon those who deserves it

What is fate? (In your own opinion)

Do you believe in luck? Or is it ficticious?
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fate-is a path we are forced to walk down no matter how hard we try to get off we will always walk it, and if reincarnation is true the in those lives we will only walk the path again.
Luck...honestly I think everything happens for a reason, I never really dwelled upon that one
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Posted 3/5/07

cronosilver wrote:

fate-is a path we are forced to walk down no matter how hard we try to get off we will always walk it, and if reincarnation is true the in those lives we will only walk the path again.
Luck...honestly I think everything happens for a reason, I never really dwelled upon that one


I like ur definition of luck
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